EricS - Thanks for the reference to Scheffer. I was not aware of any of his work except his participation in Rockstrom, et al's 2009 Planetary Boundaries: Safe Operating Space <https://www.nature.com/articles/461472a>.
I now have Mutualistic Communities <https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/ele.13401> Superorganisms <https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/ele.13289> and his most recent Resilience of Pueblo Societies <https://www.pnas.org/content/pnas/118/18/e2024397118.full.pdf> on my pile! - SteveS https://scholar.google.nl/citations?view_op=view_citation&hl=en&user=cXmbPusAAAAJ&sortby=pubdate&citation_for_view=cXmbPusAAAAJ:ujxm2eEBZHIC > Thanks Steve, > > I hadn’t heard about this latest little bit of lunacy. Marcus is > right; what must the guy’s life be like that, to very likely end up in > jail for not really anything seemed like a good idea? > > Martin Scheffer ought to be all over this, with his “early warning > signals”, using analysis of the magnitude-frequency distributions of > collective fluctuations to predict “tipping points”. We hear about > Rosa Parks. We don’t (unless we work in the area) understand the long > string of events that preceded, and in important ways, led up to Rosa > Parks and made the event she precipitated possible. > > Eric > > >> On Aug 20, 2021, at 10:17 AM, Steve Smith <sasm...@swcp.com >> <mailto:sasm...@swcp.com>> wrote: >> >> EricS >>> >>> Fascist Quorum Sensing >> >> When 'Q' emerged in the right wing popular attention, I did make a >> brief connection with "Quorum" in the sense you reference it, though >> more specifically as Bee Swarm/Nest trigger/choice. Having once >> been a holder of a DOE 'Q' clearance, the very idea that that >> level/style of clearance would give him the kind of insider >> information attributed to him/her/them was absurd. Some of the >> other clearances, *maybe*, but not obviously the 'Q'. >> >> The news today with the lame-O-bomber wannabe kicked off another >> round of DHS/domestic-terror-watch warnings that another "quorum" is >> trying to rise up. The (liberal) news media is giving lip-service >> to not "amplifying" his signal, etc. >> >> Seems like something similar (but not responsibly scientific) about >> how the Taliban was able to flip the whole country almost overnight >> is afoot. >> >> - SteveS >> >>> >>> (For those who don’t do this for a living, the reference is to the >>> phenomenon in bacteria like Anthrax (B. anthracis), which will >>> multiply inside a victim for many generations with no real chemical >>> activity besides a normal parasitic metabolism, but will secrete >>> signaling chemicals. When those chemicals hit a threshold >>> concentration because the population has multiplied enough, which >>> the bacteria all know because they all have the same genome, they >>> switch state, turn on the chemical attack machinery, and dissolve >>> the victim on a timescale far too short for any inflammatory or >>> immune response to do much about them.) >>> >>> Google does not show anyone as having used it yet, even though it is >>> a no-brainer. >>> >>> The idea being to say something productive about the abruptness of >>> it all. >>> >>> From Gingrich and Norquist up through end-2020, the right thought >>> its best strategy was to do the usual dissembling and dogwhistling, >>> just at higher intensity. Something has switched and they think >>> this —specifically — is the time to make a run for it and to parade >>> the fascism instead. >>> >>> While the strategic-games crowd (and military people etc.) will say >>> they have long written about shifting modes, the idea that there can >>> be an unplanned component at the popular level akin to quorum >>> sensing might have something to be said of it. >>> >>> Even on the question of whether trump mattered, I can see a sort of >>> SFI angle on it, with the idea of “slow timescale variables” that >>> Jessica Flack makes central to the rubric that for a while (perhaps >>> still) she was calling “construction dynamics”. The idea that a >>> sort of order-parameter stuck thing can smooth out fluctuations and >>> make an inference problem easier and more stable, or a transition in >>> domains more likely. Here the fast variables would have been the >>> Lindsay Graham characters, who flutter like day-traders among all >>> possible positions, trying to guess from minute to minute what is >>> safe. Those guys would not have put Steven Miller’s face on TV, >>> because they would have judged that he was too ugly to use. >>> >>> Enter trump, whose 2024 motto can be “The Worse, The Better”, who >>> said “I can make ugly work.” But it didn’t change the system state >>> in a few months, or even in a year. The flutterers took years of >>> reassurance, and a couple of election cycles, before they switched >>> from the lysogenic to the lytic phase. Without trump as a slow >>> variable, would the flutterers have continued to flutter a while >>> longer? Can one say anything about that that has any scientific >>> worth, and isn’t just firing off buzzwords? >>> >>> Eric >>> >>> >>>> On Aug 20, 2021, at 7:53 AM, Marcus Daniels <mar...@snoutfarm.com >>>> <mailto:mar...@snoutfarm.com>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Eric writes: >>>> >>>> “I have wondered whether trump in the presidency was like an >>>> adjuvant in a vaccine. Just having the antigen leaves room for >>>> highly variable responses, because if you don’t manage the >>>> inflammatory response that initiates the immune response, you have >>>> only a weak control system. Trump was so awful in so many >>>> dimensions that he triggers inflammation in those who would have >>>> remained asleep under Clinton.” >>>> >>>> The mask protests like this one.. >>>> >>>> https://www.cnn.com/videos/health/2021/08/19/mask-wars-unrest-flores-pkg-dlt-vpx.cnn >>>> <https://www.cnn.com/videos/health/2021/08/19/mask-wars-unrest-flores-pkg-dlt-vpx.cnn> >>>> >>>> ..strike me as something that M. Night Shyamalan could not even >>>> invent. Say the guy at 1:40. >>>> I should be thinking of these folks as my fellow citizens? Really? >>>> >>>> Is it just me or is maybe the “inflammation” getting a little out >>>> of control? For example, >>>> the other day I was driving down a narrow part of the road in my >>>> residential area and pulled off to the side to let a car pass that >>>> was coming the other way. He (white middle-aged man) was not >>>> signaling, but as soon as I spent five seconds off the side to let >>>> him pass he started screaming at me and waving his fist out the car >>>> window. Apparently I had dared to block his driveway. 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