Hey guys, Just wanted to chime in as I am having the problem of moving a mailbox on the iMac. Not sure why this would be related to a desktop or laptop, but stranger things have occurred with VO. On May 26, 2013, at 10:05 PM, Tim Kilburn <kilbur...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi John, > > Just for fun, I went downstairs and tried this on my iMac server. The iMac > is running the same fully updated version of MacOS, same fully updated > version of Mail and has the Magic Trackpad instead of a mouse. Low and > behold, it worked like a charm on the iMac. All my testing over the last > while was on my 15" MacBook Pro where it wasn't working properly. I'll try > again at work tomorrow on my MacPro to see if the problems are more related > to the MBP/laptop but not so present on the Desktop units. Then comes trying > to figure out why. > > I'll let you know how things go. > > Have a good one. > > Later... > > Tim Kilburn > Fort McMurray, AB Canada > > On 2013-05-26, at 10:10 AM, John Panarese <jpanar...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Hi Tim, >> I don't use Trackpad commander either. I'd love to get to the bottom of >> this as it's baffling me as to the hit or miss nature of this process and >> how some folks just can't get it to work at all. >> >> >> Take Care >> >> John D. Panarese >> Director >> Mac for the Blind >> Tel, (631) 724-4479 >> Email, j...@macfortheblind.com >> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com >> >> APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL FOR MAC OSX Mountain Lion and LION >> >> AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE >> >> MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT >> >> >> >> >> On May 26, 2013, at 12:04 PM, Tim Kilburn <kilbur...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Hi John, >>> >>> I, too, have all cursors tracking each other, but use Grouping in >>> web-pages. I do not use the Trackpad commander for any of this as I'm just >>> too used to doing things the keyboard way on my Mac. I will change things >>> to Dom navigation just for fun to see if that makes any difference. >>> >>> Thanks for your response and insight. >>> >>> Later... >>> >>> Tim Kilburn >>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada >>> >>> On 2013-05-26, at 9:57 AM, John Panarese <jpanar...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Tim, >>>> I have the standard view for Mail. I have all my cursors tracking one >>>> another and I have nothing special changed in the Web category. I use DOM >>>> order for navigation. I suggested the move window menu because many >>>> people are not aware you can do this. I completely forgot about it until >>>> I stumbled across those commands while training someone who asked me about >>>> VoiceOver's ability to move objects and windows around the screen. >>>> >>>> Oddly enough, I spent some time messing with this and it's hit or miss. >>>> I can consistently get it to work sometimes, but other times, I can't >>>> seem to drop the mailbox onto the favorites bar. I need to try this with >>>> someone sighted here so I can find out what might be going on. >>>> >>>> >>>> Take Care >>>> >>>> John D. Panarese >>>> Director >>>> Mac for the Blind >>>> Tel, (631) 724-4479 >>>> Email, j...@macfortheblind.com >>>> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com >>>> >>>> APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL FOR MAC OSX Mountain Lion and LION >>>> >>>> AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE >>>> >>>> MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On May 26, 2013, at 11:19 AM, Tim Kilburn <kilbur...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> John, >>>>> >>>>> I'm wondering >>>>> >>>>> • what your VO settings are, specifically navigation and web. >>>>> • what view you're Mail is in. >>>>> • Is your Preview pane active or not. >>>>> >>>>> I have made this work on occasion but after seeing others frustration in >>>>> this thread was attempting to play with things a little to determine why >>>>> things might be not working for them. In my testing, I was unable to >>>>> make the Drag and Drop to Favourites work for me either. Kind of >>>>> interesting considering that I did make it work in the past and have sent >>>>> responses assisting others. Anyway, I'll put some notes below on my >>>>> experiences: >>>>> >>>>> • You must Interact with the Mailbox to be able to mark it for Drag and >>>>> Drop. >>>>> • Items that are expandable usually cannot be dragged around. These are >>>>> items such as Sent mail that is expandable due to the fact that you have >>>>> multiple Mailboxes within the Mail app. >>>>> • When I mark something to drag, focus moves to the Messages Table of >>>>> that Mailbox, so extra steps of uninteracting must be performed prior to >>>>> moving over to the Favourites bar. I tried changing VO cursor settings >>>>> to affect this with no real success. >>>>> • VO marks the item, drags it but then says that it was unable to drop it >>>>> on the Favourites bar. >>>>> • I already have eight items in my Favourite bar so thought that maybe >>>>> that was a limit, so I pulled one item out. No change in behaviour >>>>> although I did have to ask my daughter to put the item back in because I >>>>> couldn't get the Drag and Drop to work properly. >>>>> • No joy whether I use the old fashioned VO-cmd-space Drag and Drop >>>>> method instead of the VO-comma/VO-period method. >>>>> • In fact, I had to restart my MBP at one point as my daughter said that >>>>> the Trackpad button wasn't responding properly even when she was trying >>>>> things, probably got messed up with all my on/off playing. >>>>> >>>>> Any specifics that you have that could assist in this would be >>>>> appreciated. >>>>> >>>>> Have a good one. >>>>> >>>>> Later... >>>>> >>>>> Tim Kilburn >>>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada >>>>> >>>>> On 2013-05-25, at 10:37 AM, John Panarese <jpanar...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> There are VO commands to move windows around. If you use >>>>>> VO-shift-accent , you will access the menus for dong this. You might >>>>>> want to experiment with them to see if it helps. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Take Care >>>>>> >>>>>> John D. Panarese >>>>>> Director >>>>>> Mac for the Blind >>>>>> Tel, (631) 724-4479 >>>>>> Email, j...@macfortheblind.com >>>>>> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com >>>>>> >>>>>> APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL FOR MAC OSX Mountain Lion and LION >>>>>> >>>>>> AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE >>>>>> >>>>>> MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On May 25, 2013, at 6:39 AM, Jürgen Fleger <apple-engl...@fleger.net> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Just for fun I tried again to move a mailbox to the favoritesbar in >>>>>>> Mountain Lion OS X 10.8.3 by using VO + komma. I closed the preview >>>>>>> pan, maximized the window and pressed VO + Shift + F2 to get the window >>>>>>> even more to the foreground. It didn't help at all. The message: the >>>>>>> window could be hidden by something. >>>>>>> So Brian, unfortunately you are not alone. And I agree that Apple could >>>>>>> have and should have fixed a whole bunch of issues which occurred since >>>>>>> Lion and went on in Mountain Lion. >>>>>>> The only way to bring Apple to see and fix these issues is to send >>>>>>> e-mails to >>>>>>> accessibil...@apple.com >>>>>>> as often as we can and describe the issues as detailed as we can. >>>>>>> That's my opinion. >>>>>>> All the best >>>>>>> Jürgen >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Am 25.05.2013 um 01:39 schrieb Ricardo Walker <rwalker...@gmail.com>: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Just curious, do you have the preview pane open in Mail? I don't, >>>>>>>> I'm wondering if this might be why your having difficulty moving a >>>>>>>> mailbox to favorites, an I'm not? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Ricardo Walker >>>>>>>> rica...@appletothecore.info >>>>>>>> Twitter:@apple2thecore >>>>>>>> www.appletothecore.info >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On May 24, 2013, at 6:46 PM, Brian Fischler <blindga...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hey John, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Yes, I did exactly what you said to do, and yes, the favorites bar >>>>>>>>> was showing, spent hours on this trying everything VO comma, and the >>>>>>>>> old way VO shift space bar, and couldn't get anything to work. >>>>>>>>> Finally, I gave up and had a sighted person come over and do it in 2 >>>>>>>>> seconds. These are the frustrating things with VO, and would be nice >>>>>>>>> if Apple would address. As far as I believe, there hasn't been one >>>>>>>>> single improvement to VO since Mountain Lion rolled out, and I can >>>>>>>>> only get the same answer from Apple accessibility so many times on >>>>>>>>> several issues. We are aware of the problem, but can't say when it >>>>>>>>> will be fixed. Something so simple as them reversing the web spots so >>>>>>>>> when you click VO command right bracket takes you right instead of >>>>>>>>> left, would have been nice. If they can't fix that which to me seems >>>>>>>>> something very basic to fix, and worked correctly in Lion, I don't >>>>>>>>> put a lot of stock in any VO improvements until the next operating >>>>>>>>> system comes out. I get that only a very small percentage of people >>>>>>>>> use VO, and that Apple cannot commit a great number of resources to >>>>>>>>> it, but just be honest, instead of treating us like idiots waiting >>>>>>>>> for a fix. Don't get me wrong I do appreciate Apple's commitment to >>>>>>>>> accessibility, it's the leading us to think there will be >>>>>>>>> improvements that annoys me. >>>>>>>>> On May 24, 2013, at 4:05 PM, John Panarese <jpanar...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hi Brian, >>>>>>>>>> It isn't easy, but adding mailboxes to the favorites bar is doable >>>>>>>>>> with VoiceOver. You must be sure the favorites bar is showing first >>>>>>>>>> off, and then, be sure you mark the mailbox for drag and drop and >>>>>>>>>> then navigate to the favorites bar itself to drop the mailbox. I >>>>>>>>>> don't think you need to interact with the favorites bar though to >>>>>>>>>> drop the mailbox. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Take Care >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> John D. Panarese >>>>>>>>>> Director >>>>>>>>>> Mac for the Blind >>>>>>>>>> Tel, (631) 724-4479 >>>>>>>>>> Email, j...@macfortheblind.com >>>>>>>>>> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL FOR MAC OSX Mountain Lion and >>>>>>>>>> LION >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On May 24, 2013, at 1:42 PM, Brian Fischler <blindga...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Hey Nicholas, >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> You must be one of the very few lucky ones to never have had an I >>>>>>>>>>> hate my mac day. I tried exactly what you suggested, even quit >>>>>>>>>>> every application closed everything and restarted my mac, then >>>>>>>>>>> opened mail first after a restart, and still got the message VO >>>>>>>>>>> cannot drag the item as the item might be hidden. I then did >>>>>>>>>>> everything the old fashioned way called someone who could see and >>>>>>>>>>> had them come over. They confirmed that nothing was blocking the >>>>>>>>>>> mailbox I was trying to move, and I was still getting the same >>>>>>>>>>> message. I had them drag and drop the mailbox using the mouse, and >>>>>>>>>>> they were able to do it in 2 seconds, so yes, this is obviously a >>>>>>>>>>> bug with Voiceover which leads to having a I hate my mac day, as I >>>>>>>>>>> hate not being able to do something so simple that should take me >>>>>>>>>>> two seconds. >>>>>>>>>>> On May 24, 2013, at 6:55 AM, Nicholas Parsons >>>>>>>>>>> <mr.nicholas.pars...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I've never had an "I hate Mac day" myself. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> When it says something is hidden, I think it usually means there's >>>>>>>>>>>> some other window or application blocking that item on the screen. >>>>>>>>>>>> Using VoiceOver it is of course very difficult to get an idea of >>>>>>>>>>>> what this might be. So what usually works for me is just closing >>>>>>>>>>>> that window or application and opening it again. Also try closing >>>>>>>>>>>> any other windows you might have open. Use the windows chooser >>>>>>>>>>>> (VO-F2 twice quickly) to see if there are any other windows or >>>>>>>>>>>> notifications open. Try quitting all other applications before you >>>>>>>>>>>> try dragging and dropping again. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> The commands you're using should work. 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