TeknoDragon wrote:

> On Sun, 24 Oct 1999, Kristina wrote:
>
> > butt.  Boobs and butt don't really last all that long.  A friendly smile,
> > sense of humor, intelligence, loyalty, and respect do, but when we hear
> > people judged on a purely physical basis, it's like nothing else matters.
> > "No boobs, no butt, no service. Next please."
>
> I agree, but where do these images come from?
>
> I personally think they are cultural hangovers of a victorian moral
> imperative.
>
> The idea of viriginity, for instance, is of apparent utmost importance to
> a great portion of our cultural bretheren (usually males). The idea that
> some sort of innocence is a heavy condition on our partner's desirability
> stems from the emphasis of virginity (at least from a male
> perspective). So innocence and thus youthfulness is an apparent
> prerequisite (see the latest slashdot women's issue: how geek guys get
> non-geek girls), you don't look for a "woman" as your partner, you look
> for a "girl".
>
> Is it a wonder that we've got so many stinking pedophiles in the
> US? Waifish models and toothpick superstars that try to look like they're
> 12 don't really give me any right sense of an equal, loving, and
> supportive partner. They just tell me who I should want to sleep
> with.
>
> I think that physicallity is still a part of finding your right
> partner. For instance sex drive and body types might help if they match
> (it works out that way for me at least). On the other hand it's the
> embracement of some ultra-stringent standards that has screwed over US
> culture. 70's yuppies and the "jet-set" etc. put even more stringent
> requirements on "the american dream", which itself may be a bit
> excessive. So the idea of American culture being a culture excess really
> makes sense to me, and deffinatley is Not a Good Thing.
>
> -mekD
>
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This seems like silly humour to me. I would to see the original articles, if
someone is going to present a critique. I don't know....I mean some things seem
over done like, conflict. SO I am reluctant to ask when people say "pedophilia"
do they sleeping with(having as lover) a 17 year old, a 17 years old female
human 17 year old female human  17 year old guy  human, 17 if you are more than
10 years older than them etc. But this is hardly related to linux, other than
those administrative questions of "If I am an administrator  and I see such and
such a thing going down, should I call in the authorities?".

The atmosphere thing is important. As I muttered about before my initial
contact with UNIX and the people who were afficiandos of it, was not very
postive. It took a friend to show me a few things and a few books, and lots of
messing around to make me comfortable with it. And people could say, and did
say, especially since I am guy: "Oh Steve you are too thin skinned..."  or
"That Steve is too thin skinned, and easy to upset...."  I was a guy I was just
supposed to "take it and not whine..." It took a lot of effort to hack my way
thru it. It was /.**3 (Slash Dot Cubed!) ...

I would prefer that this not become a desididerata for linux. That's what
bothers me. If someone wants to tell me what bothers them I will listen. I mean
it is hard to tell what will makes people irritated, and what will make people
comfortable. And I know the Microsoft people are far more "PC" than anyone I
found in the linux community.

It is easy to understand how a friend and his girlfriend snuck into hotel gyms
for fun. They looked like the idealized couple people wanted in a hotel, or
closer to it than I would look.

My beloved is big and strong. I get tired of people commenting like: "Well Your
Girlfriend is probably stronger than you...."  This is hardly about linux
too...But if someone does something outside of expected roles do we jump on
them?  The world is slowly luckily getting cured of that. I mean if someone
said: "Your Girlfriend is a Computer Programmer?" The answer even on Slash Dot
would be "SO??" As a friend used to say as backhand compliment: "Nerds Learn!"
Along with, well if you present them with numbers, stastistics and analyses...I
just giggled at that one.  Even though it is true.

Have Fun,
Sends Steve



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