Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Such Vile Calumny! (attn Arbitor)

2024-05-18 Thread Mischief via agora-discussion
On 5/18/24 1:58 PM, juan via agora-discussion wrote: Janet Cobb via agora-business [2024-05-18 12:55]: I CFJ on the statement "Elysion is a fugitive of the old law" […] I CFJ on the statement "Elysion is still a fugitive of the old law" […] Gratuitous: These might be both IRRELEVANT, as th

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Bowing to the Inevitable

2024-05-19 Thread Mischief via agora-discussion
On 5/15/24 5:48 PM, 4st nomic via agora-discussion wrote: FWIW, Welcome back! Why I declare, apathy, you have manners befitting a true Southern gentlespivak. (Deliberately NttPF, but someone needed to make a joke along these lines eventually) -- Mischief

DIS: Proto: Hats

2024-05-23 Thread Mischief via agora-discussion
Proto-proposal ("Hats" AI=1): [The idea here is to have a playful mechanism that also serves as a straw poll of how players are feeling. Inspired by the self-reporting approach in the "Bang!" subgame, a player could include eir current hat in eir signature if e wished. The recordkeepor langu

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Propositions 9114-9119

2024-05-25 Thread Mischief via agora-discussion
On 5/25/24 7:05 AM, Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-business wrote: 9119* Mischief3.0 Say It Once Mk II PRESENT, I am not aware of the full implications of this change. It's meant to remove a redundancy. Rule 1950 secures Adoption Index twice... Adoption index (AI) is an

DIS: Re: BUS: (@Promotor) Experimenting with Regulations

2024-05-26 Thread Mischief via agora-discussion
On 5/25/24 10:11 PM, 4st nomic via agora-business wrote: In an effort to reduce the ruleset, what if we offload things that only affect the officer of a report, or rather, leave the specifics of mechanics to the officer that tracks it? Could you explain a little about more how you see this work

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Bowing to the Inevitable (attn Registrar, Spendor, Collector)

2024-05-26 Thread Mischief via agora-discussion
On 5/26/24 8:03 PM, nix via agora-discussion wrote: On 5/15/24 15:48, Joshua Boehme via agora-business wrote: In the past I went by Elysion, but that nickname feels like it belongs to another era. This time I'll go by Mischief, and for ease I'll be using agoran.misch...@gmail.com as my email add

DIS: Re: OFF: [Absurdor] The State of the Absurd

2024-05-27 Thread Mischief via agora-discussion
On 5/20/24 4:19 AM, juan via agora-official wrote: == absurdor: juan The State of the Absurd 2024-05-20 == # _/

Re: DIS: Re: [@ais523] CFJs 4084, 4085 [Re: BUS: CFJ - 4st/apathy name clarifications (@Arbitor)]

2024-05-27 Thread Mischief via agora-discussion
On 5/27/24 1:59 PM, nix via agora-discussion wrote: On 5/27/24 12:53, nix via agora-business wrote: I CFJ: "The CFJ above bars the player currently named 'apathy'" I number this CFJ 4085. I assign it to ais523. Gratuitous: This is trivially TRUE. Names have no legal meaning in Agora, and plen

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Welcome package

2024-05-29 Thread Mischief via agora-discussion
On 5/29/24 12:18 PM, Paul McDowell via agora-discussion wrote: Indeed, I was on digest mode so I didn't see it right away. Happy to be here! Welcome! You may wish to use the 10 Spendies from your welcome package soon (e.g., on Stamps, radiance, or stones) since they expire at the end of the m

Re: DIS: Leap days

2024-05-29 Thread Mischief via agora-discussion
On 5/29/24 3:20 PM, juan via agora-discussion wrote: I just realized that someone that registered on the 29th of February would raise questions about birthday announcements. This doesn't seem to have come up, as no players have yet registered on that day (according to my records). Has this every

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: (@stonemason, @spendor) Theft

2024-05-31 Thread Mischief via agora-discussion
On 5/31/24 4:23 PM, nix via agora-discussion wrote: What was the cost of this stone when you did that? Shouldn't it be 9 because I transferred it to myself last week? Or is the SLR out of date on this? The latter is true. (I haven't been tracking the stone movements closely enough to say any

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Propositions 9114-9119

2024-06-01 Thread Mischief via agora-discussion
On 6/1/24 7:07 AM, Mischief wrote: On 5/31/24 7:26 PM, Janet Cobb via agora-business wrote: On 5/26/24 21:33, Janet Cobb via agora-business wrote: On 5/25/24 13:39, Janet Cobb via agora-business wrote: 9115~   snail   2.0   Lode Stone Well: I change my vote on the referen

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Propositions 9114-9119

2024-06-01 Thread Mischief via agora-discussion
On 6/1/24 3:57 PM, Janet Cobb via agora-business wrote: Actually, the fee-based actions rules don't have any special cases for negative values, and you can't destroy a negative number of assets. So I think if the required fee is negative, it's just not possible to do (and this is... not a crazy

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Birthday

2024-06-03 Thread Mischief via agora-discussion
On 6/3/24 3:27 PM, nix via agora-discussion wrote: On 6/3/24 14:25, Janet Cobb via agora-business wrote: what I 0wrote last time 0wrote Unforgivable Agoran dendrochronology -- Mischief

DIS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Propositions 9122-9124

2024-06-07 Thread Mischief via agora-discussion
On 6/4/24 5:01 AM, secretsnail9 via agora-official wrote: ID Author(s) AITitle --- 9124~ Murphy 1.0 Rock strat How do boulder aficionados feel about this? -- Mischief

DIS: Re: BUS: Throwing Stones (attn Stonemason)

2024-06-16 Thread Mischief via agora-discussion
On 6/16/24 3:07 PM, Edward Murphy via agora-business wrote: Mischief wrote: I wield the Hot Potato, specifying Murphy I wield the Hot Potato Stone, specifying literallyAmbiguous. Doesn't the Hot Potato Stone still need a few hours to cool down from my use of it? -- Mischief

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Herald] Regarding the Birthday Tournament

2024-06-24 Thread Mischief via agora-discussion
On 6/24/24 10:39 AM, juan via agora-discussion wrote: HIGHEST NUMBER GAME Some thoughts... 1. To avoid turning this into a contest of who can type the most nines into an email or abuse Knuth notation the most, maybe make the winner the player with the median number (higher of the two middlemo

DIS: Re: BUS: Verbal Cake

2024-06-30 Thread Mischief via agora-discussion
On 6/29/24 2:55 PM, Katherina Walshe-Grey via agora-business wrote: On 29/06/2024 14:15, Mischief via agora-business wrote: I'll, with this, Magenta Ribbon score a, Posting to my choice of public fora, Born that day 'cause Nomic World's no more, huh? Harken players current and of yore: A- lexis

DIS: Re: BUS: (@ADoP) Re: OFF: Re: BUS: Expediting sortition procedure

2024-07-01 Thread Mischief via agora-discussion
On 6/30/24 11:40 PM, Matt Smyth via agora-business wrote: I become an option for the office of Webmastor. I become an option for the office of Tailor. I become an option for the office of Collector. I become an option for the office of Stonemason. Hmmm... Are you doing this so you'll win at le

DIS: Re: OFF: [Herald] Birthday Tournament: Highest Number Game

2024-07-01 Thread Mischief via agora-discussion
On 6/30/24 9:00 PM, secretsnail9 via agora-official wrote: * The leader is the party that has revealed the highest secret number that is not equal to any other revealed secret number. Immediately before the end of the week, the leader is granted X tokens, where X is the number of times the pot w

DIS: Proto: Potential Further Absurdity

2024-07-03 Thread Mischief via agora-discussion
Create a rule entitled "The Veblen" with power 0.5 reading: The Veblen is a unique indestructible fixed asset. Ownership of the Veblen is entirely restricted to Agora and players. If the Veblen is owned by the Lost and Found Department or in abeyance, it is immediately

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Collector] Philately Lately - 2024-07-01

2024-07-06 Thread Mischief via agora-discussion
On 7/6/24 12:28 AM, Janet Cobb via agora-discussion wrote: On 7/1/24 18:48, Mischief via agora-official wrote: I deputise as Collector to publish the following report. I don't think you need this bit anymore. I don't hold the office -- P9136 will fix that flaw -- and item 3) in rule 2160 s

DIS: Two More Stone Protos

2024-07-12 Thread Mischief via agora-discussion
I separated these in case folks like one but not the other... ("Baa" AI=2): [Creates a stone that follows other stones around] Amend rule 2645 (The Stones) by adding, at the end, to the list of stones: - Sheep Stone (monthly): This stone has no effect. Whenever the Sheep Stone

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Rulekeepor] Notes on Application of Proposals 9134-9141

2024-07-14 Thread Mischief via agora-discussion
On 7/13/24 11:25 PM, 4st nomic via agora-business wrote: Cfj: the appended paragraph exists in the new rule. Arguments FOR: the previous judgement Janet referenced. I think it makes sense and applies (at least, the way Janet summarized the argument). Also, AND says do as much as is possible. Eg

DIS: Re: BUS: Initializing the match

2024-07-24 Thread Mischief via agora-discussion
On 7/24/24 7:22 PM, secretsnail9 via agora-business wrote: I flip the match state to initializing. (As the match state hasn't changed in the last 7 days). The match state switch has only existed for a little less than 6 days. Does that count as unchanged for 7? -- Mischief Collector, Speake

DIS: Re: OFF: [Herald] Birthday Tourney stats / Reminder

2024-07-29 Thread Mischief via agora-discussion
On 7/29/24 8:11 PM, 4st nomic via agora-official wrote: This is your reminder that game night has already begun. I'm not required anywhere to post this. But I thought it would be nice to do anyways. :) Isn't this a little over a day early? The tournament started 23 Jul 2024 20:07:43 -0700, a

DIS: Proto-Proposal: "Yo Ho Ho!"

2024-08-03 Thread Mischief via agora-discussion
Proto-Proposal: "Yo Ho Ho!" (AI=1) Amend rule 2690 (Spendies) by replacing the sentence reading: At the beginning of each month, every player is granted 20 Spendies. with: At the beginning of each month, every player is granted 5 + N Spendies, where N is the lesser of

DIS: Re: BUS: (@Arbitor) Judging CFJs 4080 and 4081

2024-08-12 Thread Mischief via agora-discussion
On 8/11/24 8:29 PM, secretsnail9 via agora-business wrote: Thank you 4st for reminding me! Somehow it's been months since they were mentioned. On 5/13/24 18:45, Joshua Boehme via agora-business wrote: I CFJ on the statement "Elysion is a fugitive of the old law" This is CFJ 4080. I judge it T

DIS: Re: (@Stonemason, Spendor) BUS: The stones have a loophole

2024-08-13 Thread Mischief via agora-discussion
On 8/13/24 6:37 PM, ais523 via agora-business wrote: I pay a fee of 4 Spendies to transfer the Protection Stone to myself. (Rule 2645 attempts to make the stone immune, but rule 2640 attempts to make it non-immune, and wins on ID number tiebreak.) Didn't we deliberately pass a proposal to make

DIS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJs 4090 and 4091 assigned to Mischief

2024-08-16 Thread Mischief via agora-discussion
On 8/13/24 8:44 AM, Katherina Walshe-Grey via agora-official wrote: I assign CFJs 4090 and 4091 to Mischief. CFJ 4090 was called by 4st and reads: 'I have at least one ownership of the Veblen, since I "gains ownership of the Veblen".' CFJ 4091 was called by 4st and reads: 'I currently have 5 sp

DIS: Proto: Potential Replacement for Sabotage Stone

2024-08-18 Thread Mischief via agora-discussion
Proto-Proposal: "Stone of the People" (AI=2) [This is meant as a replacement for the Sabotage Stone. It's a milder effect than the Sabotage Stone. However, you can target all of a single player's proposals at once, so replicating the Sabotage Stone's workaround would at least require multipl

DIS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Propositions 9159-9167

2024-08-19 Thread Mischief via agora-discussion
On 8/19/24 6:23 PM, secretsnail9 via agora-official wrote: // ID: 9166 Title: Untracked hats Adoption Index: 1.0 Author: Janet Co-authors: Amend Rule 2594 ("Hats") by replacing "Hats are a secured player switch" with "Hats are

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: (@Arbitor) Judging CFJs 4080 and 4081

2024-08-19 Thread Mischief via agora-discussion
On 8/19/24 6:14 PM, secretsnail9 via agora-discussion wrote: Classic "I said I did, therefore I did." In this case, clearing the designation is an unregulated action, but not one that the rules describe as being able to have an effect on the game, so it does nothing. In regards to the "ratifica

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Propositions 9159-9167

2024-08-20 Thread Mischief via agora-discussion
On 8/20/24 8:49 AM, ais523 via agora-business wrote: 9162~   Mischief    1.0   Shameless Bribery 2A AGAINST: I am philosophically opposed to bribing people to pass proposals using assets/rewards that are created by the proposal itself, because there's no cost to it Isn't that -- o

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Half of a stamp trade

2024-08-21 Thread Mischief via agora-discussion
On 8/21/24 1:26 AM, Matt Smyth via agora-discussion wrote: Whoops, wrong forum. Are you reply-all-ing? Your first message went to both a-d and a-b. The end result is you ended up with two separate posts to a-b (so two separate transfers). https://www.mail-archive.com/agora-business@agoranom

DIS: Re: BUS: A submission

2024-08-23 Thread Mischief via agora-discussion
On 8/22/24 1:42 PM, ais523 via agora-business wrote: I submit this document. CoE: nuh uh. -- Mischief Collector Hat: steampunk hat Vitality: alive Bang holdings: 0

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Re: BUS: A submission

2024-08-25 Thread Mischief via agora-discussion
On 8/25/24 9:50 AM, ais523 via agora-business wrote: but I can't see a good reason *not* to respond to it The fact that it was (deliberately) posted to a-d and thus wasn't an announcement? Also, you submitted that document, but no one has documented that submission. Tsk tsk. -- Mischief

DIS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] Administrative Regulations

2024-08-25 Thread Mischief via agora-discussion
On 8/24/24 10:06 AM, Katherina Walshe-Grey via agora-official wrote: ADMINISTRATIVE REGULATIONS This, plus the titles and dividing lines suggests to me there are three regulations here... -

DIS: Re: CFJ 4089 assigned to Gaelan

2024-08-26 Thread Mischief via agora-discussion
On 8/25/24 12:13 PM, Gaelan Steele via agora-business wrote: I judge CFJ 4089 TRUE, per the arguments below. The relevant section of proposal 9136 had its full intended effect. Does this raise some uncertainty about any prior rule changes that we originally thought failed? The ruleset was last

DIS: Re: Boulder stuff

2024-08-27 Thread Mischief via agora-discussion
On 8/27/24 8:07 AM, Oliver Nguyen via agora-discussion wrote: I think the link broke sorry I think the lists strip out HTML automatically. Just including a bare URL should work, though: https://agoranomic.org/ -- Mischief Collector Hat: steampunk hat Vitality: alive Bang holdings: 1

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: (@ADoP) Prime Minister election

2024-08-28 Thread Mischief via agora-discussion
On 8/28/24 4:24 PM, Paul McDowell via agora-business wrote: If I have not already made a binding pledge to bribe... I mean *reward* everyone who votes for me with one spendie each, I do so now. Spendies will be paid to each recipient within one Agoran week of their vote being cast. Breaking this

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: (@ADoP) Prime Minister election

2024-08-28 Thread Mischief via agora-discussion
On 8/28/24 5:23 PM, Paul McDowell via agora-discussion wrote: Does it? If I run out, it becomes impossible for me to uphold the next instance of the pledge, even if I try to. Surely if it's impossible to uphold a pledge, one can't be considered to have broken it. Rule 2531 (Defendant's Rights)

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: (@ADoP) Prime Minister election

2024-08-28 Thread Mischief via agora-discussion
On 8/28/24 5:34 PM, Paul McDowell via agora-discussion wrote: Oh dear... But how does the voting method being instant runoff make problems for me? What if I cast a ballot for 4st > LiterallyAmbiguous? What if I cast a ballot for 4st > LiterallyAmbiguous > yet-to-be-announced-candidate? Vot

Re: DIS: Re: CFJ 4089 assigned to Gaelan

2024-08-28 Thread Mischief via agora-discussion
On 8/26/24 4:40 PM, Mischief via agora-discussion wrote: On 8/25/24 12:13 PM, Gaelan Steele via agora-business wrote: I judge CFJ 4089 TRUE, per the arguments below. The relevant section of proposal 9136 had its full intended effect. Does this raise some uncertainty about any prior rule

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Adjusting the Money Supply

2024-08-29 Thread Mischief via agora-discussion
On 8/29/24 6:10 PM, Oliver Nguyen via agora-discussion wrote: If crystal liquidation fails and this passes, that would not be good I assume most voting against crystal liquidation would vote against this too. Or maybe folks want a tighter money supply -- Mischief Collector Hat: steampunk ha

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: (@Spendor) A petition

2024-08-31 Thread Mischief via agora-discussion
On 8/31/24 8:16 AM, Oliver Nguyen via agora-discussion wrote: Do you think I should deputise for Spendor or not? I don't think you can at the moment -- that was the crux of CFJ 4083 [1] and the reason for proposal 9161. If the Spendor had other duties you could deputise on one of them, but it

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: (@Spendor) A petition

2024-08-31 Thread Mischief via agora-discussion
On 8/31/24 4:50 AM, Oliver Nguyen via agora-discussion wrote: The intent will become ripe in 4 days, then it’s 7 days for a sortition, so there will be at least 11 days between now and when Spendies actually start working again. That’s a bit too long… I think I have 30 Spendies, but who knows

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: (@stonemason, @Spendor)

2024-09-01 Thread Mischief via agora-discussion
On 9/1/24 6:58 AM, Oliver Nguyen via agora-discussion wrote: This fails. You spent 20 spendies on stones in your message at 00:00 (UTC), leaving you with none. On Sun, Sep 1, 2024 at 01:03, secretsnail9 via agora-business <[agora-busin...@agoranomic.org](mailto:On Sun, Sep 1, 2024 at 01:03, se

DIS: Noting Which Stone Actions Appear to Have Failed

2024-09-01 Thread Mischief via agora-discussion
On 8/31/24 7:09 PM, ais523 via agora-business wrote: I wield the Minty Stone, specifying myself. This fails, as Kate wielded the Minty Stone at 2024-08-26 21:30:21. (However, your purchase of it immediately prior did succeed.) On 8/31/24 7:57 PM, secretsnail9 via agora-business wrote: If

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: Stonemason Pro Tem's Report

2024-09-01 Thread Mischief via agora-discussion
On 9/1/24 11:49 AM, ais523 via agora-business wrote: CoE: The ownership of the Recursion Stone is disputed, and depends on the outcome of CFJ 4093. (I know you know this, but as far as I can tell snail would self-ratify as the owner if I didn't CoE, because the report doesn't make it clear that

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: (@Spendor) A petition

2024-09-02 Thread Mischief via agora-discussion
On 9/2/24 5:54 AM, Oliver Nguyen via agora-discussion wrote: Would that interfere with my intent to deputise or not? On Saturday, 31 August 2024 at 01:35, Mischief via agora-business wrote: I announce my intent to cause the office of Spendor to become vacant without 2 objections, per rule 10

DIS: Re: BUS: Vibe Check

2024-09-02 Thread Mischief via agora-discussion
On 9/2/24 5:59 PM, secretsnail9 via agora-business wrote: I intend, with notice, to make LiterallyAmbibuous inactive. Is that literallyAmbiguous, literallyAmphibious, or someone else? FWIW, l-Ambiguous just did a stamp / Gray ribbon trade with Murphy a couple days ago. -- Mischief Collecto

DIS: Re: BUS: Vibe Check

2024-09-02 Thread Mischief via agora-discussion
On 9/2/24 6:13 PM, Paul McDowell via agora-business wrote: Who is LiterallyAmbibuous? That one fails obviously Or maybe it's literallyAmbitious. E was quite an infamous go-getter back in the day. -- Mischief Collector Hat: steampunk hat Vitality: alive Bang holdings: 1

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Propositions 9168-9178

2024-09-02 Thread Mischief via agora-discussion
On 9/2/24 2:59 PM, Janet Cobb via agora-discussion wrote: On 9/1/24 19:00, secretsnail9 via agora-official wrote: Amend rule 2528 (Voting Methods) by replacing "thereof." with "thereof)." and inserting a paragraph break immediately after the replaced string. The replaced string is no longer

Re: DIS: Proto: Chits

2024-09-02 Thread Mischief via agora-discussion
On 9/2/24 6:19 PM, Kiako via agora-discussion wrote: Once per week, a player (the flippor) CAN by announcement "flip" a chit e own "e owns" > - Desert Chit (0, varies): Destroy this chit. (The flippor NEED NOT > specify a flippee.) "(created only as explicitly specified by this rule)" or so

DIS: Proto: Frank Voting

2024-09-03 Thread Mischief via agora-discussion
Proto-proposal: "Frank Voting" AI=2 [The new model in a nutshell: Offices -> Complexity -> Stamps -> Power Grabs -> Voting Strength Voting Strength is still in the 3-6 range, and there is a universal basic income for Stamps. Uncommon Stamps are more valuable for Power Grabs. The Assessor

Re: DIS: Proto: Frank Voting

2024-09-03 Thread Mischief via agora-discussion
On 9/3/24 9:08 AM, Oliver Nguyen via agora-discussion wrote: I noticed you used Stamps for everything… why is that? They don't tend to circulate very much at the moment. This is intended to spur trading and spending Stamps. Based on Discord discussions, there are some ideas in circulation f

Re: DIS: Proto: Frank Voting

2024-09-03 Thread Mischief via agora-discussion
On 9/3/24 9:49 AM, secretsnail9 via agora-discussion wrote: On Sep 3, 2024, at 7:29 AM, Mischief via agora-discussion wrote:  Proto-proposal: "Frank Voting" AI=2 Where's Frank? Cancelled. -- Mischief Collector Hat: steampunk hat Vitality: alive Bang holdings: 1

Re: DIS: Proto: Frank Voting

2024-09-03 Thread Mischief via agora-discussion
On 9/3/24 3:03 PM, Kiako via agora-discussion wrote: On 9/3/24 7:28 AM, Mischief via agora-discussion wrote: however, if a Power Grab specifies zero Stamps this fee is automatically considered paid. Do fee-based actions not already consider 0-item fees trivially paid? Not explicitly as far

DIS: Re: Proto: Frank Voting

2024-09-07 Thread Mischief via agora-discussion
On 9/3/24 8:28 AM, Mischief via agora-discussion wrote: Proto-proposal: "Frank Voting" AI=2 Here's a revised proto. I think it's pretty close to being ready to go, but given the potential impact I wanted to proceed cautiously. "Frank Voting" AI=2 (coauthors=k

DIS: Re: [Promotor] Distribution of Propositions 9168-9178

2024-09-07 Thread Mischief via agora-discussion
On 9/7/24 8:18 PM, ais523 via agora-business wrote: FOR, although it should probably also have granted additional Bangs to unbrick the current round The most recent round already timed out. -- Mischief Collector Hat: steampunk hat Vitality: ghostly Bang holdings: 0

DIS: Re: [Promotor] Distribution of Propositions 9179-9181

2024-09-08 Thread Mischief via agora-discussion
On 9/8/24 7:02 PM, secretsnail9 via agora-official wrote: ID Author(s) AITitle --- 9181~ ais523, kiako 2.0 A New Economy I'm torn... despite the fact this is in competition with a frame

DIS: Re: BUS: Voting is confusing (@Arbitor)

2024-09-09 Thread Mischief via agora-discussion
On 9/8/24 6:08 PM, Paul McDowell via agora-business wrote: I CFJ on the statement "I owe Janet and Mischief one spendie each." I bar Janet from this CFJ due to eir obvious conflict of interest (I would bar Mischief as well, but I can only bar one person...) Something worth pointing out to the e

DIS: Re: BUS: Stones: One Last Hurrah (@Stonemason Collector Illuminator)

2024-09-09 Thread Mischief via agora-discussion
On 9/8/24 5:16 PM, Mischief via agora-business wrote: I wield the Minty Stone, specifying myself *sigh* this failed, as the Minty Stone was still hot. -- Mischief Collector Hat: steampunk hat Vitality: ghostly Bang holdings: 0

DIS: Re: OFF: [Herald] The Scroll of Agora (corrected)

2024-09-09 Thread Mischief via agora-discussion
On 9/9/24 3:07 PM, 4st nomic via agora-official wrote: Bang: snail, Mischief(x2) Did I really win Bang twice? I thought we only had two successful rounds total -- with snail winning the first -- but I easily could be misremembering (a disadvantage of untracked games). -- Mi

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Resolution of Proposals 9168-9178

2024-09-15 Thread Mischief via agora-discussion
On 9/15/24 4:23 PM, Katherina Walshe-Grey via agora-discussion wrote: On Sun, 2024-09-15 at 16:10 -0400, Janet Cobb via agora-official wrote: IDTitle Result 9168 Erosion in Geological Rhyme ADOPTED 9169 Not

DIS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Resolution of Proposals 9168-9178 (@Spendor)

2024-09-15 Thread Mischief via agora-discussion
On 9/15/24 4:10 PM, Janet Cobb via agora-official wrote: RESOLUTION OF PROPOSALS 9168-9178 = IDTitle Result 9168 Erosion in Geological Rhyme ADOPTED Here's my understanding

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: Notice of Diminution

2024-10-07 Thread Mischief via agora-discussion
On 10/6/24 3:59 PM, Edward Murphy via agora-discussion wrote: This is your quarterly Notice of Diminution. Feel diminutionated, everyone. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8fADp43wJwU It's pretty straightforward to calculate it for Agora, assuming Notices of Diminution continue but no one acc

DIS: Re: BUS: Spell check (@Rulekeepor)

2024-11-03 Thread Mischief via agora-discussion
On 11/3/24 4:50 PM, Edward Murphy via agora-business wrote: I intend, without objection, to clean Rule 2695 (The Veblen) by replacing "Abusrdor," with "Absurdor,". P9172 should have already fixed this https://www.mail-archive.com/agora-official@agoranomic.org/msg14130.html -- Mischief Collec

DIS: Re: BUS: Monthlies

2024-10-31 Thread Mischief via agora-discussion
On 10/31/24 6:03 PM, ais523 via agora-business wrote: Ten times, I perform the action "I increase my radiance by 1 by paying a fee of 2 Spendies". If I have remembered my current Spendie balance correctly, only the first seven of these work, with the remainder failing due to inability to pay the

DIS: Proto-proposal: The Game is Afoot

2024-11-10 Thread Mischief via agora-discussion
Proto-proposal: "The Game is Afoot" (AI=1.5, coauthor=ais523 [e inspired the original idea]) [Maybe this could be a way to spur some more gameplay. The underlying idea: Spendies -> candles (contest subgames) -> radiance Players can still buy radiance directly, they still get a universal basic

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Propositions 9182-9183

2024-09-18 Thread Mischief via agora-discussion
On 9/18/24 7:34 AM, lare290 via agora-discussion wrote: If I have not yet done so, I vote as follows: 9182~   4st, oliver.n   1.0   ??? FOR (I've been sick for a week, I'm about as confused as the boulder) 9183~   snail   1.0   Creation Crystals PRESENT Not to the p

DIS: Re: BUS: (@ADoP) Speaking of the Prime Minister...

2024-09-22 Thread Mischief via agora-discussion
On 9/22/24 6:50 PM, Janet Cobb via agora-business wrote: On 9/22/24 17:27, secretsnail9 via agora-business wrote: I deputize as prime minister to appoint myself as speaker. I temporarily deputize as Prime Minister to appoint snail speaker. That still doesn't satisfy R2160(6). -- Mischief C

DIS: Re: BUS: (@ADoP) Speaking of the Prime Minister...

2024-09-22 Thread Mischief via agora-discussion
On 9/22/24 5:27 PM, secretsnail9 via agora-business wrote: I deputize as prime minister to appoint myself as speaker. This fails due to R2160(6) -- Mischief Collector, Illuminator Hat: steampunk hat Vitality: ghostly Bang holdings: 0

DIS: Re: (@Illuminator, @Spendor) Re: BUS: Commerce (@Spendor Collector)

2024-09-26 Thread Mischief via agora-discussion
On 9/26/24 9:41 AM, juan via agora-business wrote: Mischief via agora-business [2024-09-25 20:08]: I believe I should have 18 spendies at the moment, so... […] I transfer 6 spendies to Juan […] I transfer 6 spendies to Juan […] I transfer my last remaining spendie to juan, just because. Nine t

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 4095 assigned to Murphy

2024-09-30 Thread Mischief via agora-discussion
On 9/30/24 7:49 AM, juan via agora-discussion wrote: Wait. Is “ana” a word? I had to look it up too. Ana and kata are the directions in the fourth dimension See (appropriately enough) etymology 4: https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/ana -- Mischief Collector, Illuminator, Prime Minister Hat: s

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Propositions 9182-9183

2024-09-17 Thread Mischief via agora-discussion
On 9/17/24 4:52 PM, Janet Cobb via agora-discussion wrote: I don't like the perverse incentives that crystals create. If someone else writes a proposal that touches a lot of rules, then I'm incentivized to vote AGAINST that proposal for economic reasons, even if it's good. I try not to do that,

Re: DIS: Peeking out of the woodwork

2024-11-22 Thread Mischief via agora-discussion
On 11/19/24 12:29 PM, Alexis Hunt via agora-discussion wrote: To remedy this, I would like to offer my services for coauthorship, preferably on proposals that aren't highly controversial. I will happily review them with reference to the current ruleset, but I will gleefully pretend that Agora an

DIS: Re: BUS: Registration and Other Business

2024-11-16 Thread Mischief via agora-discussion
On 11/16/24 12:14 PM, RadicalRose via agora-business wrote: I intend to pay 5 Spendies to grant myself 2 RadicalRose stamps. Based on the back and forth discussion and rule 2579's text (requiring that fee-based action announcements "indicate intent to pay that fee for the sole purpose of usi

Re: DIS: Proto-proposal: The Game is Afoot

2024-11-18 Thread Mischief via agora-discussion
On 11/16/24 11:51 AM, Mischief wrote: Ooo, that's even better. As I was looking into the "patch" approach, it was turning into a mess of amendments to multiple rules. Maybe it could also go into the list in rule 1742 (Contracts)... that way if it's additionally by announcement, there's a spec

Re: DIS: Proto-proposal: The Game is Afoot

2024-11-16 Thread Mischief via agora-discussion
On 11/16/24 8:17 AM, Katherina Walshe-Grey via agora-discussion wrote: Having spent a little while thinking how I would approach such a patch, I think it might be simpler to just avoid using the "fee" language in this new rule. Perhaps something like this: Whenever a contest's body prov

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 4097 assigned to Murphy

2024-11-17 Thread Mischief via agora-discussion
On 11/16/24 7:13 PM, Katherina Walshe-Grey via agora-discussion wrote: This is, to my knowledge (after a brief search through the archives), the first time in modern Agora that messages in Discord/IRC/Matrix have been recognised as argument or evidence in judicial proceedings. I'd welcome feedb

DIS: Re: [CFJ] Re: BUS: A scam? (Attn. Promotor)

2024-11-17 Thread Mischief via agora-discussion
On 11/17/24 11:43 AM, Katherina Walshe-Grey via agora-business wrote: On Sun, 2024-11-17 at 11:11 -0500, RadicalRose via agora-business wrote: I win by paying a fee of 22 Stamps with each Stamp corresponding a different active player, I intend to pay this fee for the sole purpose of winning.

DIS: Re: BUS: Infraction Exaction (attn. Referee)

2024-11-25 Thread Mischief via agora-discussion
On 11/25/24 6:15 PM, Katherina Walshe-Grey via agora-business wrote: On Mon, 2024-11-25 at 15:06 -0800, 4st nomic via agora-business wrote: I vote FOR on 9195. The previous sentence is a fingerprint. I note that 4st violated Rule 2471 in this message by claiming that the sentence "I vote FOR o

DIS: Re: BUS: Transference [attn. Spendor, Collector]

2024-11-30 Thread Mischief via agora-discussion
On 11/30/24 2:00 PM, Janet Cobb via agora-business wrote: I pay a fee of 5 spendies to transfer 1 nix stamp from the L&FD to myself. I pay a fee of 6 spendies to transfer 1 R. Lee stamp from the L&FD to myself. I pay a fee of 7 spendies to transfer 1 Mercury stamp from the L&FD to myself. Th

DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: The Game is Afoot

2024-12-01 Thread Mischief via agora-discussion
On 12/1/24 5:19 PM, Trigon via agora-business wrote: This would be almost entirely redundant because tournaments exist (and are criminally underused IMO). The differences are just that tournaments use regulations instead of contracts and that they award wins directly instead of by way of victo

Re: DIS: Two protos on recordkeeping

2024-12-08 Thread Mischief via agora-discussion
On 12/8/24 1:11 PM, Edward Murphy via agora-discussion wrote: Proto-Proposal: The Surveyor We've been having trouble lately keeping even the existing offices on track -- adding another office, even one with a seldom-changing report, makes the problem incrementally worse. In other words, de

Re: DIS: A small Referee report bug

2024-12-08 Thread Mischief via agora-discussion
On 12/8/24 6:15 AM, ais523 via agora-discussion wrote: * allow attempts to note actions/inactions/attempted actions to succeed even if the noted occurrence is not an infraction, and have the Referee's report report on such notings, but with such a noting having no other consequence

DIS: Re: Fwd: BUS: (@absurdor) ???

2024-12-31 Thread Mischief via agora-discussion
On 12/31/24 6:41 PM, Janet Cobb via agora-business wrote: Gratuitous: This is trivially FALSE. "in this message" means the message in which the CFJ was called. Ha, initially I didn't even catch that the first sentence is a counterargument to the second. The point being, "this" has more tha

Re: DIS: Proto Contest: Backroom Casino

2025-01-01 Thread Mischief via agora-discussion
On 1/1/25 9:04 PM, Janet Cobb via agora-discussion wrote: I mean, that's certainly better, but I guess I was imagining some form of skill being required. These were pitched as minigames or small tournaments. I'll think about it, I guess (and it's moot if nobody else would object anyway). I do

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2025-01-07 Thread Mischief via agora-discussion
On 1/7/25 4:34 PM, Owen C via agora-business wrote: I transfer 1 Jackrabbit stamp to myself from the L&FD for 5 spendies I transfer 1 Mercury stamp to myself from the L&FD for 6 spendies Janet grabbed the last Jackrabbit stamp, so the first action fails. That in turn caused the second action

DIS: Re: (CFJ, @Arbitor) Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Propositions 9211-9214

2025-02-06 Thread Mischief via agora-discussion
On 2/5/25 1:02 PM, ais523 via agora-business wrote: On Wed, 2025-02-05 at 17:44 +, Katherina Walshe-Grey via agora- business wrote: On Wed, 2025-02-05 at 02:16 -0600, secretsnail9 via agora-official wrote: 9211~   qenya, Mischief 1.7   De-Convoluting Mooting v1.1 9212*   Mischief   

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Pushing

2025-02-07 Thread Mischief via agora-discussion
On 2/6/25 8:20 AM, juan via agora-discussion wrote: That's why I created a civic duty rewarding scheme for deactivations that no one seemed to notice. For those of us drawing a blank here, could you remind us? -- Mischief Collector, Illuminator, Prime Minister Hat: steampunk hat Vitality: gho

DIS: Re: BUS: Spending [attn. Spendor, Collector]

2025-01-31 Thread Mischief via agora-discussion
On 1/31/25 6:10 PM, Janet Cobb via agora-business wrote: Ten times, I pay a fee of two spendies to gain one radiance. Janet Cobb Nine of these failed https://www.mail-archive.com/agora-business@agoranomic.org/msg47444.html -- Mischief Collector, Illuminator, Prime Minister Hat: steampunk hat

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Spending [attn. Spendor, Collector]

2025-01-31 Thread Mischief via agora-discussion
On 1/31/25 9:10 PM, Janet Cobb via agora-discussion wrote: Ah, oops. However, only 7 should have failed since I was transferred 4 spendies for that CFJ whose number I can't look up right now. -sigh- This is why we need a Spendor. -- Mischief Collector, Illuminator, Prime Minister Hat: steamp

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Propositions 9197-9201

2024-12-16 Thread Mischief via agora-discussion
On 12/16/24 5:06 PM, Janet Cobb via agora-business wrote: On 12/15/24 16:45, secretsnail9 via agora-official wrote: 9197~ Mischief, ais523, Kate 1.5 The Game is Afoot PRESENT. "by an announcement" isn't defined; it should be "by announcement, clearly identifying [...]". Rule 2201 uses

DIS: Re: BUS: Boulder & (maybe) welcome pack

2024-12-16 Thread Mischief via agora-discussion
On 12/14/24 7:01 PM, Brian Blomlie via agora-business wrote: Also, in case I was not a player last time I attempted to grant myself a welcome package, I grant myself a welcome package now. If your attempt to do so failed, then ais523's shortly after succeeded (CFJ 4100 will indirectly determ

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Propositions 9197-9201

2024-12-16 Thread Mischief via agora-discussion
On 12/16/24 5:48 PM, Janet Cobb via agora-discussion wrote: None of those options in Rule 2201 are defining *new* actions, whereas this clause is. "Denying" the claim has its natural language meaning, "publish" is well-defined, and "initiate an inquiry case" is well-defined (except for "inquiry

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Propositions 9197-9201

2024-12-20 Thread Mischief via agora-discussion
On 12/20/24 8:49 PM, ais523 via agora-business wrote: 9199~   Mischief    1.0   Rare Stamps, Differently AGAINST, breakable by new players joining Could you explain this a bit more? The problem isn't obvious to me. Yes, a welcome package usually creates a rare stamp, but it's i

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [CFJ] Ceci n'est pas mon message

2025-01-11 Thread Mischief via agora-discussion
On 1/11/25 12:48 PM, Janet Cobb via agora-discussion wrote: Hmm. I think I'd argue that, regardless, people who are doing that are not truly subscribed to the forum. For instance, if mail-archive went down but the lists themselves stayed up, I don't think we'd accept that the lists have ceased t

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