Re: [FRIAM] ???

Gil - Same here...   I don't have any recommendations.   I do have experience with two therapists who I had a good experience with myself but they are not psychDocs and more tuned to my boomer self I think.  I'll ping you offline also. - Steve On 7/30/21 8:40 AM, Gillian Densmore wrote: > ?

Re: [FRIAM] Science fiction query?

Perhaps Stephen Vincent Benét's _Metropolitan Nightmare_ , a prose poem published in 1933, just 4 years after his Pulitzer Prize winning _John Brown's Body_ ? These being the closing lines: /"Say, buddy," he said, "You'd better look out for tho

Re: [FRIAM] for our psychonauts

Nick, et al. - > Reminds me of that period in which people were desperately looking for > something to do with nuclear explosives other than kill one another. Like: > "Let's blow a new hole in the Isthmus of Panama!" Project Plowshares, it was > called. > > Nick Thompson And don't forget ( o

Re: [FRIAM] for our psychonauts

Marcus Daniels wrote: > Don't forget about Mars! LANL physicist Steve Howe was a proponent of plowsharing Rover into a nuclear rocket for Mars with the argument that the radiation exposure to astronauts by the drive was less than the

[FRIAM] off-label technologies, exaptatiion and exponential technological growth.

one who has clearly researched the hell out of the stuff coming at us like a swarm of bugs hitting our windshield (while we proudly outdrive our headlights). > >> On Aug 6, 2021, at 4:52 PM, Steve Smith wrote: >> >>  Marcus Daniels wrote: >>> Don't forget about M

Re: [FRIAM] off-label technologies, exaptatiion and exponential technological growth.

50998056-the-ministry-for-the-future> >> written/published before COVID but not by much.   While it doesn't >> exhaustively discuss every sociopoliticaleconomictechnical response >> to a tumbled gyro of our noo-bio-cryo-sphere of a planet, it covers a >> lot ve

Re: [FRIAM] off-label technologies, exaptatiion and exponential technological growth.

.clarku.edu/nthompson/ > <https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/> > >   > > *From:* Friam *On Behalf Of *Prof David West > *Sent:* Saturday, August 7, 2021 9:49 AM > *To:* friam@redfish.com > *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] off-label technologies, exaptatiion and > exponenti

Re: [FRIAM] off-label technologies, exaptatiion and exponential technological growth.

Marcus - > > The pushback on everything from low wattage lighting to mask mandates > leaves me thinking that there is really only one thing that motivates > certain people:  That they can do whatever the hell they want and, > crucially, that other people cannot.   A living wage infringes on that >

Re: [FRIAM] off-label technologies, exaptatiion and exponential technological growth.

e?   What if one didn’t need a wage at all?  What if you had > to decide for yourself what was worth doing?  Heck, what if one (some > post-human) didn’t even need food and didn’t need to reproduce?   > >   > > *From:* Friam <mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com>> *On Behalf Of

Re: [FRIAM] off-label technologies, exaptatiion and exponential technological growth.

2021, at 6:16 AM, Frank Wimberly > <mailto:wimber...@gmail.com>> wrote: >> >> Gail Tverberg:  does anyone have an opinion about her?  Based on >> her career as an actuary she writes various blog posts and >> articles warning of imminent disasters rel

Re: [FRIAM] Moral collapse and state failure

Jochen - Thanks for the original article reference.   It lead me to seek out and find another interesting /relevant introductory/survey article:     Stability of Democracies:  A Complex Systems Perspective In regards to your original

Re: [FRIAM] Moral collapse and state failure

Pieter - > Your "The Wrong (formerly Right) Wing in the US"  > reminds me of the quote by Larry Elder:  > "Conservatives consider liberals well-intentioned, but misguided. > Liberals consider conservatives not only wrong, but really, really bad > people." This smells strongly of a Strawman charact

Re: [FRIAM] ivermectin, nope

To the extent that many of our individual conditions often described as dis-ease are manifestations of a more spiritual-social-emotional-psychological dis-ease, it shouldn't surprise us that "woo" which addresses (at different levels, and different modes) the latter dis-ease might relieve the sympt

Re: [FRIAM] ivermectin, nope

EricS wrote: > You know what’s fun in this, is the window it gives on the sources of > people’s finding things compelling: what G.C. Rota called “the > unthematized” in his writings on phenomenology (philosopher’s sense, > not science usage). > > If so many Eastern traditions hadn’t built up such

Re: [FRIAM] ivermectin, nope

Eric - >> >> I understand Hydroxychloroquine to have been used widely in >> developing (equatorial) countries as an antiviral (in particular >> Malaria) \ >> > Not antiviral, Steve.  Plasmodium isn’t even a bacterium; it is a > protozoan.  One of us, gooble gobble. yes to protozoan, I shortcut a b

[FRIAM] Metaverse blather

I have been hearing a spike in the use of the term "Metaverse" in popular media.   This article is the first I've read that seemed to have a broad grasp of the phenomena and it's implications.   Many here are "veterans" of some facet of this experience, so I am curious what your experiences/thought

Re: [FRIAM] philosophers

> Except he did not die in Mexico. He is alive and well and living on > Mt. Shasta. Still the curmudgeon and misanthrope he always was. Along with Twain and Whitman I believe.   I tried to find them last time I was in the area but they are as reclusive as the sasquatchii. - . -..-. . -. -..

Re: [FRIAM] philosophers

When I have seen him chatting with them, I believe he addresses them as "Roscoe" and "Luigi", but those may have been transient terms of endearment, not long-term identifiers. > Nick, have you given names to your thumbs? > > On 16 Aug 2021, at 13:53, thompnicks...@gmail.com wrote: > > Two Ugh

Re: [FRIAM] "ZAMM"

Nick - I read it when it was fairly new and I was very young.   The interwebs (I mean, whatever vapid popular culture rode on top of in those days) was aflutter and I was a voracious reader, a motorcycle owner/rider/maintainer, and I was enamored of the idea of eastern mysticism in spite of the ha

Re: [FRIAM] Medical treatments for some or for all

EricS > > Fascist Quorum Sensing When 'Q' emerged in the right wing popular attention, I did make a brief connection with "Quorum" in the sense you reference  it, though more specifically as Bee Swarm/Nest trigger/choice.   Having once been a holder of a DOE 'Q' clearance, the very idea that that

Re: [FRIAM] Medical treatments for some or for all

Parks.  We don’t (unless we work in the area) understand the long > string of events that preceded, and in important ways, led up to Rosa > Parks and made the event she precipitated possible. > > Eric > > >> On Aug 20, 2021, at 10:17 AM, Steve Smith > <mailto:sasm

Re: [FRIAM] "ZAMM"

> >   > > The book does echo some philosophical ideas — of which I doubt > Pirsig was aware — with regard Kata: the correct way of doing > things, of being, of interacting with the world. There is Kata in > Zen. and that is why it is not the Ch'an Buddh

Re: [FRIAM] "ZAMM"

as was the standard practice for many) for all I know.  Similarly, I am not clear on what engagement you may have had with Eastern Philosophy/Spirituality along the way.  Your style as I know you seems to be very "Western" in a very "American" stylization or more aptly perh

Re: [FRIAM] Steaming services

On 8/22/21 8:28 AM, ⛧ glen wrote: > It does both, perhaps counterintuitively. I'd argue it facilitates traffic > between demes/cliques, but inhibits the content of demes/cliques. I am a sucker for local AM radio when traveling... to put my finger on the pulse of the locals, as it were.  What musi

Re: [FRIAM] Eternal questions

> Then Cory Doctorow ponders the other eternal question: is this all > bullshit? > > https://doctorow.medium.com/machine-learnings-crumbling-foundations-bd11efa22b0 > > > -- rec -- After decades at LANL, I'm painf

Re: [FRIAM] Eternal questions

> Argh! > >   > > How we seal ourselves in caves of nonsense! > >   > > And emotion is not something we “have”; it’s something we do. > are you sure it isn't something we *are*? - . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoo

Re: [FRIAM] Kill it!

On 8/24/21 9:05 AM, uǝlƃ ☤>$ wrote: > I'm definitely rooting for the Murder Hornets! Little wimpy bugs need someone > to teach them what it means to be a real bug. These hipster bugs in the PacNW > are a bit sad ... kinda like the self-conscious nerds so popular in movies > and TV lately ... Wo

Re: [FRIAM] Eternal questions

> 'Nick is /having /a fit, just let him be." (I can't speak for other > languages, but I assume there are many others where that would be true.)  > > Nick está teniendo una rabieta...  In Spanish.  Perfectly parallel to > the English version. But if it were more appropriate to say "Nick is *throw

Re: [FRIAM] Eternal questions

On 8/24/21 10:54 AM, uǝlƃ ☤>$ wrote: > I suppose my problem is that I *do* think we can find "the sadness" inside > the brain ... well, not inside the brain, exactly, but inside the *body* ... > well, not *inside* the body but peri-body, localized *at* the body, but > extending out into the bod

Re: [FRIAM] Eternal questions

> > For example if we want a robot that autocharges itself we must create > some sort of "hunger for energy". If we want a robot that protects > itself against physical danger we must provide it with a sense of fear My "Roomba" knockoff autocharges, ceasing it's relentless vacuuming activities to

Re: [FRIAM] Eternal questions

> E.g. when Bob wakes up startled, he interprets the situation into "fear". > But when Sally wakes up startled, she interprets the situation into > "excitement" or some other /a priori/, socially limiting, filter category. Thus my earlier suggestion that "we" "are" our emotions?   Bob *is* his

Re: [FRIAM] On the: RLY!? side

Sarbajit - I've been hoping to hear from you on this topic during this time.  One of the things I most value about this list is the wide geographical distribution of our members, not to mention the handful of cultural outliers such as yourself.   Your own unique positioning in the sociopolitical/t

Re: [FRIAM] Kill it!

tters in the ravine. Scooter sporadically brings home a mouse, mole, or > "little brown bird". But it's pretty rare now that he's pushing 12 or 13. So, > we could say he's an ecologically ethical hunter, even if it's unintentional. > > In the end, thou

Re: [FRIAM] Eternal questions

uǝlƃ ☤>$ > Ouch! Dude. No! 8^D You're committing the same sin Nick commits. I understand that I was being provocative with the specific formulation "we ARE" as if it were an absolute. > To say we "are" our emotions ignores the composition, the algebra by which > parts compose the whole. I agree a

Re: [FRIAM] Eternal questions

he point is the very high order conscious *attention* to lower > order frequencies. Not all is one. There are many parts to > organize. How are they organized? > > On 8/26/21 7:50 AM, Steve Smith wrote: > > > >>  E.g. when Bob wakes up startled, he inte

Re: [FRIAM] On the: RLY!? side

In the spirit of multiple frequencies/scales or qualitative dimensions/modes of aggregation: What about the concern that habituating (and/or coercing) the entire population of first-world (and much of third world) countries to accepting (eagerly?) something which could credibly be as nefarious as

Re: [FRIAM] On the: RLY!? side

We could also deconflate "should" with "needs to be" in the sense that the former is a social/moral judgement while the latter is intended to be held a adaptive system feedback loop? If we consider "stupid" to be all things "maladaptive" then "punishing" those behaviours helps to winnow the popula

Re: [FRIAM] On the: RLY!? side

uǝlƃ ☤>$ wrote: > ... then it's a reasonable heuristic to skip all the extra words and ball up > all their actions and thoughts into the person. I try not to do that. And > based on my ability to have calm, civilized discussions with people who yell > spittle in my face, I think I do OK at it.

Re: [FRIAM] Eternal questions

d too tight of a formulation (bless the cardinal directions and their colors, check in mad/sad/glad/scared, etc.) for my interest (over time). > Anyone who wants to talk about emotions and things like qualia or sense of > self, has to talk about such things. If they don't, they

Re: [FRIAM] On the: RLY!? side

> We could also deconflate "should" with "needs to be" in the sense that > the former is a social/moral judgement while the latter is intended to > be held a adaptive system feedback loop? > > If we consider "stupid" to be all things "maladaptive" then "punishing" > those behaviours helps to winno

Re: [FRIAM] "All [persons] are created equal"

Marcus wrote: > > You are made of matter following some trajectory that was initiated > with the big bang, and you will go where you will go.  There is no > “deserve”. >             "The universe is flux, all else is opinion" - M. Aurelius and... "they're merely talking to hear themselve

Re: [FRIAM] "All [persons] are created equal"

. money is a good, > reductive, singular candidate for hyper-reduction ... well, fiat money > anyway. So, only because we live in a largely capitalist society, does > equalization via money make sense ... because money is a medium, not a thing, > in itself. > > Obviously, I have

Re: [FRIAM] On the: RLY!? side

EricS - > This is all about holding a position that the society you live in is illegitimate, and wanting to act out your > animosity toward it or contempt for it, as a kind of defiant expression of some kind of agency.  Well stated... I think this captures a lot of the degenerate behaviour of th

Re: [FRIAM] "All [persons] are created equal"

I thought Glen made a good bid for "respect" over "equality".   The aphorism "we optimize what we measure" seems apropos.   Equality IS (at best?) a roll-up measure of other things.   Noting inequality (of income, of assets, of access to opportunity, of treatment by due process, etc.) is useful to

Re: [FRIAM] "All [persons] are created equal"

> A photo of me, my oldest cousin, and my grandfather taken at that time > (WW2).  That's a railroad boxcar used as a temporary residence for > transient railroad workers. My parents lived in a 50s "canned ham" style camp trailer for most of the first 18 months of my life.  My father was a junior

Re: [FRIAM] "All [persons] are created equal"

And as one of Frank's readers, I highly recommend it if you have any nostalgia at all, or curiosity about what made Frank Frank! I doubt it will motivate ME to write my own as Nick encourages, though I suppose I could just collate my FriAM reminiscences and that alone would probably qualify...  

Re: [FRIAM] Eternal questions

Glen - > I can't shake the feeling that it doesn't matter what I write, here. But I'm > stubborn. We rely on that. > > My point has been that our feelings are forms of self-attention. And if we > take self-attention seriously, it may not be necessary for the learning to be > 'socially taught'

Re: [FRIAM] Liberal dilemmas

"half the politicians are trying to take my money and give it away... ... the other half are trying to take it and keep it for themselves."         -anonymous On 8/31/21 4:53 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote: > > Dave writes: > >   > > “And I am terrified of liberals (progressives, democrats) because, a

Re: [FRIAM] Nick has gone dark

Mary and I are reading a biography of HD Thoreau and I feel like I have a better bead on who the heck NST is from getting a slightly better bead on that aspect of small town New England's history/perspective.    Neither of us have spent more than glancing careens through New England population cent

Re: [FRIAM] What are you reading?

recently read  Homeland Elegies - Ayad Akthar reading: The Importance of Living -

Re: [FRIAM] Amtrak & driverless trains

rless > trains in Copenhagen, Denmark, but not yet in Berlin > https://www.equaltimes.org/driverless-trains-are-coming-but?lang=en > > -J. > > > Original message > From: Steve Smith > Date: 9/7/21 22:36 (GMT+01:00) > To: friam@redfish.com > Subje

Re: [FRIAM] gen'fur

Sometimes all you need is a good aphorism https://sketchplanations.com/goodharts-law or maybe boost it up with a cartoon https://sketchplanations.com/ > I can't help but wonder if there's an analog of Goodhart's law lurking, here. > > > On September 9, 2021 2:31:39 PM PDT, Marcus Daniel

Re: [FRIAM] the cancellation arc

On 9/14/21 10:29 AM, uǝlƃ ☤>$ wrote: > Yeah, well. Were I fully liberated, I'd be doing a lot more, and a lot more > diverse, drugs than I do. Reading books is all well and good. But my guess is > the experience of liberty is more expansive than intellectual knowledge of > liberty. It takes a m

Re: [FRIAM] the cancellation arc

impossibly high trees, > no patio). > > That purely internal experience was the most vivid one I've had since I was a > kid, woke or asleep, and not merely visually, physically too, though it was > clearly fake because I had no back pain, no headache, none of the chronic

Re: [FRIAM] the cancellation arc

Glen- > Ha! Well, not for me. I'm a technophile. Even more important than > drug-induced experiences are those induced by other technologies like > transcranial magnetic stimulation, which I don't regard as fundamentally > different from connectivity drugs. Implants would be even better for > i

Re: [FRIAM] the cancellation arc

the gear looks pretty pricey...   probably the stuff of a future motorcycle/bicycle/climbing helmet to upload your brain as you go into a skid/fall/tumble! > >> On Sep 14, 2021, at 4:40 PM, Steve Smith wrote: >> >>  Glen- >>> Ha! Well, not for me. I'm a tech

Re: [FRIAM] the cancellation arc

ieu we swim around in. > > What I find funny is the reaction I get from such people when they see that I > do take them seriously. It's amazing how an ordinary person reacts when > someone, like a clinician, actually sits down, listens to the patient's > in-context narr

Re: [FRIAM] the cancellation arc

Marcus  wrote: > Why did the big bang occur?  Was it because God had an orgasm?  Jesus. > The unfolding universe *is* the orgasm?         ... induced by the meta-Goddess-as-Dominatrix wielding Dark-Energy-Stim? I *was* aware of the sex-application, though I would question Dave's 10,000x purchase

Re: [FRIAM] the cancellation arc

On 9/16/21 10:30 AM, Roger Critchlow wrote: > There's a PTSD character in "Ministry for the Future" who is the sole > survivor of a mass climate fatality.  He doesn't have much success > using CBT to tame his triggers. I read that character/aspect as CBT possibly keeping him from being entirely g

Re: [FRIAM] Could this possibly be true?

On 9/16/21 10:35 AM, thompnicks...@gmail.com wrote: > > Just so’s you know, > >   > > I took it from this email thread, where it pretty much stood alone. > >   > > And remember.  Y ou (we) aren’t just writing to one another.  You (we) > are writing to 300 other people. > And according to Glen a fe

Re: [FRIAM] the cancellation arc

On 9/16/21 10:40 AM, uǝlƃ ☤>$ wrote: > Ha! Yeah, CBT has mostly been replaced by ACT these days. And there's plenty > of reasons to classify animals into somatic versus cognitive. Mindfulness, > like CBT, is limited. Yoga spans them, with its typical practice. I was > recently forced to learn a

Re: [FRIAM] the cancellation arc

fferent, but now I realize it just reflects the paradox of how much we are all alike in entirely different ways. Or is it vice-versa? >   > > Nick > >   > > Nick Thompson > > thompnicks...@gmail.com <mailto:thompnicks...@gmail.com> > > https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nth

Re: [FRIAM] the cancellation arc

NST wrote: > > “KSR, SR, SR, What ever will be will be.  The future’s not ours to > see. KSR, SR. “ > grin+giggle => griggle .-- .- -. - / .- -.-. - .. --- -. ..--.. / -.-. --- -. .--- ..- --. .- - . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn UTC-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/

Re: [FRIAM] Could this possibly be true?

does involve others.  > >   > > I stipulate that you all may be being forced to serve in a cause > you may not have signed up for.  I guess this is the point where a > glen would say, “Live with it!” > >   > > n > >   > > Nick Thompson >

Re: [FRIAM] the cancellation arc

My first thought in reading this (Glen and Jon in response/elaboration) is that we are discussing whether the universe of comprehensions is (fully) metrizeable or not.  I have some conjectures about (weighted) graph and network metrization which may or may not have a play in this.   I'm not enough

Re: [FRIAM] Could this possibly be true?

EricS - > > 2. Before commenting on resolutions, maybe a comment more to clarify > the experience of the problem.  The use of some of these words in the > various posts leads to a reading experience for me that is like garden > path sentences.  So it is not so simple as “defining” a term.  It is >

Re: [FRIAM] in the interest of consistency

Marcus wrote: > In the interest of consistency:  No vaccination then no hemorrhoid > medication! Tangentially but not orthogonally, I take this as notice that that list of OTC meds should also not be considered Vegan, Kosher, nor Halal as well...   .-- .- -. - / .- -.-. - .. --- -.

Re: [FRIAM] the cancellation arc

Glen - > IDK. Maybe this is simply the inescapable optimum for some people. Rosen is a > great example, ostracized and ridiculed as vitalist for so long, causing him > to be reactionary and retreat further into his own game, followed only by a > few brilliant acolytes and open-minded domain hop

Re: [FRIAM] the cancellation arc

> More mob justice: > > US rightwing group targets academics with Professor Watchlist > https://www.theguardian.com/education/2021/sep/17/turning-point-usa-professor-watchlist Just now reading a biography of Thoreau and learning a little more about the Transcendentalists and Utopians of that str

Re: [FRIAM] the cancellation arc

Nick - > Steve, > > Isn't this the story of the 500 Spartans who, in defending Greece, backed > themselves into a canyon and fought off the Persian hoards successfully, > until some traitor showed the Persians a path around the canyon and they were > attacked from behind? Probably, sounds go

Re: [FRIAM] the cancellation arc

ds, play along, allow your overlords to use you well? > > In either case, the tool who doesn't know she's a tool cannot be a pragmatist. > > > On 9/17/21 9:32 AM, Steve Smith wrote: >> Glen - >> >>> IDK. Maybe this is simply the inescapable optim

[FRIAM] Fwd: the cancellation arc

do you call a Jewish Uber driver in Texas who takes women to clinics, because an upstander accepts danger and difficulty? An Uber-mensch. > On Sep 18, 2021, at 2:20 AM, Steve Smith wrote: > > >> More mob justice: >> >> US rightwing group targets academics with P

Re: [FRIAM] the cancellation arc

rlords' plans, we retain our agency. Even > if our only interference comes in the form of psychosis or idiopathic > irritability, our individuality requires it. Of course, some of us > [coughmarcus] are deeply strategic in their interference. 8^D > > > On September 17, 202

Re: [FRIAM] the cancellation arc

Glen - > I couldn't credibly reject epiphenomena and claim it's a labrynth. To boot, I > think the purpose of life is to find and explore the most unique niche you > can, preferably some subspace nobody else has ever been or will ever be. So, > I choose maze ... or worse ... a combinatorial infi

Re: [FRIAM] That was fun!

> Also, for the nerds in the group. This pic may document the most > overdue purchase of one of those ever: > Is that a broccoli corsage on your coat?  And why do you look like Mark Hamill?

Re: [FRIAM] Great Circle

I'm wondering if there are any obvious rule-of-thumb ways to guess or recognize "great-circleness".    It seems like such calculations are (too) full of compound trig functions to intuit easily? On 9/19/21 1:53 PM, Edward Angel wrote: > Close: https://www.airmilescalculator.com/distance/clt-to-h

Re: [FRIAM] Great Circle

I'm imagining a post near-apocalyptic world where the near-future MAGAmorlocks watch ElonMuskishEloi flying machines traveling high in the sky (with or without contrails) and set their crude sextants on the problem of shooting a trajectory and from that guestimating which known megaCity Enclaves th

Re: [FRIAM] hot streaks

Is this an example of epiphenomena (in the sense of episystems)? On 9/22/21 9:58 AM, Roger Critchlow wrote: > I think it actually all makes sense in a Peircian way.  First we > thought papers meant proven work, then published papers, then peer > reviewed published papers, then peer reviewed publis

Re: [FRIAM] unplanned [sen|obsol]escence

> Generation X are heavy, risky drinkers. Will anything ever persuade us to > stop? > https://www.theguardian.com/society/2021/sep/22/generation-x-heavy-drinkers-will-anything-persuade-us-to-stop > > "There’s one other factor: the odiousness of comparison. Or, to put that more > simply, generati

Re: [FRIAM] unplanned [sen|obsol]escence

.g Huel) and even synthetic food game. https://huel.com/ https://www.eater.com/2019/5/14/18623258/impossible-foods-synthetic-lab-grown-meat-science I'm still haunted by the spectre of Soylent Green. I'll opt for continuing to dabble in home gardening, aquaponics, and raising egg

Re: [FRIAM] unplanned [sen|obsol]escence

directly.   Though I think the efficiency would have to be pretty high to support a 2000W lifestyle <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4UPDUpjkHg0>.  At a solar flux of 1000W/m^2 that looks like a shadow-print of 1mx2m or the cross section of at typical grave?  3 m diameter peacock fan? >

Re: [FRIAM] hot streaks

On 9/22/21 3:18 PM, Roger Critchlow wrote: > Nick -- > > How much of the fleet do you need to examine to make this metaphor float? > > How many scientific journals are published globally per year? No one > knows how many scientific journals there are, but several estimates > point to around 30,000

Re: [FRIAM] unplanned [sen|obsol]escence

Re: /refused to admit that Antifa is categorically different from the Proud Boys/ And you now have a front-row seat to all this... ? https://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-northwest-news/2021/09/1-prominent-member-of-proud-boys-shot-in-foot-after-groups-clash-in-olympia.html I have a hard t

Re: [FRIAM] unplanned [sen|obsol]escence

> Some good news in the case: > > Olympia police arrest man accused of shooting Proud Boy member during Sept. 4 > clashes > https://www.theolympian.com/news/local/crime/article254494632.html > > To be clear, we've had a front row seat for awhile. Reinoehl was killed in > Lacey, which is tortuous

Re: [FRIAM] unplanned [sen|obsol]escence

I maybe understand Glen's use of several terms more better now.   I heard "value alignment" to refer to the general alignment between basis spaces of roughly self-aligned groups and other similar (but different) groups.   I think I hear now that Glen was giving the PB crowd credit for having a coh

Re: [FRIAM] COVID SaO2 at 7k feet

Maybe helpful (or not)...  Sorry to hear you are struggling with it. A decade ago I had a no good very bad winter of breathing which finally pushed me in to see a Doctor.   Their readings were in the low 70s and would have hospitalized me if I hadn't flat refused (I felt no worse than I had for mo

Re: [FRIAM] COVID SaO2 at 7k feet

On 9/27/21 4:11 PM, uǝlƃ ☤>$ wrote: > What am I struggling with? "But while fighting my infection" I took this to mean you were "struggling" with an infection. I understand/appreciate that your SPO2 numbers weren't necessarily causing you any symptoms... I assume you were measuring them for

Re: [FRIAM] COVID SaO2 at 7k feet

ts. I hadn't > thought of that either. > > On September 27, 2021 6:05:23 PM PDT, Steve Smith wrote: >> On 9/27/21 4:11 PM, uǝlƃ ☤>$ wrote: >>> What am I struggling with? >> "But while fighting my infection" I took this to mean you were >> &qu

Re: [FRIAM] not science, but enlightenment

seems like a good way to vet Senators? /Joining the council involved a grueling initiation. Each candidate's septum was pierced. His clothes were torn off, and people pushed & insulted him, testing his patience. Finally, he lived in a temple for two years where he observed deprivat

Re: [FRIAM] COVID SaO2 at 7k feet

ter in White (90%, 89–91) and Hispanic populations (91%, > 88–94) than in African (84%, 81–87) and Asian populations (82%, 78–86; > table)." > > On 9/28/21 7:31 AM, Steve Smith wrote: >> When COVID hit, I was using a fitness band that was *capable* of reading >> SPO2 but it r

Re: [FRIAM] unplanned [sen|obsol]escence

of the logic, the way values are aligned is with shared behavior >> ... mimicry. The child learns to fear snakes because the mother fears snakes >> ⇒ shared value "you ought to be afraid of snakes". And that's regardless of >> whether snakes are dangerous or not,

Re: [FRIAM] A pretty cellular automata video

Jon - > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P2uhhAXd7PI&ab_channel=ElliotWaite > I never cease to be surprised and fascinated watching simple rules generate complex structure and dynamics. I had a lot of complex reactions to this bu

Re: [FRIAM] "epistemic status"

On 9/29/21 7:26 AM, uǝlƃ ☤>$ wrote: > Do you know what you know? > A Confidence Calibration Exercise > http://confidence.success-equation.com/ I share Glen's interest in retaking such a test under different personal contexts.   I found some of the questions seemingly a little disingenous and was

Re: [FRIAM] "epistemic status"

I retook the test back-to-back and was a little surprised by the results:  1. I did increase my high confidence correct answers marginally (unsurprising) 1. This means I still got a few dead wrong. 2. I did lower my overall confidence. 1. no-brainer after seeing how overconfident

Re: [FRIAM] A pretty cellular automata video

We do have a robotic vacuum who we have personified somewhat...   the Cat ignores it, the Dog was constantly needing to nip at it, but backed off anytime it changed course when it was near her.   It is far from Rosie (Jetsons).  But I suppose I might upgrade to Astro. A friend made the observation

Re: [FRIAM] Newborn Heart Rate

NST - DAWW is perhaps it's own version of the nail or stone in a communal "soup".   Or a potherb, providing limited but possibly critical nutrition to an otherwise bland and macronutrient-only stew? - SAS On 10/2/21 10:56 AM, thompnicks...@gmail.com wrote: > > Colleagues, > >   > > I am appealin

Re: [FRIAM] A pretty cellular automata video

I still have the relevant bits of the classic Esquire e-ink edition from 13? years ago. https://blog.thatagency.com/design-studio-blog/2008/11/the-worlds-first-e-ink-magazine-cover/ Maybe Klaus-Bosch sandscape art

[FRIAM] Future of Humanity

> I frankly can't imagine our "species" (Homo faber) surviving our own > short sightedness long enough to make it to posthumanism. I suspect > that Homo sapiens will survive the environmental apocalypse to come, > but that the majority of our highly interdependent society will > quickly fall apart

Re: [FRIAM] Future of Humanity

> Apres moi, le deluge - davew Sadly, /this/ may be the greatest legacy of the boomer generation... I just got off the zoom with my 40ish daughters who each bought a house (first for one, second for the other) and have young children (3 and 9 respectively) and have been suffering the climactic

Re: [FRIAM] Newborn Heart Rate

On 10/3/21 9:35 PM, thompnicks...@gmail.com wrote: > > Speaking of words, I thought wuwei was interesting.  It seems to mean > “nugatory”. > I would say not.  I see how you could see the relation, but I think SGs comparison to Physics' "least action" is inspired if not entirely correct either.  

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