On 10/3/21 9:35 PM, thompnicks...@gmail.com wrote: > > Speaking of words, I thought wuwei was interesting. It seems to mean > “nugatory”. > I would say not. I see how you could see the relation, but I think SGs comparison to Physics' "least action" is inspired if not entirely correct either.
It would not be inaction or irrelevance, but rather no wasted/inappropriate/irrelevant action? "Just this much" is a Buddhist phrase I've heard that captures a bit of it. - Steve > > > Nick Thompson > > thompnicks...@gmail.com <mailto:thompnicks...@gmail.com> > > https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ > <https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/> > > > > *From:* Friam <friam-boun...@redfish.com> *On Behalf Of *Stephen Guerin > *Sent:* Sunday, October 3, 2021 4:02 PM > *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group > <friam@redfish.com> > *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] Newborn Heart Rate > > > > On Sat, Oct 2, 2021 at 5:57 PM <thompnicks...@gmail.com > <mailto:thompnicks...@gmail.com>> wrote: > > Just to be clear – and perhaps nerdishly literal minded – I would > NEVER claim that word play alone is science; I would only claim > that it has a role to play. > > > > On Sat, Oct 2, 2021 at 10:59 AM <thompnicks...@gmail.com > <mailto:thompnicks...@gmail.com>> wrote: > > You might help me distinguish between vicious DAWW and > virtuous DAWW. You might exile me. But you probably won’t > get me to stop. > > > If we follow the virtuous DAWW, it feels like wuwei > > <https://www.mdbg.net/chinese/dictionary?wdqb=c%3A%2A%E6%97%A0%E4%B8%BA%2A&wdrst=0>science > to me. Who needs action > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Action_(physics)> when you got > words? We are but meat puppets playing with nirvana > <https://youtu.be/Sj8UbmdV7bk?t=53>. > > Nick, I absolutely see the value in wordplay (DAWW) and do think it's > an important part of science and mathematics. > > I was being perhaps a little too clever in my own mind with my obtuse > DAWW riff above. At the risk of over parsing (like the risk of > explaining a joke) virtuous DAWW triggered the homophone of the Dao > (道) and its central concept of wu-wei, which is often inaccurately > translated as inaction but closer to right action / Least (stationary) > action in physics for me. > > > > This then triggered lyrics of one of my favorite songs, Plateau > <https://genius.com/Nirvana-plateau-lyrics> from the Meat Puppets, > "who needs action when you got words". To me, the line captures your > and my relationship where I'm struggling with generalizing the concept > of Action in Complex Systems and you are working your thoughts out > with words. I find this a healthy dialogue! > > > > And then I couldn't resist sharing the MTV unplugged concert where > Nirvana covered the Meat Puppets song with one of the Meat Puppets > playing on stage. The link to Youtube is to that line in the song in > the performance. So the literal Meat Puppet playing with Nivana > mutated to "we are but meat puppets playing with Nirvana" gave me 15 > minutes of interesting private contemplation of a puppet master > animating our puppets and wooing our puppet minds with Nirvana. > > > Certainly too obtuse of references and self-indulgent to post but what > the hell. > > So I really do appreciate your DAWW and was just trying to join in and > play with your dicking. :-) > > > .-- .- -. - / .- -.-. - .. --- -. ..--.. / -.-. --- -. .--- ..- --. .- - . > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn UTC-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam > un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ > archives: > 5/2017 thru present https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ > 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/
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