*** note
This is long. This is really long. most of this is response
to brenden, don't publically so that no one can claim that I flamed him to
a crisp in private. There are a few bits that I want to post for public
thought, but I'm going to edit them out
On Sun, 24 Oct 1999, Brendan/Coolian wrote:
> too. With my female friends, my feelings are "cerebral", nothing is a
> shared experience, just shared feelings about things. I have to find out
> everything about a woman before I know if she and I connect on all
> levels. Because I have to anal
On Sun, 24 Oct 1999, Brendan/Coolian wrote:
> Christ, if one more person didn't pick up on my attempts at riling up a few
> people, I was going to die...I'm trying to stir SOMETHING upBut All
maybe you could be the person to reveal some of your issues instead of
brow beating others into yo
> Alright! Grab it and go!
> Christ, if one more person didn't pick up on my attempts at riling up a few
> people, I was going to die...I'm trying to stir SOMETHING upBut All
> I've gotten are a few poor attempts at "I can show how wonderfully perfect
> I am"
Do me a huge favour and stop
Brendan/Coolian wrote:
>
> >Do you honestly think that sexism doesn't exist? Or that it does but it
> >is not a problem worth talking about? You have not stated this sentiment
> >in so many words, but you do seem to be expressing it. Is this intended?
Ok. I'm going to say all this again.
>
> > Haven't seen any.
>
>I posted links. Short of going over to your place, booting up your
>computer and opening the damn things myself, I'm not sure how much more
>you want me to do.
Please do. While you're at it, could you possibly try to configure the
network on COL for me? It's a real bi
>Funny. Seems to me that the 'issues' list is built to "discuss the larger
>abstract theoretical/philosophical issues related to Linux, the Open Source
>Movement, Women & Technology, etc"
>
>I do have actual problems to talk about. Salinity levels in the most arable
>land in Australia threatening
> > God, how I wish a few of you people had ACTUAL problems to Talk about...
>
>Nice how you made it into an "us" (which would be you) vs. "them" (the
>women on this list) issue, isn't it?
Just speaking to the authors, not the majority. There wasn't anything
meant to offend the majority of bro
> > > Millions have problems with spontaneously mutating into dogs, deny it
> and
> > > you're just part of the cover-up, man!
> >
> > Would you like to offer some proof that 'millions are spontaneiously
> > mutating into dogs'?
>
>I think you missed that he's saying we're all bitches. ;)
>If
On Sat, 23 Oct 1999, Dakota Surmonde wrote:
> > Millions have problems with spontaneously mutating into dogs, deny it and
> > you're just part of the cover-up, man!
>
> Would you like to offer some proof that 'millions are spontaneiously
> mutating into dogs'?
I think you missed that he's sayi
On Sat, 23 Oct 1999, Brendan/Coolian wrote:
> >the (big) problem is that there are a lot of
> >not-necessarily-purposeful-or-noticed-by-most-of-the-community issues that
> >make the community less 'safe' for women...
>
> God, how I wish a few of you people had ACTUAL problems to Talk about...
N
Brendan/Coolian wrote:
>
> >the (big) problem is that there are a lot of
> >not-necessarily-purposeful-or-noticed-by-most-of-the-community issues that
> >make the community less 'safe' for women...
>
> God, how I wish a few of you people had ACTUAL problems to Talk about...
Funny. Seems to me
On Sat, 23 Oct 1999, Brendan/Coolian wrote:
> God, how I wish a few of you people had ACTUAL problems to Talk about...
How is this not an *actual* problem?
> Millions have problems with spontaneously mutating into dogs, deny it and
> you're just part of the cover-up, man!
Would you like to of
On Sat, 23 Oct 1999, Brendan/Coolian wrote:
> >the (big) problem is that there are a lot of
> >not-necessarily-purposeful-or-noticed-by-most-of-the-community issues that
> >make the community less 'safe' for women...
>
> God, how I wish a few of you people had ACTUAL problems to Talk about...
I
Brendan --
Do you honestly think that sexism doesn't exist? Or that it does but it
is not a problem worth talking about? You have not stated this sentiment
in so many words, but you do seem to be expressing it. Is this intended?
Cat
On Sat, 23 Oct 1999, Brendan/Coolian wrote:
>
> >the (bi
>the (big) problem is that there are a lot of
>not-necessarily-purposeful-or-noticed-by-most-of-the-community issues that
>make the community less 'safe' for women...
God, how I wish a few of you people had ACTUAL problems to Talk about...
>the (smaller) problem is that when they are brought u
On Wed, 20 Oct 1999, Brendan/Coolian wrote:
> Those should be categorized under adult for anything involving unclad
> bodies...Lump it into the Adult category, and then subdivide for
> "scantily-clad, nude, sex"
that doens't solve for the problem...I'm just revisiting this because you
said tha
While I agree that having a bunch of screenshots showing semi-clad
women can be unwelcoming, I do not think they should be done with.
After all, these are their idea of a cool theme, right? So, the
women (or gay men, etc.) should come up with their own themes.
Ones that would be more pleasing to t
On Sat, 23 Oct 1999, Jernej Zajc wrote:
> Ingrid Schupbach wrote:
>
> Firstly, I didn't suggest you change it into a male nick.
> I for one have a neutral one.
> But to the point.
> If I give you some advice which is evidently able only to
> cure the symptoms I don't expect to get strong-worde
Warning: -horribly- long post though I've tried to snip sections.
I've been reading the entire thread but have been too busy to get
involved, much as I would have liked to, until now. For the record,
I am in agreement with those who see this as more an issue of context
than content. I have no
Dakota Surmonde wrote:
>
> On Sat, 23 Oct 1999, Jernej Zajc wrote:
> > If you can't accept that pin-ups can not be looked at as
> > objectification then please be honest and write down that
> > the subject is simply not debatable for you.
>
> Yes and no. So far the only thing that I can totally
On Sat, 23 Oct 1999, Jernej Zajc wrote:
> Your militant stand seems to stand on your way of clear sight.
> Please don't take this as offense. You are evidently not
> overexaggerating but rather seeing evil in a suggestion that
> was not offered as good one or the right one or any ultimate
> solut
Jernej Zajc wrote:
(stuff removed)
> And BTW, if you don't let be hurt you cannot be. Admittedly
> this is not easy but it is possible. This also is only a
> suggestion, but you could try it before flaming me back
> again for it not being an option for you.
>
> Nejc
>
> --
> ''Share and Enjoy.
On Sat, 23 Oct 1999, Jernej Zajc wrote:
> Vinnie Surmonde wrote:
> > First, I consider that response different from 'Well if you walk down a
> > street in a short skirt after dark aren't you asking for it?' only in
> > degree.
>
> Your militant stand seems to stand on your way of clear sight.
:
Vinnie Surmonde wrote:
>
> On Thu, 21 Oct 1999, Jernej Zajc wrote:
> >
> > What about changing your nick?
>
> First, I consider that response different from 'Well if you walk down a
> street in a short skirt after dark aren't you asking for it?' only in
> degree.
Your militant stand seems to s
Ingrid Schupbach wrote:
>
> On Thu, 21 Oct 1999, Jernej Zajc wrote:
> >
> > What about changing your nick?
>
> Changing my nick is not an option. I am proud of who I am; I am proud to
> be a female linux user. If it's true that women get treated badly on
> occasion by male linux users, why is
Deirdre Saoirse wrote:
>
>
> For some reason, I'm reminded of the guy who, in the mid-70s, left his
> convertible with the top down and the lights on. On the bumper was the
> sticker "no fat chicks." Until I saw the sticker, I would normally have
> turned his lights off.
This in turn reminds me
> do you think he really knew the pictures made some people uncomfortable?
>
> in some really ignorant stupid way, some men think those pictures are "art."
>
> They also seem to think that by plastering babes up ("classy" ones, like
> models), people will get the impression that they're desirable
On Fri, 22 Oct 1999, Deidre L. Calarco wrote:
> Actually, it just tends to make me lose respect. I helped out a local
> developer with his computer network as a favor to my boss. I walked into
> his otherwise very nice office and saw framed pics of swimsuit models on the
> walls. My first reac
Rikki McGinty wrote:
>
> do you think he really knew the pictures made some people uncomfortable?
>
> in some really ignorant stupid way, some men think those pictures are "art."
>
> They also seem to think that by plastering babes up ("classy" ones, like
> models), people will get the impressi
Terri Oda wrote:
>
> > Vinnie ( a little tired of being called 'PC' <- which in most cases is
> > meaningless and is generally not something I self-identify as, every
> > frickin' time she challenges the damn status quo)
>
> Well, better to be called PC than "too sensitive" -- I get that one pre
x27;re desirable (the men
putting them up i mean).
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On
> Behalf Of Deidre L. Calarco
> Sent: Friday, October 22, 1999 3:22 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [issues] Screenshots - on
> I feel a distinctly
> unfriendly atmosphere if I walk into a place that has girlie pictures all
> over the walls. I do not think that most places (unless clearly
> demarcated) that are inviting to both males and females generally have
> adult pictures plastered up.
>
> Cat
Actually, it just te
> Vinnie ( a little tired of being called 'PC' <- which in most cases is
> meaningless and is generally not something I self-identify as, every
> frickin' time she challenges the damn status quo)
Well, better to be called PC than "too sensitive" -- I get that one pretty
often when I complain tha
On Fri, 22 Oct 1999, Steve Kudlak wrote:
> And I can see all the points, of how it is nice not to be looked at by a
> single metric or measure "(s)he's cute..." Although I guess I am not hit
> on all that much seriously, so I tended to see someone's advances to me,
> in a positive or amusing ligh
Hmm...on the topic of 'demoralizing' screenshots and locker room antics...
- I think if someone has demoralizing views of the opposite sex, those views were
probably put in
place long before they started picking their KDE backgrounds. I don't really have a
strong opinion
either way when it come
On Fri, 22 Oct 1999, Caitlyn Martin wrote:
> > Ok, PC being taken too far.
>
> Umm... no, it's not. By calling most of the women who object to your posts
> "PC", you're being dismissive, both to them and the points they are trying
> to make.
Good point Caitlin, thanks.
> > I am a male, I was
On Fri, 22 Oct 1999, J B wrote:
>
> God, I can't stand people who just want to pretend they're as PC as
> possible. We need more nekkid men to even things up. No problem here.
>
>
> SCREW PC.we are debilitating our society with the wishy-washy, no stand
> taking, no issue addressing BUL
> Well I have seen that sort of thing in the collegiate atmosphere. As in Dorm
> Rooms, and it was weird it seemed in California to concentrate in systems,
> not according to sex as much. It went up if you went to the State College
> system, and less in the UC System. Now I am "globalizing a bit"
On Fri, 22 Oct 1999 09:23:19 -0500, Aaron Malone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
>hehe... you mean after ranting about Malda's ego and bad journalism,
>you still post there?
Not recently. :)
Kelly
[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linuxchix.org
Kelly Lynn Martin wrote:
>
> On Thu, 21 Oct 1999 23:54:38 -0400, Brendan/Coolian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
>
> >Oh, hell. It's amazing how quickly people want to fly off the handle
> >on a crusade. My comment was trying to remind you that this is
> >America and it sucks sometimes...
It is?
On Fri, Oct 22, 1999 at 09:28:38AM -0500, Kelly Lynn Martin wrote:
> Kelly (and, yes, nearly all of my slashdot articles get moderated up
> to at least a 2...)
hehe... you mean after ranting about Malda's ego and bad journalism, you
still post there? ;)
--
Aaron Malone ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
System
On Thu, 21 Oct 1999 23:54:38 -0400, Brendan/Coolian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
>Oh, hell. It's amazing how quickly people want to fly off the handle
>on a crusade. My comment was trying to remind you that this is
>America and it sucks sometimes...
And this is why we should just sit around and i
On Thu, 21 Oct 1999 22:40:44 -0500, Aaron Malone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
>Better statement: ./ with a comment threshold of 2 or 3 represents
>the geek/linux community. At least, that part of it with which I'm
>familiar.
More accurately, it represents that subset that is sufficiently
literate
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Brendan said:
> I was "in" a quilting circle with an uncle
>once...
Oh please. This reminds me of the time
I had one of my high school students
tell me that he missed his math test
because he was nursing a friend through
the bubonic plague. ;-)
[EMAIL PRO
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Steve Kudlak wrote:
> > I wrote:
> > > 2. I was unclear with 'primarily interested in sex (or mate location)'. No,
> > > I was not saying that are the same activity, but they are the two primary
> > > goals of people at a certain stage of life.
>
> > Brief Answer, wel
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Steve Kudlak wrote:
> >
> > Brendan/Coolian wrote:
> >
> > > > My dad gave me some advice once on how to handle people that
> > > >treated me differently because of who I was,"Screw 'em." If you
> > >
> > > WaitI think I feel somethingyes...It's a smile.
Brendan said:
> I was "in" a quilting circle with an uncle
>once...
Oh please. This reminds me of the time
I had one of my high school students
tell me that he missed his math test
because he was nursing a friend through
the bubonic plague. ;-)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linu
> Ok, PC being taken too far.
Umm... no, it's not. By calling most of the women who object to your posts
"PC", you're being dismissive, both to them and the points they are trying
to make.
> That seems like a rather "looking-for-a-fight" remark.
Funny, that's how I've seen many of your posts.
>
> >"Yes, I *am* in technical support. No, there isn't somebody more
> >knowledgeable you can talk to."
>
>
> That stinks. But I know the feeling. For me, it has nothing to do with
> gender. It's from the tone of voice...That vacant "I'm reading from a
> script" kind of voice
That wasn't the
God, I can't stand people who just want to pretend they're as PC as
possible. We need more nekkid men to even things up. No problem here.
SCREW PC.we are debilitating our society with the wishy-washy, no stand
taking, no issue addressing BULLSHIT!
__
Steve Kudlak wrote:
> I wrote:
> > 2. I was unclear with 'primarily interested in sex (or mate location)'. No,
> > I was not saying that are the same activity, but they are the two primary
> > goals of people at a certain stage of life.
> Brief Answer, well it's sort of brief. Well one thing that
Steve Kudlak wrote:
>
> Brendan/Coolian wrote:
>
> > > My dad gave me some advice once on how to handle people that
> > >treated me differently because of who I was,"Screw 'em." If you
> >
> > WaitI think I feel somethingyes...It's a smile.
> >
> > Good post. More toughness instead
Nicole Zimmerman wrote:
> > I find that to be a rather sexist remark!
> >
> > *smile*
> > God, I can't stand people who just want to pretend they're as PC as
> > possible. We need more nekkid men to even things up. No problem here.
>
> neither theme has nekkid anything...
>
> the keanu theme
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I've goofed twice in this thread, for which I apologise.
>
> 1. I used 'older, wiser' - I intended 'more mature, wiser' in the sense of
> 'possessed of a greater maturity level'. Apology.
>
> 2. I was unclear with 'primarily interested in sex (or mate location)'. No,
Brendan/Coolian wrote:
> > My dad gave me some advice once on how to handle people that
> >treated me differently because of who I was,"Screw 'em." If you
>
> WaitI think I feel somethingyes...It's a smile.
>
> Good post. More toughness instead of whininess.
>
> Brendan
>
> **
On Thu, 21 Oct 1999, Brendan/Coolian wrote:
> >That seems like a rather sexist remark. Not that quilters are primarily
> >women (I wouldn't know) but that it is a traditional women's craft.
>
> Ok, PC being taken too far.
> That seems like a rather "looking-for-a-fight" remark. Sometimes a ciga
> I find that to be a rather sexist remark!
>
> *smile*
> God, I can't stand people who just want to pretend they're as PC as
> possible. We need more nekkid men to even things up. No problem here.
neither theme has nekkid anything...
the keanu theme only shows his face... and the duchovny th
> > > Man, some people are as boring as a quilting circle.
>
>(I deleted the original messages so I'm responding here)
>
>That seems like a rather sexist remark. Not that quilters are primarily
>women (I wouldn't know) but that it is a traditional women's craft.
Ok, PC being taken too far.
That
>well, if you like Keanu Reeves or David Duchovny you can go down load
>the WindowMaker themes I created a few months ago. They're in the
>People category. If you like purple leporad skin, then the Duchovny
>one is a must have.
I find that to be a rather sexist remark!
*smile*
God, I can't s
>I've goofed twice in this thread, for which I apologise.
Don't worry about it. This thread is falling all over itself in its'
search to be the most PC possible. Just go with the flow.
B
[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linuxchix.org
> My dad gave me some advice once on how to handle people that
>treated me differently because of who I was,"Screw 'em." If you
WaitI think I feel somethingyes...It's a smile.
Good post. More toughness instead of whininess.
Brendan
[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.l
>"Yes, I *am* in technical support. No, there isn't somebody more
>knowledgeable you can talk to."
That stinks. But I know the feeling. For me, it has nothing to do with
gender. It's from the tone of voice...That vacant "I'm reading from a
script" kind of voice...
"Sir, load the cd-rom i
> > I guess I've lived a limited life.
>
>Have you been to ANY quilting circle?
Yes, actually. Quilting hurt my fingers...
[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linuxchix.org
> > Try another community section if you don't like the one you're in.
> > You don't go into the red light section of Las Vegas if you're looking for
> > Chucky Cheese. Welcome to America.
>
>What I'd like to say to you is rude and is a flame, so I'll tone it down. I
>will say this: you are a
> > > According to the /. readership reaction described on the
> > > lists a while ago (I havent' read them myself) it is a
> > > waste of time or effort to care about it.
> >
> > Well, to my knowledge they are a fairly good cross section of linux users.
> > And geeks in general.
>
> If the linu
>there is
>no way I could ever get my little old church lady aunts to not comment
>about it. I mean I complained after they found a picture of a friend, his
Good post...but I'm so tired that halfway through reading it...I was
dropping off...
"snore...little old ladydroolsnorepictu
>raised in a little town in Michigan's upper peninsula) tends to see women as
>other people first, and as sex objects only as a secondary thing only if he
Good. We need more of them.
Brendan
[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linuxchix.org
Vinnie Surmonde wrote:
> > According to the /. readership reaction described on the
> > lists a while ago (I havent' read them myself) it is a
> > waste of time or effort to care about it.
>
> Well, to my knowledge they are a fairly good cross section of linux users.
> And geeks in general.
If
I just have to say this:
I deal with sexism, discrimination, injustice, etc. everyday at work.
I'm the only technicial female (and under 21) at my workplace where
only 8% of the staff are female (and most of them are secretaries).
The rest are old, crusty male engineers that don't know
Ingrid Schupbach wrote:
> Further, I wanted to tell you that I emailed one gentleman who advertised
> his background-changing applet with screenshots replete with pin-ups.
> After a bit of email discussion, we decided that I would install his
> applet and send him pictures of my desktop.
Seems l
Steve Kudlak wrote:
> I even find curious
> that polite things like "Scientifc American" describe the looks of
> scientists who are women more than men.
YES!
> I mean
> "Does Linux Promotion have to look like a beer commercial for guys."
This is a serious question, and one which - IMO -
I've goofed twice in this thread, for which I apologise.
1. I used 'older, wiser' - I intended 'more mature, wiser' in the sense of
'possessed of a greater maturity level'. Apology.
2. I was unclear with 'primarily interested in sex (or mate location)'. No,
I was not saying that are the same a
> Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 12:40:31 -0400 (EDT)
> From: Ingrid Schupbach <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: [issues] Screenshots
> Reply-to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> BEWARE! THE MESSAGE BELOW IS AN ANGRY RANT:
>
> I am fed-up with all these
On Thu, 21 Oct 1999, Jernej Zajc wrote:
> > then I
> > believe there needs to be a change in the horny-male-geeks-only atmosphere
> > that's awfully pervasive. I'm tired of being asked whether I'm a
> > perky-breasted-Linux-chick, and I'm tired of endless references to penises
> > and to porn in
On Wed, 20 Oct 1999, Dakota Surmonde wrote:
> see, I don't think nude='adult' (or sexual -- actually, I saw one of my
> favorite calvin and hobbes today -- the one where calvin is looking at
> the movie listings and asks hobbes " 'contains adult situations'? What
> are adult situations?" and hob
On Wed, 20 Oct 1999, Ingrid Schupbach wrote:
> On Wed, 20 Oct 1999, Brendan/Coolian wrote:
>
> > Man, some people are as boring as a quilting circle.
(I deleted the original messages so I'm responding here)
That seems like a rather sexist remark. Not that quilters are primarily
women (I wouldn
On Wed, 20 Oct 1999, Brendan/Coolian wrote:
> > > Man, some people are as boring as a quilting circle. Just categorize the
> >
> >You've obviously never been to some of the quilting cirlce's I've been
>
> I guess I've lived a limited life.
Have you been to ANY quilting circle?
--
_Deirdre
On Thu, 21 Oct 1999, Jernej Zajc wrote:
> Warning: a very long post indeed.
heh. I'm glad to know I'm not the only person prone to those :)
> I'm not sure if it has to be inviting to everyone. Nothing
Hmm..maybe inviting is the wrong word -- how about 'not hostile'?
(BTW, ingrid, I don't mean
wow. hear hear.
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On
> Behalf Of Ingrid Schupbach
> > What about changing your nick?
>
> Changing my nick is not an option. I am proud of who I am; I am proud to
> be a female linux user. If it's true that women ge
> I think it's clearly related to the issue of sexism in Linux
> development circles, which I thought was a major reason for
> LinuxChix.org existing.
Quite. Issues is meant for meta-discussions such as these. If you want
purely technical talk, there's "techtalk", and for random "whatever"
conv
On Thu, 21 Oct 1999, Jernej Zajc wrote:
>
> > I
> > believe there needs to be a change in the horny-male-geeks-only atmosphere
> > that's awfully pervasive. I'm tired of being asked whether I'm a
> > perky-breasted-Linux-chick, and I'm tired of endless references to penises
> > and to porn in L
Warning: a very long post indeed.
Ingrid Schupbach wrote:
>
> [...] If there
> really is a commitment to making Linux inviting to everyone,
I'm not sure if it has to be inviting to everyone. Nothing
ever is and same it is for Linux. The whole effort is
developer-driven and despite KDE and simil
Hi, Brendan,
> Again, I say.
> Try another community section if you don't like the one you're in.
> You don't go into the red light section of Las Vegas if you're looking for
> Chucky Cheese. Welcome to America.
What I'd like to say to you is rude and is a flame, so I'll tone it down. I
will s
At 09:25 AM 10/21/99 +0800, Deidre L. Calarco wrote:
>> Is this a new idea? You get the impression because it's a fact.
>> Men are built this way, it's the whole nature thing.
>
>Actually, I've noticed that some men who grew up somewhat isolated from
>mainstream culture aren't that way. For inst
> Is this a new idea? You get the impression because it's a fact.
> Men are built this way, it's the whole nature thing.
Actually, I've noticed that some men who grew up somewhat isolated from
mainstream culture aren't that way. For instance, my boyfriend (who was
raised in a little town in Mic
Well this is my feelings and not so humble opinion on all of these nice
topics, issues and metaissues. Ok, for one I think and feel this is the
right place to discuss these broad things. I mean especially such issues as
"if Steve makes a page that looks Babe-O-Rama pix to him, with with his
tastes
On Wed, 20 Oct 1999, Brendan/Coolian wrote:
> I guess I've lived a limited life.
That wasn't exactly my point
> Those should be categorized under adult for anything involving unclad
> bodies...Lump it into the Adult category, and then subdivide for
> "scantily-clad, nude, sex"
see, I don
On Wed, 20 Oct 1999 23:27:19 -0400, Brendan/Coolian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
>>I don't buy this. The privilege of degrading women is something
>>that men are taught they have from an early age, not something which
>>men have no choice but to do as a consequence of their genes.
>Amazing that yo
> > Man, some people are as boring as a quilting circle. Just categorize the
>
>You've obviously never been to some of the quilting cirlce's I've been
I guess I've lived a limited life.
> > damn themesNo one can take exception to seeing anything they don't
> want
> > to see then. Issue c
> >uhm, not that this issue isn't fascinating, but is it really that
> >relevant to this mailing list? it's gotten very far away from
> >anything Linux-related.
>
>I think it's clearly related to the issue of sexism in Linux
>development circles, which I thought was a major reason for
>LinuxChix.
>Actually, for a lot of women (and probably a good number of men) a
>quilting circle is not boring in the least. In this discussion
>particularly, I would think it wise to choose your expressions carefully.
Not really...I am treating this discussion like I would any other, with
ease, not stres
> >Is this a new idea? You get the impression because it's a fact. Men
> >are built this way, it's the whole nature thing.
>
>I don't buy this. The privilege of degrading women is something that
>men are taught they have from an early age, not something which men
>have no choice but to do as a
>See that's the great thing about the world. Your idea of tasteful is
>obviously different from mine. I think that's funny as hell. You obviously
>don't :)
I can see the humor...tasteful? Maybe not to me, but the guy/girl who
posted it obviously liked it. Besides, women in scrawny Linux swims
On Wed, 20 Oct 1999 22:30:44 -0400 (EDT), Ingrid Schupbach <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
>I too attend law school, and I too believe freedom of speech is
>incredibly important. But I'm also in favor of speaking out when
>others are being hurtful and thoughtless.
Well, the "free speech market" dep
On Wed, 20 Oct 1999, Brendan/Coolian wrote:
> Man, some people are as boring as a quilting circle.
Actually, for a lot of women (and probably a good number of men) a
quilting circle is not boring in the least. In this discussion
particularly, I would think it wise to choose your expressions c
On Wed, 20 Oct 1999, Kelly Lynn Martin wrote:
> On Wed, 20 Oct 1999 11:34:26 -0600 (MDT), Sio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
>
> >As a woman, I still really enjoy looking at pretty people. Male AND
> >female. Not to mention, when I go to themes.org to look for a theme,
> >I am looking at the THEME,
On Wed, 20 Oct 1999 17:24:01 -0400, Brendan/Coolian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
>Is this a new idea? You get the impression because it's a fact. Men
>are built this way, it's the whole nature thing.
I don't buy this. The privilege of degrading women is something that
men are taught they have
On Wed, 20 Oct 1999 17:44:08 -0400, "Rikki McGinty" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
>uhm, not that this issue isn't fascinating, but is it really that
>relevant to this mailing list? it's gotten very far away from
>anything Linux-related.
I think it's clearly related to the issue of sexism in Linux
de
On Wed, 20 Oct 1999, Brendan/Coolian wrote:
> Man, some people are as boring as a quilting circle. Just categorize the
You've obviously never been to some of the quilting cirlce's I've been
> damn themesNo one can take exception to seeing anything they don't want
> to see then. Issue cl
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