Hey Tim, Interesting, actually we were talking about the same thing, I meant with the trackpad commander turned off not VO. Anyway, this is interesting as when I do a VO F3 on the desktop I get the folder is under VO cursor, when I do a VO F4I get the folder is under the ,keyboard focus, , but when I do the VO F5 On the desktop, I get a ding, if I press VO F5 again I do get the inches of where the mouse must be, but it doesn't read me the same folder name it does for the F3 and F4, so I am assuming that something must be blocking it? Any ideas, but I am guessing this is also what is causing the problem with removing the folder from favorites, although I do get VO F3 F4 and F5 to all match up when I go onto the folder I want to remove in favorites. I hope I explained this all ok, thanks for all of your help and continuing to investigate. May 30, 2013, at 6:49 PM, Tim Kilburn <kilbur...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Brian, > > Oops, sorry for not being entirely clear. VO needs to be on but the trackpad > commander should be turned off. Yes, you are correct, when doing all this > Dragging and Dropping stuff that we've been fighting with, the trackpad > commander DOES need to be turned off. So, with VO on, the trackpad commander > off, move with VO to some item on your Desktop, make sure that mouse focus is > on that item as well, then use the trackpad to do a double-click the trackpad > like a sighted person would. Not the double-tap like VO users use when using > the trackpad commander or on an iOS device, an actual double-click. > > Let me know what things do. thanks for your help. > > Later... > > Tim Kilburn > Fort McMurray, AB Canada > > On 2013-05-30, at 4:40 PM, Brian Fischler <blindga...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Hey Tim, >> >> I hope I was doing what you wanted me to check, as when I moved around the >> desktop I had VO on the trackpad turned on. Was it also supposed to be off, >> as when I try and move the mailbox out of favorites I thought VO on the >> trackpad had to be off. Moving around the desktop and double tapping on a >> folder opens the folder just fine, no mention of the Apple menu like when >> trying to remove the mailbox out of favorites. Thanks. >> On May 30, 2013, at 5:10 PM, Tim Kilburn <kilbur...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Brian, >>> >>> How does the trackpad behave when not in Mail? Try going to the Finder, >>> navigating to something located on your Desktop, make sure that the mouse >>> pointer is at the VO-Cursor location with VO-cmd-f5 then double-click on >>> your trackpad. Does it open the selected item or does it do the Apple menu >>> thing there to? >>> >>> Later... >>> >>> Tim Kilburn >>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada >>> >>> On 2013-05-30, at 8:44 AM, Brian Fischler <blindga...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Hey Tim, >>>> >>>> I did have safari open in the background. I have shut it quit mail, and >>>> toggled VO off and on, then relaunched mail, but even with safari closed >>>> can't seem to get the mouse down to remove the mailbox and the trackpad >>>> still seems to want to open the Apple menu. I am thinking it is somehow >>>> focusing on the Apple menu on the top of that menu bar that runs across >>>> mail. Thanks for all of your continued efforts, and I will continue >>>> plugging away here seeing if I can get it to work. Thanks again. >>>> On May 29, 2013, at 11:30 PM, Tim Kilburn <kilbur...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Brian, >>>>> >>>>> By any chance, do you have Safari open behind Mail? The only time that >>>>> I've had VO bringing up that Apple menu thing was when focus supposedly >>>>> was somewhere on a web-page and VO wasn't tracking very cooperatively. >>>>> If not, let me know and I'll keep testing to see if I can duplicate this >>>>> in Mail for you. >>>>> >>>>> Later... >>>>> >>>>> Tim Kilburn >>>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada >>>>> >>>>> On 2013-05-29, at 8:15 AM, Brian Fischler <blindga...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hey Thought you might be on to something about drafts, but I just >>>>>> cleared the folder out so there ar eno messages, and am still getting >>>>>> the same issues when I do the mouse down it opens some Apple menu and of >>>>>> course I can't even scroll through whatever Apple menu it is opening, so >>>>>> unfortunately that didn't do the trick. Thanks for the suggestion. >>>>>> On May 29, 2013, at 9:52 AM, Red.Falcon >>>>>> <velocity.focu...@virginmedia.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi Brian! >>>>>>> I've been following this thread! >>>>>>> I've not done any of this myself but was wondering because you've >>>>>>> mentioned drafts! >>>>>>> That mailbox can appear and disappear so would it make a difference if >>>>>>> you have a drafted message in the box then tried to move it! >>>>>>> Only guessing! >>>>>>> Colin >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 29 May 2013, at 13:58, Brian Fischler <blindga...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hey guys, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Must be some kind of a VO issue on my machine, as I followed all of >>>>>>>> your steps exactly from the F5 and sure enough the drafts mailbox was >>>>>>>> under the VO cursor the entire time. I also checked my settings per >>>>>>>> Tim's email and my navigation was properly set up per his suggestions. >>>>>>>> I am still getting an Apple menu to pop open when I push down on the >>>>>>>> trackpad over the drafts mailbox when trying to remove it from the >>>>>>>> favorites bar. I also tried using the VO command shift space bar but >>>>>>>> this jumps me in to the messages pane of the drafts folder, which is >>>>>>>> weird since I used that same command to remove the other mailbox >>>>>>>> successfully that I wanted out of favorites. So it is strange that the >>>>>>>> same command will not work a second time, but nothing ever shocks me >>>>>>>> when it comes to voiceover. So strange, and its not the end of the >>>>>>>> world if the drafts mailbox stays in the favorites, but obviously >>>>>>>> would be nice to get it out of there. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> And yes, Tim I had toggled VO off and on several times previous to >>>>>>>> your suggestion, as I usually find VO needs to reboot itself at least >>>>>>>> once a day for some reason some times. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks again, and please do let me know if you think of anything else. >>>>>>>> On May 28, 2013, at 11:21 PM, Nicholas Parsons >>>>>>>> <mr.nicholas.pars...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> HI, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Re getting rid of favourites: >>>>>>>>> • Do not use the VO-shift-space keystroke. As Tim said- >>>>>>>>> 1. Navigate to the mailbox you wish to remove; >>>>>>>>> 2. Make sure your TrackPad commander is off by holding >>>>>>>>> down the VO keys and rotating two fingers counter clockwise on the >>>>>>>>> TrackPad; >>>>>>>>> 3. Use VO-command-F5 to rout the mouse pointer to the VO >>>>>>>>> curser; >>>>>>>>> 4. Press VO-F5 to check that the mouse curser is on the >>>>>>>>> mailbox you wish to remove; >>>>>>>>> 5. If it's not, repeat steps 3 and 4 until it is; >>>>>>>>> 6. Press the TrackPad down into the click position and >>>>>>>>> hold it, then drag one finger from the top of the TrackPad to the >>>>>>>>> bottom and then release the TrackPad entirely. >>>>>>>>> 7. You should here a swooshing sound indicating that the >>>>>>>>> mailbox is no longer in your favourites bar. If you don't, repeat >>>>>>>>> steps 1 through 7. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Re the checkboxes in favourites bar, these simply display the >>>>>>>>> relevant mailbox. They should really be radio buttons instead of >>>>>>>>> checkboxes, as only one can be active/checked at the one time. So >>>>>>>>> when you press command-3, for example, the third mailbox will become >>>>>>>>> checked and active. If you then navigate to the favourites bar and >>>>>>>>> check the fourth mailbox, the view will change and your fourth >>>>>>>>> mailbox will become active and in view. This is how you can still use >>>>>>>>> the favourites bar even with more than 9 mailboxes. The first nine >>>>>>>>> you can navigate to with keystrokes, the rest you need to check >>>>>>>>> manually. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Best, >>>>>>>>> Nic >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>>>> send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>>> Visit this group at >>>>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>>>>> an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>> Visit this group at >>>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>>>> an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>>> an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>>>> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>>> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> >> > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. 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