Brendan/Coolian wrote:
>
> >the (big) problem is that there are a lot of
> >not-necessarily-purposeful-or-noticed-by-most-of-the-community issues that
> >make the community less 'safe' for women...
>
> God, how I wish a few of you people had ACTUAL problems to Talk about...
Funny. Seems to me that the 'issues' list is built to "discuss the larger
abstract theoretical/philosophical issues related to Linux, the Open Source
Movement, Women & Technology, etc"
I do have actual problems to talk about. Salinity levels in the most arable
land in Australia threatening to damage the ecosystem here. My brother's
health.
Getting a sapling out of my garden before it cracks the pavers.
But they're not on-topic for this list. So I don't talk about them here.
On-topic for this list is, among other things, the problem of things-that-
make-the-linux-community-unsafe-or-unwelcoming-for-women.
If you don't want to talk about this problem, find something else on-topic
for this list to talk about. Anything to do with women, linux, open source,
women-and-technology will do.
But don't try to kill this thread just because you consider the problem
trivial. It's NOT, for most of us, and its NOT TRIVIAL for any of us who
are choosing to continue to discuss it.
> >the (smaller) problem is that when they are brought up, the common
> >reactions are to deny that a problem exists, or to rationalize it, or to
> >tell women to ignore it.
>
> Millions have problems with spontaneously mutating into dogs, deny it and
> you're just part of the cover-up, man!
Let's put it this way: Have you perceived the problem of soil salinity in
Australia? No. Didn't think so. Do you think it doesn't exist, just because
you haven't perceived it? Probably not.
Have you perceived a problem regarding incidental and accidental subtle
exclusion of women in the linux community? No, obviously not.
Does that mean it doesn't exist? Well, you say 'yes'. I say 'no'.
Looks like you don't have anything useful to say on this topic. So please
stop trying to quash it. You're PROOF of this second, smaller problem. Look at
yourself.
> >the (teeny) problem is that there are a few screenshots on themes.org with
> >a few gratuitous sex shots.
>
> Haven't seen any.
There've been URLs with them posted to the list during the discussions.
Jenn V.
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