J B wrote:
> But does it seem overblown when somebody is freaked out about something and
> articulates it clearly and why, and wonders: "Well do we want this kind of
> atmosphere for this thing?" Is that a valid question, yeah it is. Should we
> talk about without shouting...Well at least I think so. Am I bemused how
> this is supposed to destroy civilization? To quote a famous robot: "Does Not
> Compute! Does Not Compute!"
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> What I mean when I say it will destroy the American society is that most of
> the children of today are being raised to expect the they have the right to
> always feel good about everything that they do. As we all know, this is not
> reality...I mean, in the RealWorld (tm), if you lose a $30Million contract,
> is your boss going to come into your offcie and say..."That is okay....as
> loang as you feel good about it." HELL NO....the boss is going to comein
> and say...."YOUR FIRED..." A prime example is the new spelling and the new
> math...as long as the students feel gud about thimselfz thin it iz ok to
> spel "immproperly," and 1+1=3....
>
> What we are raising here is a group of spineless, snivelers who feel that
> the world needs to be handed to them on a plate...not the great
> old-fashioned American work ethic of "work hard and you can accomplish
> anything."
>
> Nuff Sed...
>
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Well I think it is kind of silly to make this argument. But discussing it takes
us far afield from linux. I mean I have been in "working class town", from
whence I went to West Coast Techiedom, and back for an extended visit to
"working class town with dying industries". I went to a Catholic High School and
it was tracked. The bottom two tracks for a long time never took the SAT etc.
They were sent to shop, any many of them can't really do anything beyond the
simplest math. My had to go to work at 14 aunts, still ask me about anything
hairy or complicated, and I have taught them how to use some techno-gadgets,
with relative ease. But there is a lot of things they just don't know.
Anyway this is not linux, other than I can say that almost all programmers and
system types I know do quote "work hard" in fact are considered "obsessive" by
many... Lazy they aren't, their ideas about work are kind of broad, and not
the "old world" compartmentalized factory, where one person does one task and
that is it. In fact all geeks I know seem to work hard, be generally bright and
creative.
So it seems to me things HAVE IMPROVED since high school.
I can't see any of this "sniveling..." stuff. I mean there have been layabouts
for a long time and sometimes even slackers come up with great ideas, and even
had them implemented. And though the inventor of perl claims to be he isn't....
But anyway that's my thoughts, and I don't feel like inflicting anyone with
much more on this. I don't want to see discussions quashed over what I see are
the usual "the world is going to hell in a hand basket..." or someone's feeling
that they have the golden rules given by nature, when it is cobbled to together
and rather questionably biology and genetics.
So I will shut up on this topic. It is if anyone is really energetic to discuss
it, well then email me. Unless a bunch people say "we want to talk about
imaginative biology" and "the Dumbing of America..."
Have Fun,
Sends Steve
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