Thanks Clifton. Waiting until the next update for Mavericks as everything I
have read about it hasn't been stellar, but will definitely save this away for
when I eventually do upgrade.
On Dec 15, 2013, at 12:48 PM, Kliphton --- wrote:
> Well, in mavericks this has changed. The drag and dro
Hi,
Dragging a mailbox to the favorites bar has worked for me in Mavericks.
I am in standard view though, and turned on full screen mode with command-ctrl
f.
Interact with the mailbox to be dragged.
Command comma to start the dragging process. Move to favourites bar but don’t
interact. I could
Well, in mavericks this has changed. The drag and drop feature, for mailboxes,
at least for me hasn’t worked since I upgraded. What has worked, is the mouse
down and up command. So mouse down on the mailbox you want to add to
favorites, this is command, option, control, and shift plus the spa
Hey Nick,
Wow, not sure what worked, but got both the mailboxes there after trying
several several different combinations, including toggling cursor tacking on
and off, trying to move the VO focus got several error messages about not being
able to move VO focus and mailbox is not draggable but
HI Bryan,
I quite frequently use this and have always had success. Instead of using
VO-Period to drop, however, try using VO-shift-period or VO-shift-comma while
interacting with the Favourites Bar and while VO is focussed on one of your
other favourites. These commands of course should drop the
Hey all,
Ugh I had to delete all my email accounts in gmail and reinstall them and lost
all of my favorites. I went back to our old notes on dragging and dropping a
mailbox in to favorites in Mountain Lion as I am still running Mountain Lion,
and of course again I can't get the mailbox to drop
Hey Tim,
Just tried hiding everything, and unfortunately got the same problem. When
running through F3, 4, and 5 it told me the drafts mailbox was in focus, but
when I tried using the keyboard and trackpad both to move the folder, got the
same problem the mouse one jumped into the messages tabl
Hey Tim,
No I don't use a braille display, can't read it.In visuals, the VO tab is
selected. Show VO cursor is checked, Magnification of VO is set to 1 So it
looks like everything is set correctly, might be just one of those VO quirks I
have going. So strange that I was able to remove the first
Hi Brian,
I was playing a little again last night and noted the following which may help
you.
1. With Mail open, I went to the Finder with cmd-tab. navigated to a folder,
pressed VO-cmd-f5 to make sure the mouse pointer was with VO, and was surprised
to notice that:
• pressing VO-f3 told me
Hmm. Nothing there should be causing any issues related to mouse movement.
The only things I have different is that I check both the "Allow Cursor
Wrapping" and "Skip Redundant Labels" but I can't see how that would affect
anything.
• Do you have or use a Braille display?
• In the Visuals sec
Hey that's kind of personal Tim. Kidding.
keyboard focus follows VO cursor Checked, Vo cursor follows keyboard focus
checked, insertion point follows VO cursor checked, VO cursor follows insertion
point checked, mouse pointer follows VO, allow cursor wrapping unchecked, skip
redundant labels un
Hi Brian,
In your VO Utility, in the Navigation category, tell me what is checked and not
checked please.
Later...
Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada
On 2013-05-30, at 6:46 PM, Brian Fischler wrote:
> Hey Tim, Interesting, actually we were talking about the same thing, I meant
> with the
Hey Tim, Interesting, actually we were talking about the same thing, I meant
with the trackpad commander turned off not VO. Anyway, this is interesting as
when I do a VO F3 on the desktop I get the folder is under VO cursor, when I do
a VO F4I get the folder is under the ,keyboard focus, , but w
Brian,
Oops, sorry for not being entirely clear. VO needs to be on but the trackpad
commander should be turned off. Yes, you are correct, when doing all this
Dragging and Dropping stuff that we've been fighting with, the trackpad
commander DOES need to be turned off. So, with VO on, the trac
Hey Tim,
I hope I was doing what you wanted me to check, as when I moved around the
desktop I had VO on the trackpad turned on. Was it also supposed to be off, as
when I try and move the mailbox out of favorites I thought VO on the trackpad
had to be off. Moving around the desktop and double ta
Brian,
How does the trackpad behave when not in Mail? Try going to the Finder,
navigating to something located on your Desktop, make sure that the mouse
pointer is at the VO-Cursor location with VO-cmd-f5 then double-click on your
trackpad. Does it open the selected item or does it do the App
Hey Tim,
I did have safari open in the background. I have shut it quit mail, and toggled
VO off and on, then relaunched mail, but even with safari closed can't seem to
get the mouse down to remove the mailbox and the trackpad still seems to want
to open the Apple menu. I am thinking it is someh
Brian,
By any chance, do you have Safari open behind Mail? The only time that I've
had VO bringing up that Apple menu thing was when focus supposedly was
somewhere on a web-page and VO wasn't tracking very cooperatively. If not, let
me know and I'll keep testing to see if I can duplicate this
Hi Jürgen,
It shouldn't matter whether you're in Classic or the newer layout, and turning
Cursor Tracking off tends not to work with the newer form of Drag & Drop. Some
things to try that I've noticed:
• do not use Full-Screen mode.
• If you exit Full-Screen mode after being in it, the Drag &
Hi Brian,
oh, I didn't try the modern layout. This I could try. I'll tell you what
happened. Thanks for the idea.
All the best
Jürgen
Am 29.05.2013 um 15:03 schrieb Brian Fischler :
> Hey Jürgen
>
> Did you try doing all of this in non classic view? I am the one who started
> this thread and
Hi Nic,
no, Tim's instruction didn't suggest so. It was Ricardo if I'm right. But to be
very sure I tried both, either didn't work.
All the best
Jürgen
Am 29.05.2013 um 17:29 schrieb Nicholas Parsons :
> Hi Les,
> I decided to get the TrackPad with my iMac, but I'm sure the Magic Mouse will
>
Hi Les,
I decided to get the TrackPad with my iMac, but I'm sure the Magic Mouse will
work just the same. I suppose you'll just need to click and drag the mouse away
from your iMac instead of clicking and swiping on the TrackPad. Let us know if
you have any difficulties with that.
Jürgen,
I'm n
Hey Thought you might be on to something about drafts, but I just cleared the
folder out so there ar eno messages, and am still getting the same issues when
I do the mouse down it opens some Apple menu and of course I can't even scroll
through whatever Apple menu it is opening, so unfortunately
Hi Brian!
I've been following this thread!
I've not done any of this myself but was wondering because you've mentioned
drafts!
That mailbox can appear and disappear so would it make a difference if you have
a drafted message in the box then tried to move it!
Only guessing!
Colin
On 29 May 2013,
Hey Jürgen
Did you try doing all of this in non classic view? I am the one who started
this thread and wasn't able to move a mailbox into the favorites until I tried
all of Tim's great steps with classic view turned off. Good luck
On May 29, 2013, at 5:37 AM, Jürgen Fleger wrote:
> Jürgen
--
Hey guys,
Must be some kind of a VO issue on my machine, as I followed all of your steps
exactly from the F5 and sure enough the drafts mailbox was under the VO cursor
the entire time. I also checked my settings per Tim's email and my navigation
was properly set up per his suggestions. I am sti
Hi Guys,
as someone said in an earlier post: I don't want to crash the party but it
still doesn't work for me. I did everything exactly as Tim described. I
disabled VoiceOver cursor in VO settings under Visual and set the level from 4
to 1. I removed the preview pane and tried all the possibili
Hi,
you would need to use a mouse then.
Ricardo Walker
rica...@appletothecore.info
Twitter:@apple2thecore
www.appletothecore.info
On May 29, 2013, at 1:18 AM, Les Kriegler wrote:
> Hi Nick,
>
> I'm using an iMac and don't use a track pad. How would I remove a mailbox
> from the Favorites Ba
Hi Nick,
I'm using an iMac and don't use a track pad. How would I remove a mailbox from
the Favorites Bar without a track pad? Thanks; I've been saving most of these
messages from within this conversation as this is very instructive.
Les
On May 28, 2013, at 11:21 PM, Nicholas Parsons
wrote:
Brian,
One thing you could check in addition to Nick's thorough steps, is in the
Navigation section of the VO Utility. The last pop-up menu just before the
"Allow Cursor Wrapping" checkbox, says something about the Mouse Pointer and
how it is affected by VO. I usually set it to "Follows VO Cu
HI,
Re getting rid of favourites:
• Do not use the VO-shift-space keystroke. As Tim said-
1. Navigate to the mailbox you wish to remove;
2. Make sure your TrackPad commander is off by holding down the VO
keys and rotating two fingers counter clockwise on th
Thanks Nick, I appreciate your comments. It's good to have multiple
ideas/processes for folks as it seems that, depending on settings and personal
preferences, some of these behaviours react differently between users. It
seemed like an issue that deserved special attention due to the fact that
Well done, detective Tim. Sounds like you've uncovered one of the mysteries. My
show VoiceOver curser setting was checked and the magnification set to 1. From
what Ricardo said, it sounds like the actual lines outlining the VoiceOver
curser might be blocking the mailbox when magnification is hig
Ah!
I think you might have cracked the code. haha!! I just checked my settings,
and I have show the Voiceover cursor unchecked, and I was able to drag and drop
with little or no problems.
Ricardo Walker
rica...@appletothecore.info
Twitter:@apple2thecore
www.appletothecore.info
On May 27, 201
Hi,
I will test some more and see if I can duplicate what's happening for you
Brian. I haven't got that issue since I fixed the magnification setting but
that doesn't mean it won't happen if I do the right thing. Let's just hope I'm
paying good enough attention to what I'm doing to figure out
Try dropping before or after, but don't interact with the favorites bar
itself.
Take Care
John D. Panarese
Director
Mac for the Blind
Tel, (631) 724-4479
Email, j...@macfortheblind.com
Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com
APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL FOR MAC OSX Mountain Lion and
Hey Tim,
Very impressive that you discovered that 1 and 3 setting in visual. I adjusted
my setting to 1 as it was set to 3, and for the first time VO common would mark
and drag the mailbox, as I didn't get the hidden message. However, it wouldn't
drop it. It said unable to drop mailbox. I tried
OK. This is interesting. I don't know how you discovered this, but this
makes my success a lot more regular now on my Mini.
Take Care
John D. Panarese
Director
Mac for the Blind
Tel, (631) 724-4479
Email, j...@macfortheblind.com
Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com
APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPO
Brian,
Did you check your VO settings that I mentioned in my previous post? I, too,
was unable to do anything on my MacBook Pro until today when I adjusted those
settings. A couple other things to note that weren't mentioned in my post:
• I was performing this using the regular view, not Clas
I tried moving a mailbox in classic mail and in the regular version, and of
course got the same error message in both that the mailbox is not draggable. I
also wasn't able to do it the old way with a VO shift space bar, which is what
worked a few weeks ago when I first wanted to move the mailbox
Hi,
Eureka!!! At least for me anyway. I thought that it was possibly VO cursor
related and it appears that the issue has something to do with the
magnification of the VoiceOver Cursor. In the VoiceOver Utility, in the
visuals category under the VoiceOver Cursor tab, all my machines were set
Yeah, I agree with you John. Both my iMac running 10.8.3 and MacPro running
the same work properly for the most part. Not as functional as Nicholas
mentioned whereby he could drop it in a specific place in the Favourites bar
but it at least works way better than my MBP. This is an interesting
There has to be some setting that is not obvious or some configuration
option. It just seems strange that some of us are having little to no problems
while others are not able to do it at all.
Take Care
John D. Panarese
Director
Mac for the Blind
Tel, (631) 724-4479
Email, j...@macforthebl
My 2 cents:
• I have all the same relevant settings as John.
• I can successfully drag and drop mailboxes to the favourites bar on both my
iMac and MacBook Air. Just tested now on my MacBook Air and it worked first
time.
• I interact with the mailbox list before dragging, but not with the mailbo
Thanks for the info Brian. I'll keep digging.
Later...
Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada
On 2013-05-26, at 9:09 PM, Brian Fischler wrote:
> Hey guys, Just wanted to chime in as I am having the problem of moving a
> mailbox on the iMac. Not sure why this would be related to a desktop or
>
Hey guys, Just wanted to chime in as I am having the problem of moving a
mailbox on the iMac. Not sure why this would be related to a desktop or laptop,
but stranger things have occurred with VO.
On May 26, 2013, at 10:05 PM, Tim Kilburn wrote:
> Hi John,
>
> Just for fun, I went downstairs an
Hi John,
Just for fun, I went downstairs and tried this on my iMac server. The iMac is
running the same fully updated version of MacOS, same fully updated version of
Mail and has the Magic Trackpad instead of a mouse. Low and behold, it worked
like a charm on the iMac. All my testing over th
Hi Tim,
I don't use Trackpad commander either. I'd love to get to the bottom of
this as it's baffling me as to the hit or miss nature of this process and how
some folks just can't get it to work at all.
Take Care
John D. Panarese
Director
Mac for the Blind
Tel, (631) 724-4479
Email, j...@m
Hi John,
I, too, have all cursors tracking each other, but use Grouping in web-pages. I
do not use the Trackpad commander for any of this as I'm just too used to doing
things the keyboard way on my Mac. I will change things to Dom navigation just
for fun to see if that makes any difference.
Hi Tim,
I have the standard view for Mail. I have all my cursors tracking one
another and I have nothing special changed in the Web category. I use DOM
order for navigation. I suggested the move window menu because many people are
not aware you can do this. I completely forgot about it un
John,
I'm wondering
• what your VO settings are, specifically navigation and web.
• what view you're Mail is in.
• Is your Preview pane active or not.
I have made this work on occasion but after seeing others frustration in this
thread was attempting to play with things a little to determine w
Hey, as much as I hate that I am not the only one having this problem, thanks
for letting me know, as it is nice to know I am not being completely oblivious
and that others are also having the problem of moving mailboxes. I have given
up trying as I got a sighted person to do what I needed to do
There are VO commands to move windows around. If you use VO-shift-accent ,
you will access the menus for dong this. You might want to experiment with
them to see if it helps.
Take Care
John D. Panarese
Director
Mac for the Blind
Tel, (631) 724-4479
Email, j...@macfortheblind.com
Website,
Just for fun I tried again to move a mailbox to the favoritesbar in Mountain
Lion OS X 10.8.3 by using VO + komma. I closed the preview pan, maximized the
window and pressed VO + Shift + F2 to get the window even more to the
foreground. It didn't help at all. The message: the window could be hid
Hi,
Just curious, do you have the preview pane open in Mail? I don't, I'm
wondering if this might be why your having difficulty moving a mailbox to
favorites, an I'm not?
Ricardo Walker
rica...@appletothecore.info
Twitter:@apple2thecore
www.appletothecore.info
On May 24, 2013, at 6:46 PM, Br
It works here. I just tried it with another mailbox. I'm not at all sure
why it's not working for you.
Take Care
John D. Panarese
Director
Mac for the Blind
Tel, (631) 724-4479
Email, j...@macfortheblind.com
Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com
APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL FOR
Hey John,
Yes, I did exactly what you said to do, and yes, the favorites bar was showing,
spent hours on this trying everything VO comma, and the old way VO shift space
bar, and couldn't get anything to work. Finally, I gave up and had a sighted
person come over and do it in 2 seconds. These ar
Hi Brian,
It isn't easy, but adding mailboxes to the favorites bar is doable with
VoiceOver. You must be sure the favorites bar is showing first off, and then,
be sure you mark the mailbox for drag and drop and then navigate to the
favorites bar itself to drop the mailbox. I don't think yo
Hey Nicholas,
You must be one of the very few lucky ones to never have had an I hate my mac
day. I tried exactly what you suggested, even quit every application closed
everything and restarted my mac, then opened mail first after a restart, and
still got the message VO cannot drag the item as t
I've never had an "I hate Mac day" myself.
When it says something is hidden, I think it usually means there's some other
window or application blocking that item on the screen. Using VoiceOver it is
of course very difficult to get an idea of what this might be. So what usually
works for me is j
Ah I am having one of those I hate mac days. Everything was working fine than
the mailbox I had moved into my favorites and all of its contents had vanished.
I of course recreated it and am now once again having the problem of moving it
back into favorites as the method I used before which I bel
Hmm,
good point. the view pane is closed for me, and I'm using standard view.
Ricardo Walker
rica...@appletothecore.info
Twitter:@apple2thecore
www.appletothecore.info
On May 20, 2013, at 4:17 AM, Nicholas Parsons
wrote:
> Hi Jürgen,
>
> Okay, so maybe there's nothing to be done about it. Th
Yes I have. Unfortunately without luck.
All the best
Jürgen
Am 20.05.2013 um 16:39 schrieb Teresa Cochran :
> Have you tried using full-screen mode with command-control-f? This works
> consistently for me.
>
> HtH,
> Teresa
> On May 20, 2013, at 7:08 AM, Jürgen Fleger wrote:
>
>> Hi Donna,
>>
Have you tried using full-screen mode with command-control-f? This works
consistently for me.
HtH,
Teresa
On May 20, 2013, at 7:08 AM, Jürgen Fleger wrote:
> Hi Donna,
>
> how do you open messages? Just by pressing VO + j to jump to the preview
> window or do you hit Enter to open?
>
> I'm u
Hi Donna,
how do you open messages? Just by pressing VO + j to jump to the preview window
or do you hit Enter to open?
I'm used to press VO + j.
All the best
Jürgen
Am 20.05.2013 um 11:00 schrieb Donna Goodin :
> Hi Jurgen,
>
> I just tried to drag and drop a mailbox, and got the same message
Hi Nic,
oh, please feel free to give me more ideas what to do to solve the issue.
I tried your suggestions to change the view to the modern view. I actually
prefere to use classic layout but just for this it was worth a try.
Unfortunately it didn't work.
My hope is Apple will develop VO furt
Hi Jurgen,
I just tried to drag and drop a mailbox, and got the same message, "Mailbox is
not drag able, may be hidden." I arrowed over to the messages table and opened
one of the messages, then went back to the mailbox and tried again, and that
time it worked, using VO-Comma and VO-Period.
J
Hi Jürgen,
Okay, so maybe there's nothing to be done about it. That would be strange and
unfortunate though.
I won't waste your time with trying things you've already done, but one last
idea – could it have anything to do with the view you're using in Mail? E.g.
classic versus modern view? Whe
Hi Nic,
thanks for encouraging me not to give up. :-)
Unfortunately I tried everything possible, I suppose, even VO + Shift + F2 and
CTRL + CMD + f and both together.
I tried both methods VO + komma and VO + period and the conventional way using
VO + CMD + Shift + spacebar and so on.
As I wro
Hi Jürgen,
This is odd because it works perfectly for me. I'm sure we must be able to get
it to work for you too.
For me, the best way to get mailboxes from my mailbox list into the favourites
bar is to use the VO-Period and VO-SHIFT-Period commands.
Are you able to describe the steps you've t
Hi, Brian,
I've had success with both methods discussed in this thread. Try doing this
with full screen mode, command-control F while in Mail.
HtH,
Teresa
On May 18, 2013, at 5:06 PM, Brian Fischler wrote:
> Hey Ricardo,
>
> Hilarious, I was going to email that I was doing exactly what you sa
Hey Ricardo,
Hilarious, I was going to email that I was doing exactly what you said and it
wasn't working, and then I said let me try one more thing. I turned cursor
tracking off, and amazingly for some reason that worked. Of course, don't ask
me to try that again, but I got the mailbox into my
Hi,
first, I interact with the mailbox list, find the mailbox I want, and press VO
command shift spacebar. Then, I navigate to the favorites bar but, I didn't
interact with it. I dropped it right there with VO shift command spacebar again.
Ricardo Walker
rica...@appletothecore.info
Twitter:@app
Hey Ricardo,
Still no luck here. Just to make sure I am doing this properly. I went to the
mailbox I want to put into favorites. I clicked VO command shift spacebar. VO
says mouse down on, then I hear the scratching noise as if the mailbox is being
dragged. Then I tried both going to the favor
Hi,
Yeah. It worked for me. Its VO command shift spacebar on the folder/mailbox,
and VO command shift space again on the favorites bar.
Ricardo Walker
rica...@appletothecore.info
Twitter:@apple2thecore
www.appletothecore.info
On May 18, 2013, at 6:18 PM, Brian Fischler wrote:
> Hey Ricard
Hey Ricardo, We're you successfully able to paste something the old fashion way
from your mailbox list to your favorites? I tried it, and while I did get that
scratching sound after VO shift space on the mailbox I want to move to
favorites when I went to drop it I think it is VO space into my fa
Hi,
How about drag and drop the old fashioned way? I just tried that, and it
worked for me. This is done with VO command shift spacebar.
Ricardo Walker
rica...@appletothecore.info
Twitter:@apple2thecore
www.appletothecore.info
On May 18, 2013, at 3:27 PM, Brian Fischler wrote:
> Yes, Have t
Same issue occurs here since the feature was added to VO on both of my Macs. I
also tried the various hints found in this list but without luck. All you can
do in my opinion is to write to
accessibil...@apple.com
to tell them your issue and the wish to solve it as soon as possible.
All the best
Yes, Have tried all of this in full screen and none full screen but get the
same error message that the mailbox is not draggable and might be hidden
On May 18, 2013, at 2:49 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote:
> Hi,
>
> have you tried putting Mail into full screen mode?
>
>
>
> Ricardo Walker
> rica..
Hi,
have you tried putting Mail into full screen mode?
Ricardo Walker
rica...@appletothecore.info
Twitter:@apple2thecore
www.appletothecore.info
On May 18, 2013, at 2:28 PM, Brian Fischler wrote:
> Hey all,
>
> I know that has been covered before, and I have read what I could
> find, but ha
Hey all,
I know that has been covered before, and I have read what I could
find, but have had no luck. I am trying to drag and drop a mailbox
into my favorites in mac mail. I have tried using the keyboard keys VO
comma, and have of course gotten the mailbox may be hidden message. I
tried doing a c
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