Re:
/refused to admit that Antifa is categorically different from the
Proud Boys/
And you now have a front-row seat to all this... ?
https://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-northwest-news/2021/09/1-prominent-member-of-proud-boys-shot-in-foot-after-groups-clash-in-olympia.html
I have a hard time seeing these value-parallax-differences as anything
BUT that. I still believe (imagine?) that the basis space implied by
*my* values are somehow more better (in the sense of goodNevil) than
others, but that doesn't stop me from recognizing that (many/most?)
others are just following *their* best guess of what is "good", even
when it goes acutely counter to my own.
> Well, personally, as much as I rant about the unsoundness of evolutionary
> psychology, I think the is-ought dichotomy is false, one of the most
> egregious ways philosophy is sterile ... or at least "hygienic".
>
> So I absolutely don't hate passive-aggressive implications like those you
> list. Worse yet, I think your claim that a value statement like "healthcare
> is a right" is somehow a preference and the implication that of deception
> ("masqerade") is fundamentally flawed. It's a misunderstanding of
> communication, prioritizing form to the detriment of function.
>
> Value alignment is Big News in AI these days. And when someone uses language
> to curiously prod at whether or not my values are aligned with theirs, I take
> that as a compliment ... and an invitation to ask what they mean by "right"
> and "healthcare". But it all depends on my attitude at the time, I guess.
> When a coworker recently refused to admit that Antifa is categorically
> different from the Proud Boys, at first I didn't get irritated. I tried to
> lay out as many different forms of the argument as I could. But he shunted
> each one by returning to his "both side-ism" ... like we were Fox News
> panelists or somesuch.
>
> And *that* irritated me. He wasn't trying to find alignment in values. He was
> trying to assert his values, win the game, make sure we played on his field.
> And that's not really all that fun.
>
> On 9/22/21 3:23 PM, thompnicks...@gmail.com wrote:
>> One of my colleagues used to say that "we" ought to spend more time with
>> undergraduates. Since she herself was DEFINITELY not planning to spend more
>> time with undergraduates, that really meant that she wanted ME to spend more
>> time with undergraduates. You are technically correct, I suppose, that I
>> am using the term "modally" incorrectly, since all language is modal in some
>> sense. The Cat is In The Hat is a proposition in the indicative mood. Put
>> the Damned hat in the Cat! Is in the imperative mood. The Cat Belongs in
>> the Hat is in the "deontive?" mood ... the mood of obligation. What people
>> do is try to hook other people by stating their wants in the denotive mood.
>> "Isn't it time to mow the lawn, dear?" and "Gawsh, we haven't had
>> strawberry short cake in ages" are both subtle denotive moves. "Health care
>> is a right" is an example of a policy preference masquerading as denotive
>> proposition. One of the things I THINK I know about you is that you hate
>> that sort of thing even more than I do.
>>
>> Nick
>>
>> PS: If you forbade empty deontive propositions from facutly meetings they
>> would be shortened by 80 percent.
>>
>> Nick Thompson
>> thompnicks...@gmail.com
>> https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
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>>
>> I don't have the slightest idea what you mean by "modal language", I guess.
>> I thought you meant necessary versus possible.
>>
>> On 9/22/21 1:56 PM, thompnicks...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> I am overjoyed to see that Hume's Guillotine is the origin of my "note the
>>> use of modal language" thing.
>>
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