Re: [issues] ESR's Sex Tips for Geeks (sp: semi-coherent rant)

2001-04-07 Thread Vinnie
On Fri, 6 Apr 2001, Julie wrote: > enough to be my mother and lives in another state ...) and a lesbian > separatist also has kind things to say about some men. Agreed. I didn't mean to suggest that lesbian separatist==man hater either > I don't know about "philosophy" and "practice". I think

Re: [issues] ESR's Sex Tips for Geeks (sp: semi-coherent rant)

2001-04-05 Thread Vinnie
On Thu, 5 Apr 2001, Rick Scott wrote: > [1] I don't think anyone here seriously thinks this, but I'd like > to point it out for the record: lesbian != man-hater, eh? but just to clarify, lesbian separatism is an actual philosophy and practice but most lesbians are not separatists some sep

Re: [issues] ESR's Sex Tips for Geeks

2001-04-03 Thread Vinnie
On Tue, 3 Apr 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Assume this is true. It implies that the method used to get sex, or > girlfriends, or a wife, etc.. is programmatic. I.e. this things are > predictable and can be behaviourally controlled, and that humans can be > trained to do them. This is a d

Re: [issues] ESR's Sex Tips for Geeks

2001-04-03 Thread Vinnie
On Sun, 1 Apr 2001, Rick Scott wrote: > Seeing as I know a lot of people (myself included) don't read > Slashdot on anything approaching a regular basis, I was wondering > if anyone had anything to say about: > > http://tuxedo.org/~esr/writings/sextips/ since no one else has taken this one up.

[issues] K5

2001-03-22 Thread Vinnie
http://www.kuro5hin.org/?op=displaystory&sid=2001/3/1/154933/1604 V. ___ issues mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/issues

Re: [issues] Re: issues digest, Vol 1 #114 - 17 msgs

2001-03-21 Thread Vinnie
On Thu, 22 Mar 2001, Simon Britnell wrote: > I don't recall seeing anything I thought was a troll, which makes me think > that some of my posts may be considered trolls. That may predate you, too. I remember one person (definetly not you, he knows who he is though) who actually asked why wome

Re: [issues] To vaccinate or not to vaccinate?

2001-01-29 Thread Vinnie
On Mon, 29 Jan 2001, lou wrote: > were outbreaks of polio, I remember hearing about them in the news at the > time. I know many don't like the idea about vaccinations, but the diseases > are still out there. I don't think anyone (resonable, at least..I'll grant that there's at least one guy ou

Re: [issues] To vaccinate or not to vaccinate?

2001-01-29 Thread Vinnie
On Sat, 27 Jan 2001, Magni Onsoien wrote: > After reading more about this issue I tend to feel that parents who, for > no proved health reason (like immune deficiency), except their children > from the vaccination programme are terribly irresponsible. Giving the > recommended immunization to the

Re: [issues] Re; modesty?

2001-01-25 Thread Vinnie
On Thu, 25 Jan 2001, Wood, Mary wrote: > not what he does know]). I blame mostly social standards, as > I also believe that **in general** most people are sheep and > will blindly eat whatever the ruling class feeds them. Kind > of a pessimistic view I know ... perhaps I've just happened > to

Re: [issues] Re; modesty?

2001-01-25 Thread Vinnie
On Thu, 25 Jan 2001, Wood, Mary wrote: > ***GENERALIZATION WARNING*** > In a lot of ways, I feel that the biggest obstacle women > have to overcome to achieve equal status is the female > gender en masse. For every one of us who is honest and > confident about her abilities, there seems to be a

[issues] modesty?

2001-01-23 Thread Vinnie
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Re: [issues] interesting book, gender identity disorder

2000-11-22 Thread Vinnie
ing book. I have Kate Millet's address, and keep meaning to write her (I read _The_Last_Time_I_Wore_a_Dress_ last february, and it's been on my todo list since then..bad vinnie). She also has written quite a bit of feminist analysis that I keep meaning to read. Ah well. V. ___ issues mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/issues

Re: [issues] the pain of finding clothes that work

2000-11-16 Thread Vinnie
On Thu, 16 Nov 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Yes, but I /do/ that. I buy two or three pairs of pants a year - and > wear them till they're just about dead in the crotch then buy another > two or three pairs. The previous year's set will do for emergencies till > they die completely, by which ti

Re: [issues] the pain of finding clothes that work

2000-11-16 Thread Vinnie
On Wed, 15 Nov 2000, Julie wrote: > It's 45" (114cm) from my waist to the damned floor and I have a hard > time buying pants with the correct rise. duh question: have you tried men's pants? I'm one of those ridculously short people with a short waist (I'm not sure why they call it that, since t

Re: [issues] names [was: Anyone know any more about this study?]

2000-08-11 Thread Vinnie
On Thu, 10 Aug 2000, srl wrote: > Then again, some of us *choose* names that will deliberately confuse > people. ;) I'd rather play with people's assumptions about what "male" > and "female" mean. What better way for someone to question their > assumptions about gender than for them to assume I'm

Re: [issues] obscuring gender

2000-08-11 Thread Vinnie
On Fri, 11 Aug 2000, Jennifer Steinbachs wrote: > On the other hand, does one really want to hide behind > initials? And then, sooner or later, people will know > the name that goes with those initials... Definetly, but most people, most of the time, are working on unconcious bias. While there

Re: [issues] RE: issues digest, Vol 1 #53 - 4 msgs

2000-08-11 Thread Vinnie
On Fri, 11 Aug 2000, Alexander Sendzimir wrote: > Don't you think gender-neutral naming is a patch/bandaid on the > greater issue of stereotype and bias? This is not a critisism. I'm > making an observation. Absolutely. But I also think that letting people make their assumptions (based on stere

Re: [issues] names [was: Anyone know any more about this study?]

2000-08-09 Thread Vinnie
On Wed, 9 Aug 2000, Annette Stroud wrote: > He thinks that random adults who meet him treat him better if > they think he is a girl; they have different expectations. Weird. I've found the opposite...I get more respect as a 12 y/o boy than as a 22 year old female. As if for some reason if I'm f

Re: [issues] names [was: Anyone know any more about this study?]

2000-08-09 Thread Vinnie
have been polarised into "boy names" and "girl names". What do we do with > the left over names like Chris, Kelly, etc? one of these days I'm going to change my name to something a bit more gender neutral (well, *I* think 'Jordan Dakota Catron' is gender neutral..

Re: [issues] Anyone know any more about this study?

2000-08-08 Thread Vinnie
On Tue, 8 Aug 2000, Deirdre Saoirse wrote: > (dunno if you noticed, btw, but the person I was responding to had a male > name and I presumed the person was male, not female. I don't think, based > on your reaction, that you were aware of this?) You'd think having a (female)

Re: [issues] Incident on a tram

2000-07-10 Thread Vinnie
er this goal :) though I'll grant, your literalness can be useful Vinnie ___ issues mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/issues

Re: [issues] "Female Hackers Battle Sexism [...]"

2000-07-03 Thread Vinnie
7;s that he seems to assume that all women *really* want to have sex with him Vinnie ___ issues mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/issues

[issues] (no subject)

2000-04-20 Thread Vinnie ChassotXDrachen Surmonde
t/secretarial stuff) that I had to wear a dress. Since part of my job was running up and down ladders in the warehouse to get things, this struck me as a really bad idea (tm) -- so I asked him if he'd wear a dress (well he said...) He let me wear a suit and tie with the rest of the guys :P

Re: [issues] PC Manufacturers

1999-11-10 Thread Vinnie Surmonde
On Wed, 10 Nov 1999, curious wrote: > microway (www.microway.com) has good prices, good hardware.. though they > focus mostly on alpha based systems out of curiousity, which part of intel compatible don't you understand? Vinnie [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linuxchix.org

Re: [issues] PC Manufacturers

1999-11-10 Thread Vinnie Surmonde
oops, I should probably check threads next time :P (still, the point stands, since you *were* using microway as an example, earlier. but I think I'll shut up now, since I really am sick of trying to explain this) Vinnie [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linuxchix.org

Re: [issues] MS vs DOJ, etc

1999-11-10 Thread Vinnie Surmonde
been the experience... I dunno..I understand what you mean about malpractice suits -- my mom is a nurse, it does suck that malpractice costs are what they are. The difficulty is finding the balance between holding medical professionals responsible and not bankrupting the good ones... Vinnie On We

Re: [issues] MS/DOJ ruling

1999-11-08 Thread Vinnie Surmonde
ff) > I don't follow you here... blah The attitudes I was speaking of were anti-DOJ/US action against MS, not necessarily how one feels about MS themselves Vinnie -- Reality is a formality, an agreed upon set of lies -- J.D. Catron Obligatory pathetic website at http://george.he.net/~drachen

Re: [issues] MS/DOJ ruling

1999-11-08 Thread Vinnie Surmonde
t.. I'm Yeah, but that's not important in this debate (the point is that yes, they are a monopoly, but it's not related to the MS case) Vinnie -- Reality is a formality, an agreed upon set of lies -- J.D. Catron Obligatory pathetic website at http://george.he.net/~dra

Re: [issues] MS/DOJ ruling

1999-11-08 Thread Vinnie Surmonde
how is this self > defense? it's not...I never said it was...I said that MS was not defending itself against IBM Vinnie [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linuxchix.org

Re: [issues] MS/DOJ ruling

1999-11-08 Thread Vinnie Surmonde
On Mon, 8 Nov 1999, curious wrote: > If OS/2 was marketable enough of a product... it wouln't have had to be > dumpted... however Microsoft's marketing unfortunatly won... I'm surprised > your being so defensive of IBM... if any company could be acused of being > strong armed against compeditors.

Re: [issues] MS/DOJ ruling

1999-11-08 Thread Vinnie Surmonde
arkets (trains/postal) are limited to the government, rather than limited *by* the government. Vinnie -- Reality is a formality, an agreed upon set of lies -- J.D. Catron Obligatory pathetic website at http://george.he.net/~drachen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linuxchix.org

Re: [issues] MS/DOJ ruling

1999-11-08 Thread Vinnie Surmonde
ssion, out of email > wheee kill all the white people (kidding :) ) huh? > ahh bugs.. probably the most advanced creature in terms of darwanism.. > they survive anything.. yet are so low on the chain... > and with the advent of computers.. a whole new species of bugs have come &

Re: [issues] MS/DOJ ruling

1999-11-08 Thread Vinnie Surmonde
ca we have > enforced passenger railroad compitition... I'm so glad that If I decided > that Amtrack was doing a horrible job I could compete with them.. or > heck.. if I wanted to start a mail system to compete with the us postal > system.. ahhh yes... I'm soo glad we have these

Re: [issues] Why women should have equality/equivilency

1999-11-08 Thread Vinnie Surmonde
I don't think it was is because I know you, from anyone else I'd just assume trollishness) Can anyone else make this clearer? I get the feeling I'm missing the point. > but they are all diffrent.. but they are all individuals! Vinnie -- Reality is a formal

Re: [issues] MS/DOJ ruling

1999-11-08 Thread Vinnie Surmonde
rate' decisions -- i.e. if I, Vinnie, choose to break a law, I, Vinnie, get punished. If a corporation breaks a law (meaning the people behind the corporation) the corporation gets smacked (and it's rather limited what you can do...often times fines don't even make a dent in the increase

[issues] Why women should have equality/equivilency

1999-11-08 Thread Vinnie Surmonde
the difficulties of proving a negative are well documented. And that still showed a lack of tact (which I know is pointless to complain to you about, but you *really* ought to start thinking about that) > exactly :) well then why were you asking which men? It was clear she meant all of the

Re: [issues] MS/DOJ ruling

1999-11-08 Thread Vinnie Surmonde
olks complain when it puts a few rules on it, even though the humans have many many rules on them... I did tell you I figured out that I could stomach a lassie faire free enterprise system if the government got completely out and no longer allowed business owners to hide behind their 'corpora

Re: [issues] Re: UF -- long, think piece

1999-11-08 Thread Vinnie Surmonde
id, and you're male, and the two may not have much to do with eachother :P > hmmm what is wrong with having a male "ruled" world? and why should women > have equal rights? Um..dear, one of the first rules of using vinnie tactics is a little thing called 'timing' -- th

Re: [issues] alienation (was: Places, issues, etc)

1999-11-02 Thread Vinnie Surmonde
;t know how to get from here to there..I was thinking on the plane about how the human ability to generalize (i.e. to see a class of 'tree' as opposed /this object with leaves/ and /that object with leaves/) gives us so much, but screws us over with people this was going somewhere, but

Re: [issues] Automatic associations

1999-11-01 Thread Vinnie Surmonde
clear we're related -- we have the same basic facial and body types, but I have my father's colouring) Vinnie -- Reality is a formality, an agreed upon set of lies -- J.D. Catron Obligatory pathetic website at http://george.he.net/~drachen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linuxchix.org

Re: [issues] Something I've observed

1999-11-01 Thread Vinnie Surmonde
rl scouts or womens-clubs-at-church, not to mention a billion different mailing lists, etc... I'm not a lawyer, though, and I don't have the time to go play one right now..anyone with real legal experience have a comment? :) Vinnie -- Reality is a formality, an agreed upon set of lies

Re: [issues] /. (again!)

1999-10-27 Thread Vinnie Surmonde
eans I have to read at something under 2 which takes so much annoying *time* ) > You're assuming that they were actually posted by women. heh. Vinnie -- Reality is a formality, an agreed upon set of lies -- J.D. Catron Obligatory pathetic website at http://george.he.net/~drachen

Re: [issues] /. (again!)

1999-10-27 Thread Vinnie Surmonde
own comments [I have *never* been moderated up, something which amuses me...I dunno, maybe I really am that pointless]) blah, I'm babbling now. Vinnie On Wed, 27 Oct 1999, Nicole wrote: > > but has anyone noticed the poll? > > > > I'd be annoyed, if I weren't so b

[issues] /. (again!)

1999-10-27 Thread Vinnie Surmonde
;t so busy (what I wanna know is how comments like 'big honkin' penis' get moderated up to two...) Vinnie -- Reality is a formality, an agreed upon set of lies -- J.D. Catron Obligatory pathetic website at http://george.he.net/~drachen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linuxchix.org

Re: [issues] Re: Responsible Aults RANT=.2

1999-10-26 Thread Vinnie Surmonde
On Tue, 26 Oct 1999, J B wrote: > I was always taught that a woman's place was wherever she wanted to beof > course my mother was one of the first feministshe had the picture of the > woman peeing in the urinal on her bathroom wall in the mid 70's.... exactly Vin

Re: [issues] Re: Responsible Aults RANT=.2

1999-10-26 Thread Vinnie Surmonde
'women's work' -- and again, if a particular set of individuals don't mind that, then that's fine -- it just shouldn't be considered the one right way.. Vinnie -- Reality is a formality, an agreed upon set of lies -- J.D. Catron Obligatory pathetic website at http:/

Re: [issues] Flame war - after action report & apologies

1999-10-26 Thread Vinnie Surmonde
looking for a therapist) > Society encourages a lot of things we dislike. Just remember that we're > all part of the society, even the outsiders. What I'm trying to say > here is: I have seen the enemy and it is us. Yeah, mobs are different from individuals, and that gets confusing, darn it! :) Vinnie -- Reality is a formality, an agreed upon set of lies -- J.D. Catron Obligatory pathetic website at http://george.he.net/~drachen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linuxchix.org

Re: [issues] Slashdot on meeting women

1999-10-25 Thread Vinnie Surmonde
ese are all the things that need to be done. I'll do all of these if you'll do all of these' -- being read into the artical.. This was my /. quote today, though..it's bad when you find yourself wondering if a random database was trolling :) > The duration of passion is pr

Re: [issues] Slashdot on meeting women

1999-10-25 Thread Vinnie Surmonde
personal lives than public lives, I guess... hmm..am I missing something? Vinnie (not living up to the rfl name? :) ) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linuxchix.org

Re: [issues] How not to attract geeks

1999-10-21 Thread Vinnie Surmonde
it's weekly world news, isn't that synonymous? :) Vinnie On Thu, 21 Oct 1999, Blackjax wrote: > http://www.weeklyworldnews.com/stories/1476.html > > > I certainly hope this is a joke. > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linuxchix.org

Re: [issues] Screenshots (long)

1999-10-21 Thread Vinnie Surmonde
le very often or both. You can always try to use it to > transfer their interest where you want it to. It quite often > works. Also if you reverse the sexes. Um. what country do you live in? And can I move there? Being *female* causes (for some definition of cause that isn't exactly causitive

Re: [issues] Screenshots

1999-10-20 Thread Vinnie Surmonde
src=shots/939550509.jpg In other words, if I want to see adult themes, and there are random porno shots in the screen shots, that's one thing...If I want to see music et al, that's a totally different thing... It's not exactly about whether or I want to see it -- it's about the

Re: [issues] Screenshots

1999-10-20 Thread Vinnie Surmonde
r there (which is rarely) usually the second or third one I click on does but then the laws of probability don't tend to apply much to me or something :) I posted up two..you might try music (which I know one is from) also, there was one in computers somewhere...but I don't think it w

RE: [issues] Screenshots

1999-10-20 Thread Vinnie Surmonde
club, so I think we're still technically here, but we are drifting... if deb would like, I imagine we could move this to grrltalk Vinnie -- Reality is a formality, an agreed upon set of lies -- J.D. Catron Obligatory pathetic website at http://george.he.net/~drachen [EM

Re: [issues] Screenshots

1999-10-20 Thread Vinnie Surmonde
an be. we'll see..I lack time in large ways Not to mention I just finally got X recompiled on my box, and I'm working with some serious hardware limitations right now... Vinnie -- Reality is a formality, an agreed upon set of lies -- J.D. Catron Obligatory pathetic website at http://george.he.net/~drachen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linuxchix.org

Re: [issues] Screenshots

1999-10-20 Thread Vinnie Surmonde
ging up 'maybe it would be better to *not* include scantily clad women in your screenshots' and 'you will go to jail if you put scantily clad women in your screenshots' Vinnie -- Reality is a formality, an agreed upon set of lies -- J.D. Catron Obligatory pathetic website at http:

Re: [issues] Screenshots

1999-10-20 Thread Vinnie Surmonde
rious idiots I encountered in one seattle day... :) ) And it's not just segregation of themes -- the idea of adult themes having adult pics in their screenshots is one thing, and isn't particularly interesting to me right this moment...it's that the other themes do, too... Vinnie (

Re: [issues] Screenshots

1999-10-20 Thread Vinnie Surmonde
tie in -- in that it is a bad thing and it can't (or at least shoudln't) be dealt with with censorship..the question being what to do about it... sorry if this isn't making a whole hell of a lot of sense, I quit smoking yesterday and now my head hurts and I can't seem to get t

Re: [issues] Mime-Version: 1.0

1999-10-08 Thread Vinnie Surmonde
and stuff :) (deb would you be cool with that? I can't imagine not, but I should probably ask :) )? Vinnie -- Reality is a formality, an agreed upon set of lies -- J.D. Catron Obligatory pathetic website at http://george.he.net/~drachen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linuxchix.org

Re: [issues] Re: games for girls

1999-10-06 Thread Vinnie Surmonde
eek make sense -- I mean, they might have made sense if we were talking about linus's pecs or something but I couldn't make sense of them in light of the fact that all of the topics were intelligent, though not necessarily geek related... Vinnie (stating the obvious?) -- Reality is a formal