There are VO commands to move windows around. If you use VO-shift-accent , you will access the menus for dong this. You might want to experiment with them to see if it helps.
Take Care John D. Panarese Director Mac for the Blind Tel, (631) 724-4479 Email, j...@macfortheblind.com Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL FOR MAC OSX Mountain Lion and LION AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT On May 25, 2013, at 6:39 AM, Jürgen Fleger <apple-engl...@fleger.net> wrote: > Just for fun I tried again to move a mailbox to the favoritesbar in Mountain > Lion OS X 10.8.3 by using VO + komma. I closed the preview pan, maximized the > window and pressed VO + Shift + F2 to get the window even more to the > foreground. It didn't help at all. The message: the window could be hidden by > something. > So Brian, unfortunately you are not alone. And I agree that Apple could have > and should have fixed a whole bunch of issues which occurred since Lion and > went on in Mountain Lion. > The only way to bring Apple to see and fix these issues is to send e-mails to > accessibil...@apple.com > as often as we can and describe the issues as detailed as we can. That's my > opinion. > All the best > Jürgen > > Am 25.05.2013 um 01:39 schrieb Ricardo Walker <rwalker...@gmail.com>: > >> Hi, >> >> Just curious, do you have the preview pane open in Mail? I don't, I'm >> wondering if this might be why your having difficulty moving a mailbox to >> favorites, an I'm not? >> >> Ricardo Walker >> rica...@appletothecore.info >> Twitter:@apple2thecore >> www.appletothecore.info >> >> On May 24, 2013, at 6:46 PM, Brian Fischler <blindga...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Hey John, >>> >>> Yes, I did exactly what you said to do, and yes, the favorites bar was >>> showing, spent hours on this trying everything VO comma, and the old way VO >>> shift space bar, and couldn't get anything to work. Finally, I gave up and >>> had a sighted person come over and do it in 2 seconds. These are the >>> frustrating things with VO, and would be nice if Apple would address. As >>> far as I believe, there hasn't been one single improvement to VO since >>> Mountain Lion rolled out, and I can only get the same answer from Apple >>> accessibility so many times on several issues. We are aware of the problem, >>> but can't say when it will be fixed. Something so simple as them reversing >>> the web spots so when you click VO command right bracket takes you right >>> instead of left, would have been nice. If they can't fix that which to me >>> seems something very basic to fix, and worked correctly in Lion, I don't >>> put a lot of stock in any VO improvements until the next operating system >>> comes out. I get that only a very small percentage of people use VO, and >>> that Apple cannot commit a great number of resources to it, but just be >>> honest, instead of treating us like idiots waiting for a fix. Don't get me >>> wrong I do appreciate Apple's commitment to accessibility, it's the leading >>> us to think there will be improvements that annoys me. >>> On May 24, 2013, at 4:05 PM, John Panarese <jpanar...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Brian, >>>> It isn't easy, but adding mailboxes to the favorites bar is doable with >>>> VoiceOver. You must be sure the favorites bar is showing first off, and >>>> then, be sure you mark the mailbox for drag and drop and then navigate to >>>> the favorites bar itself to drop the mailbox. I don't think you need to >>>> interact with the favorites bar though to drop the mailbox. >>>> >>>> >>>> Take Care >>>> >>>> John D. Panarese >>>> Director >>>> Mac for the Blind >>>> Tel, (631) 724-4479 >>>> Email, j...@macfortheblind.com >>>> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com >>>> >>>> APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL FOR MAC OSX Mountain Lion and LION >>>> >>>> AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE >>>> >>>> MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On May 24, 2013, at 1:42 PM, Brian Fischler <blindga...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hey Nicholas, >>>>> >>>>> You must be one of the very few lucky ones to never have had an I hate my >>>>> mac day. I tried exactly what you suggested, even quit every application >>>>> closed everything and restarted my mac, then opened mail first after a >>>>> restart, and still got the message VO cannot drag the item as the item >>>>> might be hidden. I then did everything the old fashioned way called >>>>> someone who could see and had them come over. They confirmed that nothing >>>>> was blocking the mailbox I was trying to move, and I was still getting >>>>> the same message. I had them drag and drop the mailbox using the mouse, >>>>> and they were able to do it in 2 seconds, so yes, this is obviously a bug >>>>> with Voiceover which leads to having a I hate my mac day, as I hate not >>>>> being able to do something so simple that should take me two seconds. >>>>> On May 24, 2013, at 6:55 AM, Nicholas Parsons >>>>> <mr.nicholas.pars...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I've never had an "I hate Mac day" myself. >>>>>> >>>>>> When it says something is hidden, I think it usually means there's some >>>>>> other window or application blocking that item on the screen. Using >>>>>> VoiceOver it is of course very difficult to get an idea of what this >>>>>> might be. So what usually works for me is just closing that window or >>>>>> application and opening it again. Also try closing any other windows you >>>>>> might have open. Use the windows chooser (VO-F2 twice quickly) to see if >>>>>> there are any other windows or notifications open. Try quitting all >>>>>> other applications before you try dragging and dropping again. >>>>>> >>>>>> The commands you're using should work. 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