Well this is my feelings and not so humble opinion on all of these nice
topics, issues and metaissues. Ok, for one I think and feel this is the
right place to discuss these broad things. I mean especially such issues as
"if Steve makes a page that looks Babe-O-Rama pix to him, with with his
tastes
At 09:25 AM 10/21/99 +0800, Deidre L. Calarco wrote:
>> Is this a new idea? You get the impression because it's a fact.
>> Men are built this way, it's the whole nature thing.
>
>Actually, I've noticed that some men who grew up somewhat isolated from
>mainstream culture aren't that way. For inst
At 01:39 PM 10/21/99 -0500, you wrote:
>Ingrid and AE:
>
>Very well-spoken.
>To me, the idea of changing your "nick" to stop sexist comments is bull.
>Right on sistahs!
>
>Naomi
>
>
(took some good stuff out sigh:)
I agree why hide, why have to have no fun, no courage and even worse a dull
na
Rikki McGinty wrote:
> it's not meant as a joke, but for crying out loud, look at the source.
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On
> > Behalf Of Blackjax
> > Sent: Thursday, October 21, 1999 5:48 PM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: [iss
Brendan/Coolian wrote:
> > My dad gave me some advice once on how to handle people that
> >treated me differently because of who I was,"Screw 'em." If you
>
> WaitI think I feel somethingyes...It's a smile.
>
> Good post. More toughness instead of whininess.
>
> Brendan
>
> **
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I've goofed twice in this thread, for which I apologise.
>
> 1. I used 'older, wiser' - I intended 'more mature, wiser' in the sense of
> 'possessed of a greater maturity level'. Apology.
>
> 2. I was unclear with 'primarily interested in sex (or mate location)'. No,
Nicole Zimmerman wrote:
> > I find that to be a rather sexist remark!
> >
> > *smile*
> > God, I can't stand people who just want to pretend they're as PC as
> > possible. We need more nekkid men to even things up. No problem here.
>
> neither theme has nekkid anything...
>
> the keanu theme
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Steve Kudlak wrote:
> >
> > Brendan/Coolian wrote:
> >
> > > > My dad gave me some advice once on how to handle people that
> > > >treated me differently because of who I was,"Screw 'em." If you
> &
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Steve Kudlak wrote:
> > I wrote:
> > > 2. I was unclear with 'primarily interested in sex (or mate location)'. No,
> > > I was not saying that are the same activity, but they are the two primary
> > > goals of people
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Brendan said:
> I was "in" a quilting circle with an uncle
>once...
Oh please. This reminds me of the time
I had one of my high school students
tell me that he missed his math test
because he was nursing a friend through
the bubonic plague. ;-)
[EMAIL PRO
Kelly Lynn Martin wrote:
> On Fri, 22 Oct 1999 09:55:31 -0400, "Blackjax" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
>
> >People keep saying that as if I should recognize the name or
> >something. Could someone explain because I don't.
>
> Weekly World News is a major supermarket tabloid. The kind that run
>
Cat wrote:
> >
> > I'm really starting to wonder if people are just being WAY too thin
> > skinned.
> >
> > Do any of you honestly believe that these people (be they men OR women)
> > are putting babes in their screenshots in order to alienate the women in
> > the linux community? Do you believ
Jernej Zajc wrote:
(stuff removed)
> And BTW, if you don't let be hurt you cannot be. Admittedly
> this is not easy but it is possible. This also is only a
> suggestion, but you could try it before flaming me back
> again for it not being an option for you.
>
> Nejc
>
> --
> ''Share and Enjoy.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Cat said:
> >I would personally find it more important for men to object to the
> sexism
> >that takes place out of women's earshot. I can defend myself, true,
> >and I would prefer to do so rather than have some guy jump in and do it
>
> >for me (in most cases). Th
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Taylor wrote:
>
> > Admit it: men aren't the only ones who objectify. Almost every
> > woman I know (myself included) is more than willing to talk about
> > the finer points of Mel G.'s rear, or movies where you get the
> > absolute best exposure of David D.'s hiney.
TeknoDragon wrote:
> On Sat, 23 Oct 1999, Brendan/Coolian wrote:
>
> > >Perhaps. But after you hear "women can't do xx" (where xx is usually
> >
> >
> > This is called "transference". Who the hell has said anything about women
> > not being able to do things? We're talking about themes, and s
J B wrote:
> Frankly, I find talk about the quality of some dude's butt just as
> offensive as the talk about some woman's breasts. I don't bother. I might
> say someone is cute or good-looking, but in most cases I think the PERSON
> is cute. Their body really isn't a primary concern for me.
>
TeknoDragon wrote:
> On Sun, 24 Oct 1999, Kristina wrote:
>
> > butt. Boobs and butt don't really last all that long. A friendly smile,
> > sense of humor, intelligence, loyalty, and respect do, but when we hear
> > people judged on a purely physical basis, it's like nothing else matters.
> >
Rikki McGinty wrote:
oh my god. i just read Rob's ridiculous "article"
and am truly nauseous.
http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=99/10/23/202252&mode=thread
it is the most condescending, egomaniacal, offensive, ignorant piece
of crap
i've seen in a lng time. Apparently, attractive women are
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Rikki McGinty wrote:
>
> oh my god. i just read Rob's ridiculous "article" and am truly nauseous.
> http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=99/10/23/202252&mode=thread
> I don't know if I can even go to slashdot anymore.
Ok. Is this another example of things-that-turn-peopl
srl wrote:
Okay, Slashdot's getting lower and lower on my personal
scale every day.
http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=99/10/23/202252&mode=flat
A brief quote:
-
Don't Waste Your Time on Geek Girls
Here you are, an obsessed coder and a
curious wrote:
> Greetings,
>
> Hello, my name is curious... this wonderful mailinglist was
> introduced to me by Vinnie Surmone... so if there any referal bonuses
> please aply them accordingly.
>
> Early observations... there seems to be alot of knee jerking on
> here.. If som
((Curious send some interesting stuff I took out)
Steve Kudlak promises:
To proofread before sending, and not use personal slang as much. Like guess
stations (as in I guess it's open the lights are on) for gas stations and repair
shops.
ANd to be a little less sloppy:).
Have Fun,
Sends
Yeah "responsible adults" is kind of an irritating phrase. It is often followed by a
whole set of
truisms that kind of irk. I am a messy house keeper and I don't mind it. If it means
living alone I
will. If I had the wherewithal and needed it to have a clean house, I'd probably hire
someone at
J B wrote:
> But does it seem overblown when somebody is freaked out about something and
> articulates it clearly and why, and wonders: "Well do we want this kind of
> atmosphere for this thing?" Is that a valid question, yeah it is. Should we
> talk about without shouting...Well at least I th
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Deirdre Saoirse wrote:
> >
> > I have this sort of dual problem: I never understood depressed people
> > until my husband died. And then I understood completely. But it's hard for
> > me to relate to that place now. But for a while I really did understand. I
> > took
Blackjax wrote:
> -Original Message-
> From: Amanda Knox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Wednesday, October 27, 1999 10:50 AM
> Subject: Re: [issues] Depression & geeks
>
> >You know what's strange? (but maybe it's not so strange, really) I find t
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> On Wed, 27 Oct 1999, Rikki McGinty wrote:
>
> > It sounds to me like people tried one kind of antidepressants and then gave
> > up? Just because Prozac doesn't work doesn't mean antidepressants don't work
> > or always have horrid side effects. There are a big variety
Blackjax wrote:
> -Original Message-
> From: J B <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Friday, October 29, 1999 3:50 PM
> Subject: Re: [issues] the adult linux project... (meep)
>
> >(I'm not aware of any men who are
> >concerned about men being tre
"Mary P. Wood" wrote:
> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> Hash: SHA1
>
> I'd have to agree with the idea of thinking people being a little more
>
> prone to depression ... how does the saying go? "Ignorance is Bliss."
>
> Simple St. John's Wort is my current mood evener of choice. I've
> d
Kelly Lynn Martin wrote:
> On Fri, 29 Oct 1999 12:28:51 -0700 (PDT), curious <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
>
> >This is a womans issue based on the fact that there are people who
> >belive that such applications degrade women (I'm not aware of any men
> >who are concerned about men being treated po
Kelly Lynn Martin wrote:
> On Sat, 30 Oct 1999 00:20:45 -0400, Steve Kudlak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
>
> >Without teyting to be mean. Lawyer? Uh, Why? ZPlease explain it is
> >almost impossible to legislate, legalisze or do such things
> >expecially if we a
Kelly Lynn Martin wrote:
> On Sat, 30 Oct 1999 06:18:38 GMT, "J B" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
>
> >It is rather sad that we have become so dependent on artificial
> >cures, when the natural (ie-herbal) way is as effective, if not more
> >so, in some or most cases.the indiginous tribes had it
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> The problem with herbal cures is that no one is regulating the
> manufacturers for standards in dosage and purity, but the manufacturers
> themselves. Tablets of St. John's Wort can vary in effectiveness between
> brands and batchs, while 20mg of prozac will always ha
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> curious wrote:
> >
> > This is a womans issue based on the fact that there are people who belive
> > that such applications degrade women (I'm not aware of any men who are
> > concerned about men being treated possibly as sex objects).
>
> I think it's a very responsi
Steve Kudlak wrote::
Well Corex... I am NOT into the biker lifestytle...whoops it's morning...
I hate morning. I think depression is an "issue" as a lot of us have quit jobs
over it, someone of us have been fired. Sent to silly "buck up" councilors..."
etc.
Bu
Deirdre Saoirse wrote:
> On Sat, 30 Oct 1999, Steve Kudlak wrote:
>
> > I can understand it is a difficult issue. But withopugt trying to flame, it
> > seems like fear mongering. No me if I get a linux up I might put up say
> > pictures of women who hasd "too many
Deirdre Saoirse wrote:
> On Sat, 30 Oct 1999, Steve Kudlak wrote:
>
> > Well it certainly freaked out many of the standard girlie pix types
> > with Miss Boonm-Boom DDD in her bikini. It was funny. Hilarious. I would
> > like to see themes with all types of pe
Deirdre Saoirse wrote:
> On Sat, 30 Oct 1999, Steve Kudlak wrote:
>
> > Deirdre Saoirse wrote:
> > > Ya know Steve, you seem to be missing the overall point. :)
> >
> > Well I take that as a joke. I mean we are more than out physical looks.
> > Bec
Deirdre Saoirse wrote:
> On Sat, 30 Oct 1999, Steve Kudlak wrote:
>
> > Deirdre Saoirse wrote:
> > > Ya know Steve, you seem to be missing the overall point. :)
> >
> > Well I take that as a joke. I mean we are more than out physical looks.
> > Bec
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Steve Kudlak wrote:
>
> > P.S>. It is a geek issue we dress unlik others. Why do I have to make people in
> > personell happy, and why should I care...other than just raw power, and what is
> > difference between she got hired for her lo
Deirdre Saoirse wrote:
> On Sun, 31 Oct 1999, Steve Kudlak wrote:
>
> > But U have tons of John Malloy (dress for success) telling me how to
> > dress. Beyond common decency boradly considered. I have been upbraided
> > in tnetervies and walked out because of this.
BEING INTENSELY DIFFERENT IS THE THING TO DO...
It really seems the only way real progress is made. Sometimes mistakes are made
that way.
I try underastand all the obejctification stuff sometimes I get it. Sometimss
no. I will try to be kind but sometimes I miss points that others see that are
Deirdre Saoirse wrote:
>
>
> You know, if you're not in San Francisco, perhaps you should be. There is
> a tolerance here for differentness that I haven't seen elsewhere.
>
> --
> _Deirdre * http://www.linuxcabal.net * http://www.deirdre.net
> "Mars has been a tough target" -- Peter G.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Deirdre Saoirse wrote:
> > Steve Kudlak wrote:
> >
> > There are a lot of places where differentness *isn't* tolerated and I
> > suspect that if you just don't "fit in" that would be uncomfortable. Some
> > area
Steve Kudlak wrote:
> Deirdre Saoirse wrote:
>
> > On Sun, 31 Oct 1999, Steve Kudlak wrote:
> >
> > > But U have tons of John Malloy (dress for success) telling me how to
> > > dress. Beyond common decency boradly considered. I have been upbraided
> >
Deirdre Saoirse wrote:
> On Mon, 1 Nov 1999, Steve Kudlak wrote:
>
> > Well let's see, my emotional,. really got the best of me,
>
> Steve, this list isn't about YOUR alienation, no matter how real it may
> be.
>
> It's about OU
Kelly Lynn Martin wrote:
> On Sun, 31 Oct 1999 21:29:17 -0800 (PST), Deirdre Saoirse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
>
> >Steve, this list isn't about YOUR alienation, no matter how real it
> >may be.
>
> >It's about OUR alienation.
>
> Well, to an extent he's experiencing a lesser alienation female
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Steve Kudlak wrote:
>
> > This is a touchy issue, because if one woman said: "Don't do that", it might
> > actually stop things. Or something like" Or it's not worth fight over"
> > Instead they back out of th
Deirdre Saoirse wrote:
> On Mon, 1 Nov 1999 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
(Stuff about deference)
I tend to defer to Ellen ( as friend who is a mathematician) on math. She tends to
defer to me on biology and biiochemistry). Because of our areas of expertise. My
wonderment is why certain things
Nicole Zimmerman wrote:
> > > There was a great documentary on the TV/TS lifestyle on the Discovery
> > > channel (it just ended and I am sure it will be repeated).
> >
> > I'm going to have to make a point of watching it.
>
> According to my http://www.tvguide.com/listings it will be repeated
Deirdre Saoirse wrote:
> On Mon, 1 Nov 1999, Steve Kudlak wrote:
>
> > Well let's see, my emotional,. really got the best of me,
>
> Steve, this list isn't about YOUR alienation, no matter how real it may
> be.
>
> It's about OU
Deirdre Saoirse wrote:
> BTW, I want to say that I'm not singling out Chris so much with my last
> post as it is an expression of frustration with several of the guys here
> that I put into one post. You might say that my tolerance snapped with
> Steve.
>
> --
> _Deirdre * http://www.linuxc
Deirdre Saoirse wrote:
> (lots of nics stuff.FOLKS EXCUSE MY SHITTY WEEK PLEASE)
> (It should not have SPREAD TO OTHERS...IT WAS MY FAULT...)
>
> 2) I want a broader acceptance of the AAUP definition of sexual
> harassment. By this, I mean that if there is a) a power differential; b) a
> s
"Deidre L. Calarco" wrote:
> >> I found out that I, with 3% of the people who took the test, had a
> > moderate tendancy to
> >> associate females with science. Not *too* big a surprise since I've been
> >> good and brainwashed with female-friendly science programs, although it'd be
> >> nice
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Nico Hailey wrote:
> >
> > So my question is more or less, Does
> > the origin (ie, actually *ism, cluelessness, trolling, etc) of the
> > *ist things which are said matter?
> >
> > I mean the effect on ppl seems the same (discomfort, getting defensive,
> > going int
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> srl wrote:
>
> > Talking about gender and sex as non-binary conditions seems useful to
> > me--- that's why i suggest this. I think that a lot of the problems geeks
> > face could be talked about in terms of gender.
> >
> > For example: Male geeks often face pressure
Nicole Zimmerman wrote:
> > There are all my opinions Steve K=Kudlaks chromexa@mry )@) sistrinution without
> > Comoros; use emvpitrsaged...
> > Hey prep feral witty Mr. do rot.
> >
> > Jab FUn,
>
> What language IS this? :o)
>
> -nicole
>
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linuxch
Steve Kudlak wrote:
> Nicole Zimmerman wrote:
>
> > > There are all my opinions Steve K=Kudlaks chromexa@mry )@) sistrinution without
> > > Comoros; use emvpitrsaged...
> > > Hey prep feral witty Mr. do rot.
> > >
> > > Jab FUn,
J B wrote:
> >I'm new to this list, and have been lurking for a week or so. This >is my
> >first post, though. I'm not a native English speaker (I'm a >Swedish
> >speaking Finn, just like Linus :-) so please forgive me if I >abuse your
> >language ;-)
>
> Welcome! Don't worry about abusing the
Kelly Lynn Martin wrote:
> On Thu, 04 Nov 1999 10:07:27 -0500, Steve Kudlak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
>
> >In fact I am one of the sloppiest English writers known Especially
> >when I am tired. SPell corrector what's that? So have fun and
> >enjoy. Even if i
Cat wrote:
> Maybe this should move to grrltalk? It seems kind of far afield from
> 'issues of women in Linux' to me.
>
> _Cat
z(Syuff userul clippedd)
>
>
I feel pretty much like it is as dead issue. I pretty much give up.It is just too
depressing and nothing much has been solved.. It seem
Steve Kudlak wrote:
> Cat wrote:
>
> > Maybe this should move to grrltalk? It seems kind of far afield from
> > 'issues of women in Linux' to me.
> >
> > _Cat
>
> z(Syuff userul clippedd)
>
> >
> >
>
> I
I agree, part of i
Dakota Surmonde wrote:
> On Fri, 5 Nov 1999, J B wrote:
>
> > dish the graveyard off on Miranda because she is a woman, I think it is
>
> in part -- but pitr specifically says 'she is evil and belongs to the
> night' (now if memory serves, he says the same thing when he meets her,
> because she
Ian Hall-Beyer wrote:
> On Thu, 4 Nov 1999 20:49:24 -0800 (PST), curious wrote:
>
> >(btw the thing that confuses me the most about the cartoon is they don't
> >seem to want to work a graveyard shift.. but I digress :) )
>
> That part puzzled me as well - Most geeks I know would jump at the
> o
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