I maybe understand Glen's use of several terms more better now. I heard "value alignment" to refer to the general alignment between basis spaces of roughly self-aligned groups and other similar (but different) groups. I think I hear now that Glen was giving the PB crowd credit for having a coherent presentation with others while acting in public. I don't know what their private discussions/meetings look like, they may be near anarchy, but by the time they are on the street the present as a coherent, disciplined group.
> Yes, this seems really important to me: > >> That "antifa affiliated" guy who shot Tiny is probably susceptible to peer >> pressure to *stop* carrying his gun to town, much like the Proud Boys coach >> their participants not to start fights and always cooperate with the cops. >> The more organized Antifa groups, like Rose City *do* coach their >> participants more than the less organized groups do. But the difference in >> both value alignment and tactics is obvious. If you're like my colleague, >> you'll claim this is a "distinction without a difference". But the >> difference is palpable if you're actually present. > Living sometimes in Atlanta, where the past of a civil rights movement that > was purpose-driven, sophisticated, strategic, and disciplined has been kept > alive a bit more than other places, I watch historical footage from the 60s, > of strings of people singing quietly and clapping in time various religious > songs while being herded into police vans, and I am awestruck at the dignity > and the self-control. If the current movements could get to that, at the > scale of the many-more people that they include today, we could solve a lot > of these problems. > > Eric > > > > > .-- .- -. - / .- -.-. - .. --- -. ..--.. / -.-. --- -. .--- ..- --. .- - . > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn UTC-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam > un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ > archives: > 5/2017 thru present https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ > 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/ .-- .- -. - / .- -.-. - .. --- -. ..--.. / -.-. --- -. .--- ..- --. .- - . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn UTC-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ archives: 5/2017 thru present https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/
