On 9/14/21 10:29 AM, uǝlƃ ☤>$ wrote: > Yeah, well. Were I fully liberated, I'd be doing a lot more, and a lot more > diverse, drugs than I do. Reading books is all well and good. But my guess is > the experience of liberty is more expansive than intellectual knowledge of > liberty. It takes a magician to truly appreciate magic.
This would be the basis of my support for "the ineffable". Not that thinking about an experience in linguistic terms isn't possible, rewarding, even insightful, it is not precisely *the same* as the experience, if even close. *watching/hearing/smelling/feeling/tasting others* having an experience seems *more* apt to inform (apologies to NST) me empathetically/mirror-neurologically, but actually *having* the experience is still somewhat it's own thing. Having *had* the experience allows (perhaps) the linguistic/intellectual and the empathetic/mirror-neuron triggers to help me (re) access those experiences in some inner way. Just because when watching the Williams sisters play tennis doesn't cause me to shift my weight to plant my feet and flex my racquet grip and swing an arm, doesn't mean the fact of having played thousands of hours of tennis in my lie doesn't give me a significantly different experience from what I might think I "know" of Jai Alai or Cricket or Curling or even Golf ferGawdSakez! I've reported my "locomotion" dreams before, but this puts a nice emphasis on what I suspect to be the difference between even my most extravagant running, jumping, swimming, tree-swinging dreams and my levitating/flying/soaring and especially my orbital mechanics dreams. The latter is *entirely* symbolic while flying at least is fed (or informed?) by what I see in birds flight and my trivial amount of private piloting (but never hang-gliding/ultra-lighting/ram-chuting/squirrel-suiting). My proto/neo-libertarian nature comes (I postulate) from my having had a *fairly* liberated early life where the primary restrictions I experienced (allowed to constrain me) were the "hard knocks" variety NOT involving other people (especially near-peers). I've always felt claustrophobic/cramped when confronted with social norms which is not to say I think those norms are *evil* or even *wrongheaded*, just "inconvenient". The longer I live, the more experiences I have which help me to not only distinguish the "wrongheaded" from the "inconvenient" but also how to *navigate* the isoclines of a high-dimensional socio-political landscape on my own terms and thereby spend less time yelling at the TV or shaking my fist at the kids who need to "get off my lawn!". - Steve > > On 9/14/21 9:11 AM, thompnicks...@gmail.com wrote: >> He was the Mill that had a scandalous affair >> <https://www.economist.com/open-future/2018/10/05/the-scandalous-love-affair-that-fuelled-john-stuart-mills-feminism> >> and went on seances with the likes of Erasmus Darwin. [Charles never had >> any truck for that sort of thing.] Mill sure knew what it was to be >> cancelled. - .... . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. .... . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/
