uǝlƃ ☤>$ wrote: > It's not a matter of being absolute or not. It's a matter of nit-picking the > particular word used rather than trying to dig into the mechanism. Balling up > the composition into "have", "are", or "doing" is all useless posturing. I > don't care. Use "are" if you want. I don't care. It's silly to distinguish.
It is not silly to me insomuch as each of those *feels* very different. I see others who seem to *do* their emotions... "throwing tantrums" vs "having fits" vs "being spastic"... My inner experience is more that of "having fits" in the moment, but on careful analysis, I sometimes recognize that I might have "thrown a tantrum" trying to disguise it as "having a fit". In the long run though, it seems that it does sum to "being spastic". > What I do care about is *how* we compose from part to whole. Superposition > is, at least implies, a particular composition, a frequency domain, overlay. > But I'd argue it's an impoverished one. The question is about the "hard > problem", qualia, quality, etc. When you look at the experiments surrounding > general anesthesia, with electrodes planted in various places on and in the > body, you see time series that exhibit very long- and very short- term > patterns. Consciousness can be quantified based on these time series (and > spectral analyses of them). You can do the same with semi-conscious sedation. > They are not superpositions so much as sequential modes, iterative feedback > loops, waxing and waning in intensity ... waves upon carrier waves. So > superposition is necessary, but insufficient.y yes, more aptly "coupling" I'd hazard, though to a casual outside observer, superposition is what is observed from the outside? I was in a men's group for a while which had any number of silly (to me, not to them) rituals which included checking in to the group with our emotions. They desperately wanted everyone to conform to the mad/sad/glad/scared basis space. I resisted, often checking in with "hopeful yet trepidatious"... which was the only words I felt comfortable using to describe the feelings I had. They tried to intimidate and cajole me into mad/sad/glad/scared. The best I could offer was "I'm glad to be here, a little sad that I have to describe it in these four words, scared that you will reject me because I'm not following your code precisely, and mad that you might do such a thing". I thought "hopeful but trepidatious" was a good shorthand for that. I stuck with them for a few months until I attended a weekend intensive which was quite profound but mostly just made me realize I had better things to do than drive 90 minutes round trip once a week to struggle with these guys who had too tight of a formulation (bless the cardinal directions and their colors, check in mad/sad/glad/scared, etc.) for my interest (over time). > Anyone who wants to talk about emotions and things like qualia or sense of > self, has to talk about such things. If they don't, they're merely talking to > hear themselves speak. That's a tight prescription and judgement... Carry on! - Steve > > On 8/26/21 10:16 AM, Steve Smith wrote: >> uǝlƃ ☤>$ >>> Ouch! Dude. No! 8^D You're committing the same sin Nick commits. >> I understand that I was being provocative with the specific formulation >> "we ARE" as if it were an absolute. >>> To say we "are" our emotions ignores the composition, the algebra by which >>> parts compose the whole. >> I agree and only wanted to add to the composition "are" along with >> "have" and "act-out" . >>> The point is the very high order conscious *attention* to lower order >>> frequencies. Not all is one. There are many parts to organize. How are they >>> organized? >> To what extent are our identities/sense-of-self (inner experience and >> outer presentation) the superposition of our "emotions"? yes, we are >> more and less than that, yet for some purposes it seems we ARE that. > - .... . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. .... . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/
