[SAtalk] Reporting SPAM that didn't get caught by SpamAssassin?

2002-01-28 Thread Daniel Pittman
Hi. I noticed on the website for SpamAssassin, which is a very nice tool, that there is a mailing list for SPAM that was not caught to be sent to for analysis. What I am not sure of is how, exactly, I should be forwarding this mail. Do I send it as an RFC 822 attachment or what? Maybe improvin

[SAtalk] Re: Reporting SPAM that didn't get caught by SpamAssassin?

2002-01-28 Thread Daniel Pittman
On Mon, 28 Jan 2002, Sidney Markowitz wrote: >> ''bounce'' or ''redistribute'' it, as forwards are very hard to >> de-forward-ize -- the format is different for each MUA :( > > Wouldn't it be easy to set up something that would process mail that > is forwarded as a MIME attachment? That preserves

[SAtalk] Re: MyParty

2002-01-29 Thread Daniel Pittman
On Tue, 29 Jan 2002, dman wrote: > On Tue, Jan 29, 2002 at 02:58:56PM -0500, Mike Coughlan wrote: > >| > Has anybody created a rule for the MyParty virus? It is trapped by >| > our virus scanner, but it would be nice to have a rule in SA to >| > catch it. > >| Maybe this is an old philpsophical

[SAtalk] Re: GA needs a couple more tests (SA 2.01)

2002-02-02 Thread Daniel Pittman
On Sat, 2 Feb 2002, Andrew Kohlsmith wrote: > The corpus we have now may be fine for techies, but it frankly needs > work for us ISPs. > > The +1 scores for tests with a GA score above 20 and 30 is a good > idea, but remember that both hotmail and msn have those goddamn "click > here for MSN|Hotm

[SAtalk] Re: GA needs a couple more tests (SA 2.01)

2002-02-03 Thread Daniel Pittman
On Sun, 3 Feb 2002, Andrew Kohlsmith wrote: >> I would be extremely happy to see SpamAssassin extended to recognize >> the routine, vaguely irritating spam that is attached to "free" email >> messages and the like. > > I think I will give my regexp skills a shot at this, as it is probably > the b

[SAtalk] SpamAssassin corrupts date headers in email...

2002-02-03 Thread Daniel Pittman
Most messages that I get, these days, matches the "missing date" test, and ends up with something like: X-Mail-Format-Warning: Bad RFC822 header formatting in Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2002 14:31:08 + (GMT) Of course, that's /not/ an invalid RFC822 date, it's SpamAssassin[1] deciding that it's not r

[SAtalk] Re: Microsoft Passport (and can't add to whitelist)

2002-02-03 Thread Daniel Pittman
On 03 Feb 2002, Craig Hughes wrote: > It is the right place to bring this up, and I think someone else > mentioned something similar a while back. Don't remember what the > resolution was. IIRC, the conclusion was that SpamAssassin does not do correct RFC822 matching on the address part. It nee

[SAtalk] Re: SpamAssassin corrupts date headers in email...

2002-02-03 Thread Daniel Pittman
On 03 Feb 2002, Craig Hughes wrote: > Yeah, I'd seen this claim of non-compliant headers in a few places > that seemed OK to me too -- The regex it's checking is pretty nasty > though. I'll see if I can figure out what jm was trying to do there > and fix it. Cool. Hrm... ...is there any easy way

[SAtalk] Re: SpamAssassin corrupts date headers in email...

2002-02-04 Thread Daniel Pittman
On 03 Feb 2002, Craig Hughes wrote: > No, not really any way to avoid this... it's a fairly important part > of NoMailAudit.pm So, using SpamAssassin means a risk of corrupted email. Hrm. Ah, well, I guess you pay for what you get. :/ > I've looked again and again at the relevant lines and can't

[SAtalk] Re: SpamAssassin corrupts date headers in email...

2002-02-04 Thread Daniel Pittman
On Mon, 4 Feb 2002, peter green wrote: > * peter green <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [020204 07:23]: >> * Daniel Pittman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [020203 14:18]: >> > X-Mail-Format-Warning: Bad RFC822 header formatting in Date: Sun, 3 >> > Feb 2002 14:31:08 + (GMT

[SAtalk] Re: SpamAssassin corrupts date headers in email...

2002-02-04 Thread Daniel Pittman
On Mon, 4 Feb 2002, Jost Krieger wrote: > On Sun, Feb 03, 2002 at 01:29:31PM -0800, Craig Hughes wrote: >> Yeah, I'd seen this claim of non-compliant headers in a few places >> that seemed OK to me too -- The regex it's checking is pretty nasty >> though. I'll see if I can figure out what jm was t

[SAtalk] Re: SpamAssassin corrupts date headers in email...

2002-02-04 Thread Daniel Pittman
On 04 Feb 2002, Craig Hughes wrote: > On Mon, 2002-02-04 at 13:38, Daniel Pittman wrote: [...] > I'm still somewhat baffled about why things weren't working in the > first place with that particular example though, but perhaps by > tinkering with the regex we've

[SAtalk] Re: [simon@virtualpets.co.za: S.A. Reptile Shopping.]

2002-02-04 Thread Daniel Pittman
On 04 Feb 2002, Craig Hughes wrote: > Oh, I assumed that Amavis was inserting that if it was unregistered or > something. I just did a search on that "This safeguard blah blah blah" > string, and it gets a bunch of hits from SPAM sent to mailing lists. > Might be worth a rule for that I suppose.

[SAtalk] Oddity in message test match?

2002-02-05 Thread Daniel Pittman
I just got a message that hit this test: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.9 required=5.0 tests=DATE_IN_FUTURE version=2.01 It had a date header that wasn't in the future, though. It was: Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2001 22:12:20 +1100 That's a year in the past, not in the future, and it /shouldn't/ be impossibl

[SAtalk] Re: Oddity in message test match?

2002-02-05 Thread Daniel Pittman
On Tue, 5 Feb 2002, Daniel Rogers wrote: > On Wed, Feb 06, 2002 at 09:00:23AM +1100, Daniel Pittman wrote: >> I just got a message that hit this test: >> >> X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.9 required=5.0 tests=DATE_IN_FUTURE >> version=2.01 >> >> It had a date h

[SAtalk] Re: Port 81 (contains pr0n spam)

2002-02-06 Thread Daniel Pittman
On Wed, 6 Feb 2002, rODbegbie wrote: > I'm receiving an increasing number of Spams for porn sites hosted by > splitrock.net which are operating on port 81 (see URLs below). > > 1) Anyone else getting them? Nope. Er, at least in my case. ;) > 2) Is anyone adverse to adding a rule to catch http

[SAtalk] Catchy release nickname (was Re: spamd log messages...)

2002-02-06 Thread Daniel Pittman
On Wed, 06 Feb 2002, Craig Hughes wrote: [...] > Then all we need is a catchy nickname for my first release :) SpamAssassin "Oh, my god!" 2.1 Especially after you find out whatever it was you managed to break in it, which I always do on the first release of anything. Then I get embarrassed. ;)

[SAtalk] Re: Auto Whitelisting Suggestion

2002-02-08 Thread Daniel Pittman
On Fri, 8 Feb 2002, Charlie Watts wrote: > On Fri, 8 Feb 2002, Shane Williams wrote: > >> On Fri, 8 Feb 2002, dman wrote: >> >> > On Fri, Feb 08, 2002 at 12:13:29PM -0600, Donald Greer wrote: >> > [...] >> > | Basically, the first time email is recieved from somebody, they >> > | are sent a mes

[SAtalk] Re: New Check Suggestion

2002-02-08 Thread Daniel Pittman
On Fri, 08 Feb 2002, Donald Greer wrote: > One potential new check would be for "Received:" sequences. Nope. > E.G. that there's no message with a "Received: from XXX by YYY" > followed by "Received: from WWW by ZZZ". If ZZZ received the message, > then ZZZ should have sent it on the next hop (

[SAtalk] Re: postfix w/out procmail

2002-02-09 Thread Daniel Pittman
On 09 Feb 2002, Craig Hughes wrote: > Note that spamproxyd is not nearly as featureful as spamc/spamd -- in > particular, it will process *all* messages, including very long ones, > which can suck up a lot of CPU and open your mail server to denial of > service attacks. If anyone has got a postfix

[SAtalk] Re: Exit code

2002-02-10 Thread Daniel Pittman
On Sun, 10 Feb 2002, Mark wrote: > Dear people, > > Being rather interested in running the spamd daemon, I tried to run a > test message in a small test Perl script, having the daemon running, > of course, on my FreeBSD 4.1 server; it looks as follows: > > $result = int ((system ("/usr/bin/spamc

[SAtalk] Re: Exit code

2002-02-10 Thread Daniel Pittman
On Sun, 10 Feb 2002, Mark wrote: > - Original Message - > From: "Daniel Pittman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2002 10:35 PM > Subject: [SAtalk] Re: Exit code > >> On Sun, 10 Feb 2002, Mark wrot

[SAtalk] Re: rule suggestion

2002-02-12 Thread Daniel Pittman
On Tue, 12 Feb 2002, Michael Geier wrote: > The attached email slipped under the threshold. > > However, something caught my eye. Generally, the from: domain and the > reply-to: domain don't match on spam. > > Maybe we could compare against that? For the love of god, NOO! It's bad enough t

[SAtalk] Re: rule suggestion

2002-02-12 Thread Daniel Pittman
On Tue, 12 Feb 2002, Michael Geier wrote: [... original message elided by poster ...] > Maybe some people are taking my recommendation a little to strongly. > > In answer to your points: > [1]If you belong to a list that does it, put them in your whitelist (in my > opinion, any list you belong

[SAtalk] Re: Release soon?

2002-02-13 Thread Daniel Pittman
On Wed, 13 Feb 2002, Duncan Findlay wrote: > What's the status of the next release? > > I'd like to know, since I'm contemplating my options for Debian. > Ideally, I'd wait package the next release, but I might release a > Debian package with patches from the cvs or just fix Debian specific > bu

[SAtalk] Re: Release soon?

2002-02-13 Thread Daniel Pittman
On Thu, 14 Feb 2002, Duncan Findlay wrote: > On Thu, Feb 14, 2002 at 03:43:18PM +1100, Daniel Pittman wrote: >> On Wed, 13 Feb 2002, Duncan Findlay wrote: >> > What's the status of the next release? >> > >> > I'd like to know, since I'm cont

[SAtalk] Re: Spammer's new ideas ...

2002-02-14 Thread Daniel Pittman
On Thu, 14 Feb 2002, Andre Bonhote wrote: > On Wed, Feb 13, 2002 at 11:09:00PM -0800, Craig Hughes wrote: [...] >> Actually, this raises an interesting issue with AWLs where it'll have >> no way of knowing you're you and not someone else with whom you >> regularly correspond, which is probably b

[SAtalk] Re: SA 2.01 low scores

2002-02-14 Thread Daniel Pittman
On 14 Feb 2002, Craig Hughes wrote: > I'll investigate -- it's weird, because both GAs seem to assign low > scores to "HUNZA_DIET_BREAD" even though it obviously only appears in > the spam corpus, and not in non-spam. Sure, but how much of the spam corpus do they show up in? > In fact my GA whi

[SAtalk] Re: Another MX test?

2002-02-18 Thread Daniel Pittman
On Sun, 17 Feb 2002, Daniel Rogers wrote: > It seems I've been getting a lot of spam lately that has a valid MX, > but the MX is 127.0.0.1 (loopback). Any chance we could add a test for > this? That will break a large number of legitimate uses of email forwarding, notably mine.[1] I use the Unix

[SAtalk] Re: slooooow rules

2002-02-21 Thread Daniel Pittman
On 21 Feb 2002, Craig Hughes wrote: > On Thu, 2002-02-21 at 10:22, Arpi wrote: [...] >> body FOR_INSTANT_ACCESS /\sINSTANT\s+ACCESS.{0,20}\s+/i >> >> correct me if i'm wrong, i'm still newbie in regexp world :) > > I think > body FOR_INSTANT_ACCESS /INSTANT ACCESS/i > is fine b

[SAtalk] Re: Score levels

2002-02-22 Thread Daniel Pittman
On 22 Feb 2002, Craig Hughes wrote: > Nice feature! I'll add this to SA itself. *grin* Please use something other than '*', though; it's a pain to filter in a regular expression based system. ;) Maybe one of [@#%&!] would be suitable. Daniel -- These eyes see only what they wanna se

[SAtalk] Re: SpamAssassin 2 w/ postfix content_filter ...

2002-02-24 Thread Daniel Pittman
On Sun, 24 Feb 2002, Marc G. Fournier wrote: > anyone successfully using this? Yes. > if so, how do you have it setup? I followed the instructions for the simple filtering, using a shell script to pipe the messages through spamc and back into sendmail. > I've tried smtpproxyd, but it doesn't

[SAtalk] Re: SpamAssassin 2 w/ postfix content_filter ...

2002-02-24 Thread Daniel Pittman
On Sun, 24 Feb 2002, Marc G. Fournier wrote: > On Mon, 25 Feb 2002, Daniel Pittman wrote: >> On Sun, 24 Feb 2002, Marc G. Fournier wrote: [... spamassassin with postfix ...] >> > if so, how do you have it setup? >> >> I followed the instructions for the simple filt

Re: GA coming up with wacky scores? was Re: [SAtalk] Announcing 2.1release

2002-02-27 Thread Daniel Pittman
On Wed, 27 Feb 2002, Greg Ward wrote: > On 27 February 2002, Craig R Hughes said: >>181 98 83 RATWARE > > That's interesting. I wonder if the RATWARE regex is too broad -- > perhaps if it were toned down a bit, it would be better focussed on > spam. This ought to be a

[SAtalk] Re: Troubling new scores in 2.1 release

2002-02-28 Thread Daniel Pittman
On Thu, 28 Feb 2002, Michael Moncur wrote: >> To me, -ve scores on tests can also be used to "offset" spammy >> messages in clean email. I have several of these of my own creation: > > Well, yes, that's true - SpamAssassin already includes a bunch of > these, such as COPYRIGHT_CLAIMED and PHP_SIG

[SAtalk] Re: RichDad.com e-mail is treated as spam

2002-03-01 Thread Daniel Pittman
On Fri, 1 Mar 2002, William R. Ward wrote: > Sidney Markowitz writes: >>On Fri, 2002-03-01 at 16:37, William R Ward wrote: [...] >>> To the best of my knowledge, [EMAIL PROTECTED] does not send spam. >>> It's mail for an affiliate program that I signed up for. >> >>In general it is a good idea t

[SAtalk] Re: A better alternative to test ROUND_THE_WORLD

2002-03-02 Thread Daniel Pittman
On Sat, 02 Mar 2002, Rob McMillin wrote: > Duncan Findlay wrote: >>On Fri, Mar 01, 2002 at 09:50:03PM -0800, Rob McMillin wrote: >> >>> I would like to suggest that the ROUND_THE_WORLD test, which seems >>> to catch little real spam these days. (Maybe it's just me.) I would >>> submit for the grou

[SAtalk] Re: A better alternative to test ROUND_THE_WORLD

2002-03-03 Thread Daniel Pittman
On Sat, 02 Mar 2002, Rob McMillin wrote: > Daniel Pittman wrote: >>On Sat, 02 Mar 2002, Rob McMillin wrote: >>>Duncan Findlay wrote: >>>>On Fri, Mar 01, 2002 at 09:50:03PM -0800, Rob McMillin wrote: >>>> >>>>>I would like to suggest that t

[SAtalk] Re: A better alternative to test ROUND_THE_WORLD]

2002-03-03 Thread Daniel Pittman
On Sun, 3 Mar 2002, Craig R. Hughes wrote: [...] > It's great to hear that SA is increasingly being viewed as the #1 anti > spam product. In some part I think that's probably due to both its > effectiveness, and its flexibility. The simple fact is that in the > corpus, there are 687 pieces of sp

[SAtalk] Re: 2.11 released

2002-03-04 Thread Daniel Pittman
On Mon, 4 Mar 2002, dman wrote: > On Mon, Mar 04, 2002 at 09:01:45PM -0500, Duncan Findlay wrote: >| On Tue, Mar 05, 2002 at 08:49:10AM +0700, Olivier Nicole wrote: >| > Me thinks it would even be a good thing is SA could verify the >| > signature :) [...] > As I haven't figured out how to use g

[SAtalk] Re: Idea: ignore self for auto-whitelist and identifcal to/from

2002-03-04 Thread Daniel Pittman
On Mon, 4 Mar 2002, Greg Ward wrote: > On 01 March 2002, Matthew Cline said: >> Even if this is a good idea (is it?), I don't know how to go about >> getting the user's email adress. If it's the user who's invoking SA, >> there might be some way to get the info from the environment, but I >> want

[SAtalk] Re: Another English-centric rule

2002-03-05 Thread Daniel Pittman
On Tue, 5 Mar 2002, dman wrote: > On Tue, Mar 05, 2002 at 12:48:53PM -0800, Daniel Quinlan wrote: [...] >| Actually, iso-8859-1 is for English. > > It is for Western Europe. US-ASCII is a proper subset of all the ISO > and UTF-8. It's also worth noting that Microsoft products regularly announ

[SAtalk] Re: A Front Page rule?

2002-03-05 Thread Daniel Pittman
On Tue, 5 Mar 2002, Kerry Nice wrote: > Is Front Page ever used in non-spam. Yes. Sad as it is... > Would a check for some of these things be useful? ...but it probably would. :) [...] > Just out of curiousity, I looked quickly though my mail. 2002FebSpam > has about 1000 messages in it,

[SAtalk] Re: Quiet

2002-03-05 Thread Daniel Pittman
On Tue, 5 Mar 2002, Juan F. Codagnone wrote: > I don't want spamassassin to modify (write any report) in the body of > the mail (i want't only to add the headers). I searched for any option > and i didn't find anything. In your preferences, set: report_header 1 use_terse_report 1 The use_terse

[SAtalk] Re: Speed

2002-03-06 Thread Daniel Pittman
On Wed, 6 Mar 2002, Matt Sergeant wrote: > On 5 Mar 2002, Craig Hughes wrote: [...] >> Matt, take a look at bugzilla #62 -- there is more discussion of >> exactly this there. If you re-order the rules, then the only problem >> with short-circuit scoring is razor submission. If "-L" is used >> th

[SAtalk] relays.osirusoft.com (was Re: false positives since upgrading to2.11 (1/7))

2002-03-06 Thread Daniel Pittman
On Wed, 6 Mar 2002, Douglas J. Hunley wrote: > As you can see from the email attached, this mail got flagged simply > because of 'received via relay' and 'confirmed spam source' I received > the mail from a mailing list. I do *not* want to add the mailing list > address to my whitelist as this mai

[SAtalk] Re: relays.osirusoft.com (was Re: false positives since upgradingto 2.11 (1/7))

2002-03-06 Thread Daniel Pittman
On Wed, 6 Mar 2002, Matthew Cline wrote: > On Wednesday 06 March 2002 05:01 pm, Daniel Pittman wrote: > >> Er, does anyone out there know that this is actually a usable source >> of information? Can anyone say that it's a success story for them? > > 17 out of 87 spa

[SAtalk] Re: Malformed address?

2002-03-07 Thread Daniel Pittman
On Thu, 7 Mar 2002, Greg Ward wrote: > I just got a spam with this "To" header: > > To: > > ...is that malformed? Yes. It's obliged to quote the [ ;:] characters by that RFC. > (No, I still haven't memorized RFC 2822, sorry.) > The TO_MALFORMED test does *not* catch it. It's technically m

[SAtalk] Re: Proposed "FROM_SPAMLAND" user response summary

2002-03-07 Thread Daniel Pittman
On Thu, 7 Mar 2002, Scott Doty wrote: > On Fri, Mar 01, 2002 at 09:50:03PM -0800, Rob McMillin wrote regarding > the "FROM_SPAMLAND" test: > ] http://www.geocrawler.com/lists/3/SourceForge/11679/350/7984404/ > >> /\.(?:kr|cn|cl|ar|hk|il|th|tw|sg|za|tr|ma|ua|in|pe)(?:[\s\)\]]|$)/ >> Let the spear-

[SAtalk] Re: Sorting thru the SPAM

2002-03-07 Thread Daniel Pittman
On Thu, 7 Mar 2002, Bobby Rose wrote: > Does anyone have a script to sort files based on content? I tend to write them on the fly. > I've been dumping copies of the spam messages into a directory. What > I'd like to try to do is figure out how many times a From recipient > shows so that it can

[SAtalk] Catching virus distribution with SpamAssassin (was Re: Misc. ruleideas)

2002-03-08 Thread Daniel Pittman
On Fri, 8 Mar 2002, David G. Andersen wrote: > Matthew Cline just mooed: >> First a few rules to match non-spam: [...] >> While there would be no effort in faking this, it might take a while >> for some of the spammers to catch on. >> >> uri HTTPS_URL /https:\/\// >> descr

[SAtalk] Re: Catching virus distribution with SpamAssassin (was Re: Misc.rule ideas)

2002-03-08 Thread Daniel Pittman
On Fri, 08 Mar 2002, Michael Shields wrote: > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, > Daniel Pittman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> Low-hanging fruit, though it's out of date these days, catch >>> the snowhite virus since it's there: >>> >>

[SAtalk] Re: Catching virus distribution with SpamAssassin (was Re: Misc.rule ideas)

2002-03-08 Thread Daniel Pittman
On Fri, 08 Mar 2002, Rob McMillin wrote: > Matt Sergeant wrote: > >>>If you use a secure mailer, than viruses are not a threat, nothing >>>but more junk. I don't see any reason not to consider them spam. >> >>They are junk, but not UCE. >> >>How would you, for example, propose to catch a polymorp

[SAtalk] Re: Problem with DOS formatted files

2002-03-08 Thread Daniel Pittman
On Fri, 8 Mar 2002, Kevin Hansard wrote: > On my system Spamassassin treats DOS format files differently to UNIX > format files. On my machine also. > For example I executed the following commands on a spam message: [...] > Does anyone else experience this, or is it a problem with my setup?

[SAtalk] Re: Spammers are catching on...

2002-03-08 Thread Daniel Pittman
On Thu, 7 Mar 2002, Matthew Cline wrote: > On Thursday 07 March 2002 02:53 am, Matt Sergeant wrote: >> On Thu, 7 Mar 2002, Bart Schaefer wrote: >> > On Thu, 7 Mar 2002, Matt Sergeant wrote: > >> > > Yep, I'm seeing this stuff too (though not in huge numbers yet). >> > > I'm going to examine the

[SAtalk] Re: 2.11 blocks attachments

2002-03-08 Thread Daniel Pittman
On Fri, 08 Mar 2002, Craig Hughes wrote: > On 3/6/02 8:35 AM, "Geoff Gibbs" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [...] >> The whole line of yelling is in fact part of the body of the >> base-64 encoding. It seems somewhat harsh to block a message >> purely on the basis that it contains an attachment. > >

[SAtalk] Re: Proposed 'FROM_SPAMLAND' user response summary

2002-03-09 Thread Daniel Pittman
On Fri, 08 Mar 2002, Rob McMillin wrote: > Justin Mason wrote: > >> Mind you, I don't think this is a good idea; it will make SA even >> more westerner-oriented. :( Pretty much all the GA corpus is from >> western >>sources and in western charsets, so the GA will totally skew it. > > Further: the

[SAtalk] Re: (?: in regexps

2002-03-09 Thread Daniel Pittman
On Sat, 9 Mar 2002, Matthew Cline wrote: > Why is "(?:" used in the rules regexps instead of just "("? Because a back-reference to that group is not needed. > Does the engine that applies the rules put normal parens around the > whole regexp, and we don't want to interfere with it generating $1

[SAtalk] Re: Catching virus distribution with SpamAssassin (was Re: Misc.rule ideas)

2002-03-09 Thread Daniel Pittman
On Sat, 09 Mar 2002, Michael Shields wrote: > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, > Daniel Pittman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> MIMEdefang <http://www.roaringpenguin.com/mimedefang/> does exactly >> what you want. It will strip away executable files and discard t

[SAtalk] Re: Lot's of spam gets thru because of missing rules

2002-03-10 Thread Daniel Pittman
On 10 Mar 2002, Toni Willberg wrote: [...] > Attached spam is good example of spam I get which is scrored under 5.0 > by SpamAssassin. Spammer is trying to sell CD's of bulk email > addresses to spammers. :) [...] > My suggestions follows, someone add good scores for them: [...] > Header con

[SAtalk] Re: CommuniGate is also RATWARE

2002-03-11 Thread Daniel Pittman
On Mon, 11 Mar 2002, Michael Moncur wrote: >> I just noticed that CommuniGate has its own test (COMMUNIGATE) but it >> isn't listed in the RATWARE test. This is of interest because the >> RATWARE test checks ALL headers, where COMMUNIGATE is a body test. It >> should be listed in RATWARE. > > The

[SAtalk] Re: Negative weightings for positive rules?

2002-03-11 Thread Daniel Pittman
On Mon, 11 Mar 2002, Forrest Cahoon wrote: > I just started using SpamAssassin, and it seems very effective. > > I have noticed that some of the rules which would logically seem to > indicate that a message *is* spam have negative weightings, e.g.: Others already explained that the GA develops t

[SAtalk] Re: Spamming via sound files, and other intersting techniques

2002-03-11 Thread Daniel Pittman
On Mon, 11 Mar 2002, Matthew Cline wrote: > On Monday 11 March 2002 06:46 pm, Charlie Watts wrote: > >> Did you play it? (or at least look at it more closely) > > Ah. It's file type *is* "MS-DOS executable (EXE), OS/2 or MS Windows", > so I guess it's a virus. And the raw text of the message has

[SAtalk] Re: Spamming via sound files, and other intersting techniques

2002-03-12 Thread Daniel Pittman
On Tue, 12 Mar 2002, Charlie Watts wrote: > On Mon, 11 Mar 2002, Matthew Cline wrote: >> On Monday 11 March 2002 08:24 pm, Michael Moncur wrote: >> >> > I think that would be a great addition to SA, although I see more >> > virus emails formatted like that than actual spam. I'm trying the >> > fol

[SAtalk] Re: Messages with empty bodies?

2002-03-12 Thread Daniel Pittman
On Tue, 12 Mar 2002, Charlie Watts wrote: > In my spam collection, they're all already caught by the DNS > blacklists - but some of y'all aren't using the blacklists. > > I'm seeing more and more of a strange phenomenon - spam with no body. > > Does anybody get legit mail with no body? I get se

[SAtalk] Re: OT: new virus, easy to quick-fix with SA

2002-03-12 Thread Daniel Pittman
On Tue, 12 Mar 2002, Andrew Kohlsmith wrote: > I've just seen in the last 12h a new virus coming through as a > Microsoft security update. It's a repeat of an older attempt to exploit the same imagined trust-relationship between customers of Microsoft and the company. > I've added a test like th

[SAtalk] Re: OT: new virus, easy to quick-fix with SA

2002-03-13 Thread Daniel Pittman
On Wed, 13 Mar 2002, Andrew Kohlsmith wrote: >> > I've added a test like this to catch it; >> You do realize that this is probably the *most* inefficient way, >> short of hand sorting, that you have of blocking the message? > > In terms of efficiency it's not all that bad; I could use badmailfrom

[SAtalk] Why to deliver SPAM even if it's identified. (was Re: Spamd andMilter - Expected Results?)

2002-03-13 Thread Daniel Pittman
On Wed, 13 Mar 2002, Michael Grau wrote: [...] > I don't see much point in tagging spam and then delivering > it anyway. The spammers still got their message through. > So what if it's in a special little folder all its own? The problem with this approach is that SpamAssassin is a heuristic sys

[SAtalk] Re: More filter ideas

2002-03-14 Thread Daniel Pittman
On Thu, 14 Mar 2002, Rob McMillin wrote: > Is it too much to assume that eight-bit characters in the e-mail part > of an address is a sign of junk? I get a lot of Asian spam in this > form, but I understand Unicode domains are on their way, so it will > now be possible for me to receive mail from

[SAtalk] Re: More filter ideas

2002-03-14 Thread Daniel Pittman
On Thu, 14 Mar 2002, Olivier Nicole wrote: >> This isn't a legal DNS name, though. It would seem reasonable to >> match it but, er, are you /really/ getting 8-bit characters in the >> headers? > > Well there is the native language DNS project that has started to > implement, I imagine that the

[SAtalk] Re: Skipping multipart/related is bad

2002-03-19 Thread Daniel Pittman
On Tue, 19 Mar 2002, Matthew Cline wrote: > On Tuesday 19 March 2002 03:02 pm, dman wrote: > >> On Tue, Mar 19, 2002 at 02:34:23PM -0800, Bart Schaefer wrote: > >> | On Tue, 19 Mar 2002, Daniel Rogers wrote: >> | > I guess this would mean having to recurse through all the mime >> | > parts? > >

[SAtalk] Re: spamproxyd : 'sending spam to a spamtrap box & the intendedrecip ient'

2002-03-20 Thread Daniel Pittman
On Wed, 20 Mar 2002, Greg Ward wrote: > On 20 March 2002, Maurits Bloos said: >> Has anyone 'hacked' spamproxyd to send *SPAM* to both the intended >> recipient and to a 'spamtrap' mailbox ? > > Why bother? I thought the point of spamproxyd was to allow rejecting > spam at SMTP-time. Heck, no.

[SAtalk] Re: SA's performance with mailing lists

2002-03-20 Thread Daniel Pittman
On Wed, 20 Mar 2002, Kerry Nice wrote: > I did email Chris Prillo of Lockergnome and tried to enlighten him. > His response basically was that he was mad that people were using > something that they didn't know how to use and it was too powerful. Hey, that's a reasonable objection. I would comp

[SAtalk] Re: More rules for SPAM_PHRASES?

2002-03-25 Thread Daniel Pittman
On Mon, 25 Mar 2002, Craig R. Hughes wrote: > Michael Moncur wrote: [...] >> I believe the issues with really short messages getting high scores >> were fixed and the system should be worth *something* now... > > Yes -- it should work OK now. The reason I turned it off is probably > because the

[SAtalk] Re: Freedom of Press / Speech / Junk Mail (yah right)

2002-03-26 Thread Daniel Pittman
On Tue, 26 Mar 2002, Rick Smith wrote: > How long do you think it will be until users of SA face the same > consequences as the now infamous ORBZ case ? > > I'm sure that some lawyer out there could find a way to sue someone > for running this package. Absolutely. The American legal systems seem

[SAtalk] Re: Freedom of Press / Speech / Junk Mail (yah right)

2002-03-26 Thread Daniel Pittman
On Wed, 27 Mar 2002, Olivier Nicole wrote: >>unless all ISPs are "well-behaved" and block outbound >>port 25 except to their own mail servers > > provided they have a decent architecture (that can handle the hundred > thousand, or million email they send per day) they will end up with > transpar

[SAtalk] Re: Freedom of Press / Speech / Junk Mail (yah right)

2002-03-26 Thread Daniel Pittman
On Wed, 27 Mar 2002, Jason Haar wrote: > On Wed, Mar 27, 2002 at 01:00:05PM +1100, Daniel Pittman wrote: >> Right up to the point that someone institutes the architecture for >> secure mail relay that the combination of TLS and certificate >> verification provide -- /that/ c

[SAtalk] Re: reporting spam with -r doesn't seem to work

2002-03-26 Thread Daniel Pittman
On Wed, 27 Mar 2002, martin f. krafft wrote: > [please keep cc'ing me on replies] > > also sprach Duncan Findlay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002.03.26.2358 +0100]: >> Report a Debian bug or a bugzilla bug >> (http://bugzilla.spamassassin.org), and I'll definitely look into it. >> Please be sure to inc

[SAtalk] src:cid (was Re: More thoughts)

2002-03-27 Thread Daniel Pittman
On Wed, 27 Mar 2002, Matt Sergeant wrote: > Michael Moncur wrote: [...] > Anything using src=cid: should be treated very suspiciously as a > virus. That's what you've been sent (Either Klez or BadTrans - not > sure without seeing the subject of the email). src:cid is the standard way of referen

[SAtalk] Re: High Volume Mailserver

2002-03-27 Thread Daniel Pittman
On Wed, 27 Mar 2002, Maurits Bloos wrote: >> From: dman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >> On Wed, Mar 27, 2002 at 01:58:45PM +0100, Maurits Bloos wrote: >> | >> | And how do I do that with postfix as the 'in-between-hop' to my >> | (yuk) M$ Exchange Server (yuk). Most of the messages are a couple >>

[SAtalk] Re: src:cid (was Re: More thoughts)

2002-03-28 Thread Daniel Pittman
On Thu, 28 Mar 2002, Matt Sergeant wrote: > Daniel Pittman wrote: >> On Wed, 27 Mar 2002, Matt Sergeant wrote: >> >>>Michael Moncur wrote: >> [...] >> >>>Anything using src=cid: should be treated very suspiciously as a >>>virus. That's w

[SAtalk] [OFF-TOPIC] Socialist Countries (was Re: Let battle commence)

2002-03-30 Thread Daniel Pittman
On 30 Mar 2002, Craig Hughes wrote: > On Fri, 2002-03-29 at 22:29, Duncan Findlay wrote: >> On Sat, Mar 30, 2002 at 01:38:24AM +0100, Tony L. Svanstrom wrote: >> > On Fri, 29 Mar 2002 the voices made Rick Macdougall write: >> > > From: "Craig Hughes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> > > > >> > > > Ok, any s

[SAtalk] Re: consumerpackage.net

2002-04-01 Thread Daniel Pittman
On Sun, 31 Mar 2002, Rich Duzenbury wrote: > I don't believe I signed up for this. Seems that if there is a > 'complain to' header, it is likely spam. What do you think? Bad heuristic. Many ISP systems insert such a header into all messages relayed through them to assist in tracing ill behavior

[SAtalk] Re: DCC

2002-04-04 Thread Daniel Pittman
On Thu, 04 Apr 2002, Sean Rima wrote: [... message rewritten to conform to RFC2822 quoting ...] > On 03 Apr 2002, Craig Hughes uttered the following: >> Tony, I've been holding off on DCC until I thought it was a robust >> enough system to use. I'm still somewhat haunted by Razor's >> hiccuppine

[SAtalk] Re: Interesting obfuscation was: [Snort-users] Subliminal html inspam? (fwd)

2002-04-06 Thread Daniel Pittman
On Sat, 6 Apr 2002, Shane Williams wrote: > I sent this to sightings as well, but thought it was interesting > enough to pass along to the main list as well. Never mind that the > guy who caught it was being a little paranoid, it's still an > interesting look at what spammers are doing to avoid d

[SAtalk] Re: best platform?

2002-04-11 Thread Daniel Pittman
On Fri, 12 Apr 2002, Lars Hansson wrote: > On Thu, 11 Apr 2002 15:43:36 -0400 > "Duncan Findlay" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Simply put, it's not free software. > > Uh, says who? Depends on the value of free. qmail doesn't meet the Debian Free Software Guidelines, nor is it FSF "free". > Let

[SAtalk] Re: Chop, chop, chop

2002-04-11 Thread Daniel Pittman
On Thu, 11 Apr 2002, Rob McMillin wrote: > Jay Jacobs wrote: > >>Every once in a while (I'd say maybe 2 or 3 times a week), I get a >>header chopped in two, I assume on the Second From field. Sometimes >>it's spam, sometimes not. I just pipe the email through SA, with the >>-P and -F0, without th

[SAtalk] Re: reply with password

2002-04-16 Thread Daniel Pittman
On Tue, 16 Apr 2002, Ward Vandewege wrote: > I'm looking at implementing SA. Y'all are looking to do it in the wrong place, I think. > One feature that would be essential is an automatic 'reply with > password' to messages that are tagged as Spam. This feature is available through other packa

[SAtalk] Re: How to block these? 寂寞女人來電 (fwd)

2002-04-17 Thread Daniel Pittman
On Thu, 18 Apr 2002, Mark Derricutt wrote: > Hi, I'm seeing ALOT of these pure high ascii spams coming through > lately, and now that I've installed Spam Assassin I'd love to see > these trapped. Are you running the Debian version of SpamAssassin? The Debian package correctly disables the tests

[SAtalk] Re: postfix and spam assassin

2002-04-22 Thread Daniel Pittman
On Mon, 22 Apr 2002, Onie Camara wrote: > I heard lot of good things about spam assassin. My postfix is > configured as a relay server. Can I use spamassasin for the checking > of incoming mail before it's relayed? Yes, and it works very well. If you read the filtering document that came with Po

[SAtalk] Re: postfix and spam assassin

2002-04-23 Thread Daniel Pittman
On Mon, 22 Apr 2002, Mark Lucas wrote: [...rewritten to conform to RFC822...] > "Daniel Pittman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> On Mon, 22 Apr 2002, Onie Camara wrote: >> > I heard lot of good things about spam assassin. My postfix is >> > confi

[SAtalk] Re: postfix and spam assassin

2002-04-23 Thread Daniel Pittman
On Mon, 22 Apr 2002, Onie Camara wrote: > I've got a different setup without any users on my postfix. It's a > relay server. So no local delivery. I hope it's still possible. If you read the FILTER_README that came with Postfix then it will rapidly become clear to you that this, in fact, is compl

[SAtalk] [camelotypo ] TIPOGRAFIA E GADGETS A PREZZIBASSI

2002-04-28 Thread Daniel Pittman
I just got a spam message which was non-English. It got the following hits: hits=4.4 required=5.0 tests=INVALID_MSGID,MSG_ID_ADDED_BY_MTA,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS version=2.20 The big think that I noted on inspection was that this line *didn't* hit "line of yelling" or any of the multiple ! character test

[SAtalk] Re: RATWARE rule and manual vs. GA scores

2002-05-01 Thread Daniel Pittman
On Wed, 1 May 2002, Craig R. Hughes wrote: > Michael C. Berch wrote: > > MCB> I see from the list archives that there have been some > MCB> differences of opinion about RATWARE but it looks like a good > MCB> rule to me, if only the patterns were tighter and the score > MCB> rational. > > I thin

[SAtalk] Re: RATWARE rule and manual vs. GA scores

2002-05-01 Thread Daniel Pittman
On Wed, 1 May 2002, Craig R. Hughes wrote: > Daniel Pittman wrote: > > DP> Break the rule up into individual tests for the different email > DP> packages and let it run. Aside from the better scoring for what is > DP> and isn't a real mail package, this will prob

[SAtalk] Re: RATWARE rule and manual vs. GA scores

2002-05-01 Thread Daniel Pittman
On Wed, 1 May 2002, Craig R. Hughes wrote: > Excellent, I'll slap this in as an eval replacement for PORN_3 right > now. *grin* I should point out that I didn't test that, just verified that it was correct. So, check it before release day. ;) > I knew there was a reason I put up with this pain

[SAtalk] Re: Appending original message as MIME attachment?

2002-05-02 Thread Daniel Pittman
On Thu, 02 May 2002, Matt Sergeant wrote: > Craig R Hughes wrote: >> Yes, see bugzilla #18 which I merged into #130. This is the major >> piece of stuff I'd like to get done for 2.30 -- and I'm actually >> quite motivated to do the coding myself; I have a couple of other >> things I'm probably goi

[SAtalk] Re: [info@informics.com: Your address is on the Internet, next timehide it using these methods]

2002-05-02 Thread Daniel Pittman
On Thu, 2 May 2002, Duncan Findlay wrote: > On Thu, May 02, 2002 at 09:35:58PM -0400, Theo Van Dinter wrote: > > I wonder if this particular spammer has ways around this... Duh. :) Seriously, for a long time now I have been rather irritated at all the people who mangle their email address when

[SAtalk] Re: Appending original message as MIME attachment?

2002-05-03 Thread Daniel Pittman
On 03 May 2002, Matt Sergeant wrote: > On Fri, 2002-05-03 at 00:35, Daniel Pittman wrote: >> On Thu, 02 May 2002, Matt Sergeant wrote: >> > Craig R Hughes wrote: >> >> Yes, see bugzilla #18 which I merged into #130. This is the major >> >> piece of stuf

[SAtalk] Re: Appending original message as MIME attachment?

2002-05-03 Thread Daniel Pittman
On 03 May 2002, Matt Sergeant wrote: > On Fri, 2002-05-03 at 12:31, Daniel Pittman wrote: >> >> Cool. Does it correctly handle cases such as MIME digest messages >> >> containing nested multipart/related and multipart/alternative >> >> content? >> &

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