getting to see my postal address.
Spam is the LEAST of the potential problems
And if I don't publicise that for me, why would I want to do that to my
friends?
Jenn V.
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"Do you ever wonder if there's a whole section of geek culture
you miss out
ff the top of my head: Marie Curie. Ada Lovelace.
And Athena was female.
Jenn V.
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s an equal-opportunity place, go for it.
It's almost embarassing that I /didn't/ get whistled. :)
Sometimes, you get to work in a place where everyone's mature.
Jenn V.
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7;faq.sgml',
and is in raw docbook format. Read around the tags. :)
I want to get a bit more done before I do an actual release.
Help is appreciated - email me your sourceforge name and I'll include
you in the dev team. :)
Jenn V.
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"Do you ever wonder if there's a
nism and quotas. And it seems to be extremely difficult to get them
to believe that we don't. Sigh.
1.4. 'Just live with it'
This ('just live with it') is a common response to complaints about
teasing, seduction attempts and other such crud in the workplace.
Now, I (Jenn)
range of national emergencies.
Armies can - often don't, but can - provide temporary housing, food
and medical care for cities and towns devastated by natural disasters.
Emergency services personnel and charities can do the same, but the
redundancy is rather comforting.
YMMV.
Jenn
heir underlying automatic assumption was that
_they_ would be the ones who solved technical hassles in their lives.
How _WONDERFUL_! I was walking on clouds all day. :)
Jenn V.
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"Do you ever wonder if there's a whole section of geek culture
you miss out on by being a
doing half the
> housework and childcare and aren't referred to as babysitting their
> own kids when the mom is out and take days off of work because their
> kids are sick. Then maybe they will deserve to have custody.
Start lobbying.
Ok, not all men - but some. My brother, for instan
anger them and make them more resistant to your words.
Accusations at all, or statements which can be taken as accusations,
don't help. Of course, I'm guilty of that too. :) It's the easy way
to get your point said.
Of course, it doesn't get your poin
and that I don't hug or otherwise touch males as often as I do
females.
Unconscious, unaware sexism. Hmm.
> Hey, I'm a Klingon Diplomacy Academy graduate. It comes in more useful
> than you might think.
Heh. :)
I should use Klingon diplomacy more often than I do.
Jenn V.
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eople who think she should 'look after her husband' - and she might
still be low-status.
Of course, males are no better off. :/
Jenn V.
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you miss out on by being a geek?&
e
was female, ergo she was SUPPOSED to want them.. when she's not all that
maternal and her partner would be much, MUCH better with the kids, and
they with him.
Lesigh.
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you miss out
or
solve it.
For an everyday physical example, if my 2-year-old nephew splashes
peanut butter all over the room, does it have to wait till he's grown
up some and can mop the floor himself?
Ludicrous. And just about /any/ problem can be at least partially
resolved by anyone who's affect
ring with 'puters in the 50's and 60's.
There'll be some in your community. And she was fascinating to listen
to.
And she was very interested. Wanted to know how we got from the PDP-11
series to PCs.
Jenn V.
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or from work at 9pm, and the company
doesn't seem to care, I'm going to take my sysadminning skills to a
company
which does.
Sometimes it's not 'benefits'. It's simple safety.
Jenn V.
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Release 1.0 of the issues faq!
Comments and discussion welcome.. this is /our/ FAQ.
Jenn V.
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you miss out on by being a geek?" - Dancer.
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ttle to
> me.
According to a Myer catalogue: size 10 is 68-72 cm underbust, 12
73-77cm, 14 78-82, 16 83-87, 18 88-92, 20 93-97, 22 98-102, 24 103-107,
26 109-112.
DON'T take this as gospel - Myer's interpretation of sizes may be
different from bodywise'. Send them your a
buyer or do nasty things to
> their sizing would also be good.
If I knew of such places, I wouldn't have just bought a sewing machine.
(Or maybe I would have...)
Anyone want to volunteer for such a FAQ-section? :)
Jenn V.
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"Do you ever wonder if there's a
have clothes that last for years.
Or am I missing some brilliant idea. Anyone got a brilliant idea for me?
Jenn V.
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you miss out on by being a geek?" - Dancer.
[EMAIL PRO
"a.eva yee" wrote:
> Jenn V wrote:
> >... and what if you're a large build, and you wear pants out in the
> >crotch (or more precisely, upper thigh) in about a year?
> >Or am I missing some brilliant idea. Anyone got a brilliant idea for me?
> if it fi
Because the list has been s quiet, here's a repost of the
issues FAQ.
Hopefully something will spur discussion.
Jenn V.
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t a third, you're dominating
discussion - but there's others talking.
Also watch to see if something you say ends the discussion. As they say,
once is the thing itself. Twice is coincidence, three times is
conspiracy. Or, in this case, a sign that you're dominating discussion
i
that's why it seems to be guys answering.
Can anyone explain to me why I do that?
Jenn V.
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tive about 'women and Linux' that we have a
> chat list, a gender discussion list, a help list, all of which is well
> and good, but no hardcore hackers list.
Mmm.
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you mis
ormation
you need, in the section about such-and-so' is helpful, and there's
nothing wrong with THAT sort. In fact, there's everything right with
it.
Jenn V.
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you miss out on by b
t Linuxchix have appeared on /., so I
> wondered...
We haven't yet had 'wanna get some' posts. We have had trolling, and
we have had conversation-derailing 'so what's this list FOR anyway' or
'why the hell should women get their own list' questions.
'are women discouraged at all?')
However, it's a quiet enough list that I doubt anyone would mind
other sorts of discussions as well .. so long as they were at least
roughly on-topic.
Jenn V.
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fixed with the world?
I'd say yes!
Jenn V.
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-cred. :/
On the other hand, I insist on being paid at least as much for
techwriting as for coding. My argument, when I need to use it, is
"Your choice: I code, or I techwrite. You want me to techwrite instead,
therefore it's more valuable to you. So pay for it."
Jenn V.
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Rebecca J. Walter wrote:
> how about we all make a deal with each other? we WILL post possible
> answers. if the answer isnt correct, we will learn from corrections.
> NO ONE will bash anyone else for having been wrong.
Good thought. I agree.
Jenn V.
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ick it up.
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d go down it.
Noone sensible will care that you're behind them on /their/ road,
especially since you're ahead of them on /yours/. And the ones who
are sharing your road, but ahead of you, should be happy to help.
If they're not, they're idiots. :) They won't be walking that
(1) Try the man pages. (Or info, or --help)
> This is useful if you know the name of the command or application
> you are using.
The 'man -k ' or 'apropos ' command can help you locate
the command you want but don't know th
ople on the books. 4 are women.
The writers?
Me.
Catherine.
Kate.
What are the odds of that being random? (yes, all three of us are female)
Jenn V.
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in that environment.
I *think* it's a human-thing, not a male- or female- one.
Jenn V.
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you miss out on by being a geek?" - Dancer.
[EMA
Conor is absolutely right in his comments below. I'm guilty as charged.
I ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) said:
>> I'm really blathering on with this topic .. hopefully I'm making sense.
>>
>> Jenn V.
And he said to me:
> Dare I say it? Doesn't the a
f that from telemarketers.
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n a script kiddie who's trying to hack my
mental/emotional firewall so he can plug into my sockets.
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t few, and the first few would probably colour the WAY you
read the second lot.
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dship. :) No
running when you can't even crawl yet. :)
Besides, I was friends with Dancer for five years (or more!) before we
got married. And we've been married for ten years now. You never know
Jenn V.
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27;m sure you can tell when
someone's not really listening to you. So can we. And combine that with
the directions of their glance, and we can tell what they're listening
to
Jenn V.
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"Do you ever wonder if there's a
into as much
> intimacy as you both are comfortable with, as opposed to picking
> some random stranger off the street, dubbing yourselves "an item",
> and going from insubstantial banter to sharing your deepest darkest
> secrets in the blink of an eye.
Heh...
Jenn V.
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my husband to pay it'. She'd have had no idea that they were
behind. And the serviceman would nod understandingly. That was normal.
The lady of the house never did!
I'm s glad I don't live like that!
Jenn V.
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"Do you ever wonder if there's a who
t;>
>> Is this an honest question or are you intentionally pretending to
>> be stupid?
>
>
> Unless I've suddenly developed telekinetic powers, my thoughts cannot
> affect others in any way. You only see what I *DO*, not what I think.
But what you think comes out in what y
te-by-nature (as in, not attracted
to either gender).
Hm. That begs the following case:
women who are separatist, but by-nature attracted to men, and thus
remain celibate by choice.
Jenn V.
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"Do you ever wonder if there's a whole section of geek culture
you miss
still nursing the baby might
be part of it - *you* have to be around anyway.
If you still do the bulk of the childcare after he's on solid food, and
it's not a deliberate decision between the two of you, you might want
to start looking at why.
Jenn V.
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"Do you ever wond
ny
nice-looking guys there?
(I already know there are nice guys there. As in 'friendly', 'helpful',
'supportive', etc. But I never noticed how they look.)
And yes, I'm serious. I just /don't look/. This is why being 'looked'
at startles and conf
e-looking guys there?
... and I went to the gym today. And forgot to look.
Jenn V.
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Issues FAQ repost
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LinuxChix: Issues FAQ
Jennifer Vesperman
Copyright © 2
re of the property being given away.
Oh, and the fact that a program written for my local use can be
distributed while still remaining useful to me locally. Try doing
that with an adventure playground or a scout cabin!
Jenn V.
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"Do you ever wonder if there's a whole section of
ut, we get
> a world full of companies like microsoft, with few alternatives. I don't like
> that scenario.
Neither do I. But I don't see the options as strictly binary - closed
or open. I see room for both.
To me, most of the questions you just asked are non-issues - I suspect
it. I just see it as
something I want to do, that I feel is worthwhile in and of itself.
I don't know a way to fight the gradual slide to plutocracy. If I
knew of an effective one, I'd be doing it.
I feel disenfranchised. Taxation without representation, and all
that. Oh, there's
will almost certainly be overwritten.
Please bear with us, we're hoping to transfer things as smoothly as
possible, for Deb's sake and .. well, everyone's. :)
Jenn V.
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"Do you ever wonder if there's a whole section of geek culture
you miss out on by be
> Can you repost with some pointers as to how to do this please? I don't think
> you included them the first time around. Is there a webpage to visit?
URK! Did I forget to do that! My error, my apologies.
Go here:
http://www.simegen.com/mailman/listinfo/volunteers
And sign up.
gt; I don't mean it. I think that's where it all started.
> So, for you and anyone else reading. If I'm being arrogant or
> egotistical it's either a) a joke or b)
> I need a smack. :-)
Enough people ARE egotistical that it's damned hard to tell when
it
. We need to see women writing and
> producing publicly, not behind pseudonyms.
I agree... but why is there the pressure which leads women to be
more comfortable using male pseudonyms?
(BTW: I'm planning to docbook those articles today, David.)
Jenn V.
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er
*LEGAL* contracts about employment.
Jenn V.
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ing in a new staff member.
> Yes - a lot of companies export work to countries with lax laws, since
> it's cheaper that way. The ethics of this are rather questionable, but
> that's another issue...
New Zealand is hardly a country with lax labour laws!
Jenn V.
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Daniel:
This is one instance where I'm very glad to be wrong.
Thank you.
Jenn V.
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you miss out on by being a geek?" - Dancer.
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(PS: docbooked the articles. Decided I might as well write the last
two before I send them in. Have the first (data transmission) mostly
done, and the second will be quick.)
Jenn V.
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"Do you ever wonder if there's a whole section of geek culture
you miss
Daniel Bravo wrote:
> Jenn,
>
> Well, if American teenage college movies showed
> the good side of fraternities and sororities, I don't
> think that they would be too entertaining. Just keep
> in mind that there are two sides to every coin.
Oh, I don't kn
up my freedom to behave in an unprofessional manner while
in the work environment.
Hm. Not 'giving up' per se .. but 'choosing to hold in abeyance for
the set period of time'.
Jenn V.
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ainly hope I haven't
> given up freedom except according to the most trivial definition.
Loose choice of words, and trivial definitions of 'giving up' and
'freedom'.
It never even OCCURED to me that anyone might interpret what I said
as tightly as you appear to have.
at American
Movie Culture tends to depict them badly.
Neither of us intended at all to trivialise /your/ issue, which
appears to be fraternities-who-rape. Both of us are ignorant
of your issue, it seems, though to different extents.
Please don't get angry at side threads, that'
Thanks for your attention, support, and patience, while we make these
changes.
Dancer and Jenn Vesperman, & the various volunteers who are making
this possible.
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you miss out on by being a geek?" - D
ogated enough, we'll tell the lists to use
linuxchix.org as their domain.
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it - whether
you're good enough at it to do so.
Besides, if you want to not directly compete, specialise in different
aspects of programming.
Dancer's a much better implementer than I think I could be. But I'm the better
designer! Even with me rusty and him experienced!
(U
nesses!
> It's a hobby of mine. (It would be nice if I could open source me, at times
> the patches from this single developer come pretty slow ;-) )
I know the feeling.
Jenn V.
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something I /want/ to do. And I really don't know
what my criteria are - I just know I know when I don't have it.
Hobby programming - finding something to do just cause you want to do it -
can be the trick.
Jenn V.
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what you need right
away. You can always wind up posting an almost-complete pre-alpha
along with your requests for help. You're almost certain to find
a structural engineer who knows someone who can be nagged into it.
Or, of course, you might surprise yourself and do it.
Jenn V.
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be intimidated by the bit right in front of you.
Look down at your feet, not out at the horizon.
Jenn V.
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for no reason other than the pleasure of their company. Why?
[EMAIL PROTECTED]Jenn Vesperman
er's feelings, and they
tell me - quite unemotionally - when I've done something wrong.
People are hard because: I can hurt people's feelings, and I almost never
find out whether I've done something wrong, and I NEVER find out what it
is or how to fix it.
IMO: people take a stron
clique-spaces to play, and go into the kitchen to chat over
coffee. Want to come join us in the kitchen, and let the youngsters play
with their naked-girl (or wedding bells) themes?
Jenn V.
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for no reason other than
(correctly or not) tend to assume that others are equally
interested in those activities.
This is NOT a bad thing! It's just a thing that is.
As always: IMO. YMMV.
Jenn V.
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t;
Go ahead. It's /your/ bit of cyberspace. Mine has what I like. Albiet
not /all/ of it...
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for no reason other than the pleasure of their company. Why?
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r sites to be unusable. The ones were merely
ignorant get as much help from me as they ask for - though sometimes
that help is a direction to the WWW consortium or the HTML writer's
guild. :)
Jenn V.
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fo
.
> And geeks in general.
If the linux users and geeks I know IRL are a cross section, then there
is ONE geek or linux user on /., and she's there mainly to try to counter
the idiocy.
In other words: I /really/, really, REALLY doubt that /. represents the
geek/linux community at ALL well.
urprised them. It was fun.
And it was empowering. And earned me my place. Annoying to have to earn it,
yes, but .. hey. That's life.
Jenn V.
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for no reason other than the pleasure of their company. Wh
ONDERFUL statement of the point - thank you for analysing WHY
we get upset - and I hope you don't mind (please) if I use this explanation
myself in the future. Because I'd never actually managed to analyse it to
this level, and it's so RIGHT!!
Jenn V.
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ny one - it was a statement of a problem,
and *mostly* stated with intent to analyse.
Sometimes you need to have a long rambling conversation to analyse what
a problem IS so you can go tackle it. Toughness is appropriate for the
tackling-the-problem end. For dealing with it.
Damned hard to deal
s spouse/partner/whatever, and not
interested in and of themselves. Especially a female who happens to be with
a male fan - Dancer and I are both geeks, and both go. I have to start hitting
people with fluent geekspeak to get accepted, sometimes.
Jenn V.
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ica and it sucks sometimes...
It is?
(Jenn looks out the window).
It is! Toto, I don't think I'm in Melbourne anymore.
Funny how that tornado swept me up - and you don't GET tornadoes in Australia.
Where's that witch - I need the ruby slippers
The Net is internat
;), I evade the whole 'feminism is anti-men'
debate. Tip for those who want to get into one of these discussions
with less 'defining-of-terms' time. But PLEASE don't let anyone corrupt
THESE terms for me!
I use them to mean 'someone who believes that society shouldn't
ody language'. But probably not around me. :) I
know
him well enough that I'm responsible for bloody saying something - hell, I do
the social iconography body language thingy to him, too.
We all do.
So. 'ow's it going, mate? Don't come the raw prawn with me...'
G'day.
.
In many places, I'm just as likely to drool over a nice girl as a nice
guy. OTOH if I spotted a set of girlie pics in a potential workplace,
I'd be walking right back OUT the door and cancelling my interview -
expecting to be treated in that workplace as a DD-babe-with-no-brains.
red out that
a lot of it is a way to transmit social expectations. That's useful stuff
to know, even if you have to wade through a lot of noise to get the signal.
Jenn V.
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for no reason other than the pleasure
rehashing stuff that most of us in the debate have already said 'it's
not about that', it gets very very tiring.
As Vinnie said:
"How many times do I have to say this: It's not about the clothes"
We're not debating whether pornography is or is not evil. I *LIKE*
por
roup) who discusses such things. About guys OR
girls.
Am I wierd, or is everyone else?
Jenn V.
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> For the record, no one seems to understand any sort of humor. We all seem
> to be so locked into Politically Correct mode...
Try sounding humourous. You sound like you're trolling.
Jenn V.
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for no rea
The point isn't how to fix the symptom, the point is to try to figure
out WHY it's symptom and WHAT the underlying problem is.
Jenn V.
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[E
. I say 'no'.
Looks like you don't have anything useful to say on this topic. So please
stop trying to quash it. You're PROOF of this second, smaller problem. Look at
yourself.
> >the (teeny) problem is that there are a few screenshots on themes.org with
> >a fe
gt; we can figure out another way is just more than a little ignorant.
Um. We're doing the figuring out, and battle-choosing. Except that some
people in the list, such as you, Brendan, *appear* to have decided we're
attacking you. Uh. We're not. We're trying to /think/ and to
gs-that-turn-people-off?
And can we analyse /why/ it is so offensive, and whether it was 'intentional'
or 'accidental' offence?
Jenn V.
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rly. The dishes left in the sink for several days. The lawn needs mowing.
Hm. Maybe I'll get off the email and do a quick cleanup!
Long evening discussions spent developing code and doing design. An employer
gets a bargain with both of us - two brains working on each piece of code
either of u
s which /her experience in the past/ has associated with non-
acceptance are present, she can quite legitimately assume that they mean the
same now as they did then.
Jenn V.
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al harmony: film at 11.
Oh *HELL* yes. Without our local LAN, we'd go nuts! Roll on IPv6 - we're
all set up for it already...
Jenn V.
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[EMA
. I suspect that if I hadn't healed myself a lot
before I tried it, I'd be a danger to myself. (So far I've never been
a danger to others. Something I'm proud of. Car keys stay firmly in the
handbag, not in the hand, when I'm depressed.)
Jenn V.
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h it. And being /so/ geekish that
my intelligence is one of my prime sources of self-esteem, anything which
handicaps that is worse than the original depression.
So anti-depressants depress me. Ain't that paradoxical?
Any other geeks find that?
Jenn V.
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I don't think anyone is slamming anti-depressants in general. I was just
curious as to whether other people had the same problems with them that
I do. Apparently so. ;)
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o do, to ask.
OTOH, I haven't got the foggiest what to say about it! Well, except that I
do know a couple of men who have that concern (about men being treated as
objects).
I think one thing I read once kind of defines it: problems start when you
stop treating people as /people/. this i
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