On Tue, 26 Oct 1999, Simon Britnell wrote:
> be there, but couldn't see a way to cut the emotion, so I just labelled
> it "hazardous content" and left it.
For what it's worth, I thought it was a fair way of handling the
situation. My definition of flaming includes the attack being redirected
at people rather than ideas, so I didn't really think we went there.
<shrug> I imagine we could debate the definition of flame, but I don't
consdier it that important :P
> I agree, but I never argue with anyone when I'd be just as happy to hide
> their body :) (no, I haven't ever done that). You can't reason with the
> unreasonable.
<chuckle>
friends help you move
real friends help you move...bodies
> I don't think Robs article is bad reasoning per'se. I think probably
> more based on poor assumptions. In some cases, maybe even the
> assumptions aren't that poor. People live in relationships I wouldn't
> dream of. Whos to say nobodys happy in an "engineered" one.
True enough. Heck, I'm told women even date men sometimes <gdrlh!>
(yes, that really was a joke)
> 1) Do difficult things you value rather than easy things you enjoy.
> Trying to make myself happy never worked. It wasn't until I started
> doing things I admired that life got better.
absolutely :) There is definetly a difference between living and *living*,
and for me, if I"m not doing the latter, the former is truly
pointless...(unfortunetly it makes for a life story no one will believe :P
) One of my favorite poems is 'Curiousity' by Alister Reid (I may have
mispelled any of those words except 'by' :) ) -- good stuff to live by.
> 2) Talk to ambulance people about failed suicides. The percentage of
> suicide attempts that make a mistake and end up maiming themselves
> instead is suprising. I don't fear death. Disability is another
> matter.
That, and the fact that a botched suicide attempt may very well mean being
locked up and drugged again. Life is definetly not worth living without
freedom.
Mostly I won't allow myself to kill myself because of the consequences
should I not succeed (being locked up and drugged, plus any after effects)
and because I am not making anyone tell nathan (my bson) that is idiot
bmother killed herself. This would be bad.
> imho, the person who gives you the most sh*t is yourself. Cultural
> norms are insidious like that. Nobody gives me any crap about not
> wanting to settle down and raise a family except me. I still think it's
> "cultural conditioning" that's responsible, but I'm still the one
> dishing out the angst.
Sort of -- a lot of cultural conditioning does lead to that. As I said
above though, there are those who are rather vocal about making *everyone*
toe thier line, and there are a number of people who will give you shit
(of course, since I cut my hair last night, I"m getting more shit than
usual...something about having a fade apparently screams 'dyke' to right
wing idiots in a way that having merely short hair does not..on one hand,
I've only gotten two comments today..OTOH, I really don't want to hear
any! :) )
> I'm not entirely sure how one goes about taking care of oneself
> emotionally. I introspect a lot, but it doesn't necessarily make me
> happy.
Yeah. If you ever figure it out, be sure to give me the clue, too :P I
spend way too much time introspecting, and occasionaly wonder if it's part
of my problem. Lately I've just been trying to take care of myself
physically and things have looked a little better, but it's too soon for
me to trust that it's going to stay better (I can be such a pessemist at
times :) )
> Therapy is over-rated. The nurturers in these cases get depressed
> because they think they're failing.
Not to mention bad therapy can be worse than no therapy at all.
And sometimes it's really hard to tell a bad therapist if one is already
having problems (and if one wasn't, then one probably wouldn't be looking
for a therapist)
> Society encourages a lot of things we dislike. Just remember that we're
> all part of the society, even the outsiders. What I'm trying to say
> here is: I have seen the enemy and it is us.
Yeah, mobs are different from individuals, and that gets confusing, darn
it! :)
Vinnie
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