Hey that's kind of personal Tim. Kidding. keyboard focus follows VO cursor Checked, Vo cursor follows keyboard focus checked, insertion point follows VO cursor checked, VO cursor follows insertion point checked, mouse pointer follows VO, allow cursor wrapping unchecked, skip redundant labels unchecked, automatically interact when using tab key checked, enable fast searching unchecked, On May 30, 2013, at 10:37 PM, Tim Kilburn <kilbur...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Brian, > > In your VO Utility, in the Navigation category, tell me what is checked and > not checked please. > > Later... > > Tim Kilburn > Fort McMurray, AB Canada > > On 2013-05-30, at 6:46 PM, Brian Fischler <blindga...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Hey Tim, Interesting, actually we were talking about the same thing, I meant >> with the trackpad commander turned off not VO. Anyway, this is interesting >> as when I do a VO F3 on the desktop I get the folder is under VO cursor, >> when I do a VO F4I get the folder is under the ,keyboard focus, , but when I >> do the VO F5 >> On the desktop, I get a ding, if I press VO F5 again I do get the inches of >> where the mouse must be, but it doesn't read me the same folder name it does >> for the F3 and F4, so I am assuming that something must be blocking it? Any >> ideas, but I am guessing this is also what is causing the problem with >> removing the folder from favorites, although I do get VO F3 F4 and F5 to all >> match up when I go onto the folder I want to remove in favorites. I hope I >> explained this all ok, thanks for all of your help and continuing to >> investigate. May 30, 2013, at 6:49 PM, Tim Kilburn <kilbur...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> Brian, >>> >>> Oops, sorry for not being entirely clear. VO needs to be on but the >>> trackpad commander should be turned off. Yes, you are correct, when doing >>> all this Dragging and Dropping stuff that we've been fighting with, the >>> trackpad commander DOES need to be turned off. So, with VO on, the >>> trackpad commander off, move with VO to some item on your Desktop, make >>> sure that mouse focus is on that item as well, then use the trackpad to do >>> a double-click the trackpad like a sighted person would. Not the >>> double-tap like VO users use when using the trackpad commander or on an iOS >>> device, an actual double-click. >>> >>> Let me know what things do. thanks for your help. >>> >>> Later... >>> >>> Tim Kilburn >>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada >>> >>> On 2013-05-30, at 4:40 PM, Brian Fischler <blindga...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Hey Tim, >>>> >>>> I hope I was doing what you wanted me to check, as when I moved around the >>>> desktop I had VO on the trackpad turned on. Was it also supposed to be >>>> off, as when I try and move the mailbox out of favorites I thought VO on >>>> the trackpad had to be off. Moving around the desktop and double tapping >>>> on a folder opens the folder just fine, no mention of the Apple menu like >>>> when trying to remove the mailbox out of favorites. Thanks. >>>> On May 30, 2013, at 5:10 PM, Tim Kilburn <kilbur...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Brian, >>>>> >>>>> How does the trackpad behave when not in Mail? Try going to the Finder, >>>>> navigating to something located on your Desktop, make sure that the mouse >>>>> pointer is at the VO-Cursor location with VO-cmd-f5 then double-click on >>>>> your trackpad. Does it open the selected item or does it do the Apple >>>>> menu thing there to? >>>>> >>>>> Later... >>>>> >>>>> Tim Kilburn >>>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada >>>>> >>>>> On 2013-05-30, at 8:44 AM, Brian Fischler <blindga...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hey Tim, >>>>>> >>>>>> I did have safari open in the background. I have shut it quit mail, and >>>>>> toggled VO off and on, then relaunched mail, but even with safari closed >>>>>> can't seem to get the mouse down to remove the mailbox and the trackpad >>>>>> still seems to want to open the Apple menu. I am thinking it is somehow >>>>>> focusing on the Apple menu on the top of that menu bar that runs across >>>>>> mail. Thanks for all of your continued efforts, and I will continue >>>>>> plugging away here seeing if I can get it to work. Thanks again. >>>>>> On May 29, 2013, at 11:30 PM, Tim Kilburn <kilbur...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Brian, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> By any chance, do you have Safari open behind Mail? The only time that >>>>>>> I've had VO bringing up that Apple menu thing was when focus supposedly >>>>>>> was somewhere on a web-page and VO wasn't tracking very cooperatively. >>>>>>> If not, let me know and I'll keep testing to see if I can duplicate >>>>>>> this in Mail for you. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Later... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Tim Kilburn >>>>>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 2013-05-29, at 8:15 AM, Brian Fischler <blindga...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hey Thought you might be on to something about drafts, but I just >>>>>>>> cleared the folder out so there ar eno messages, and am still getting >>>>>>>> the same issues when I do the mouse down it opens some Apple menu and >>>>>>>> of course I can't even scroll through whatever Apple menu it is >>>>>>>> opening, so unfortunately that didn't do the trick. Thanks for the >>>>>>>> suggestion. >>>>>>>> On May 29, 2013, at 9:52 AM, Red.Falcon >>>>>>>> <velocity.focu...@virginmedia.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hi Brian! >>>>>>>>> I've been following this thread! >>>>>>>>> I've not done any of this myself but was wondering because you've >>>>>>>>> mentioned drafts! >>>>>>>>> That mailbox can appear and disappear so would it make a difference >>>>>>>>> if you have a drafted message in the box then tried to move it! >>>>>>>>> Only guessing! >>>>>>>>> Colin >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 29 May 2013, at 13:58, Brian Fischler <blindga...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hey guys, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Must be some kind of a VO issue on my machine, as I followed all of >>>>>>>>>> your steps exactly from the F5 and sure enough the drafts mailbox >>>>>>>>>> was under the VO cursor the entire time. I also checked my settings >>>>>>>>>> per Tim's email and my navigation was properly set up per his >>>>>>>>>> suggestions. I am still getting an Apple menu to pop open when I >>>>>>>>>> push down on the trackpad over the drafts mailbox when trying to >>>>>>>>>> remove it from the favorites bar. I also tried using the VO command >>>>>>>>>> shift space bar but this jumps me in to the messages pane of the >>>>>>>>>> drafts folder, which is weird since I used that same command to >>>>>>>>>> remove the other mailbox successfully that I wanted out of >>>>>>>>>> favorites. So it is strange that the same command will not work a >>>>>>>>>> second time, but nothing ever shocks me when it comes to voiceover. >>>>>>>>>> So strange, and its not the end of the world if the drafts mailbox >>>>>>>>>> stays in the favorites, but obviously would be nice to get it out of >>>>>>>>>> there. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> And yes, Tim I had toggled VO off and on several times previous to >>>>>>>>>> your suggestion, as I usually find VO needs to reboot itself at >>>>>>>>>> least once a day for some reason some times. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Thanks again, and please do let me know if you think of anything >>>>>>>>>> else. >>>>>>>>>> On May 28, 2013, at 11:21 PM, Nicholas Parsons >>>>>>>>>> <mr.nicholas.pars...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> HI, >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Re getting rid of favourites: >>>>>>>>>>> • Do not use the VO-shift-space keystroke. As Tim said- >>>>>>>>>>> 1. Navigate to the mailbox you wish to remove; >>>>>>>>>>> 2. Make sure your TrackPad commander is off by holding >>>>>>>>>>> down the VO keys and rotating two fingers counter clockwise on the >>>>>>>>>>> TrackPad; >>>>>>>>>>> 3. Use VO-command-F5 to rout the mouse pointer to the VO >>>>>>>>>>> curser; >>>>>>>>>>> 4. Press VO-F5 to check that the mouse curser is on the >>>>>>>>>>> mailbox you wish to remove; >>>>>>>>>>> 5. If it's not, repeat steps 3 and 4 until it is; >>>>>>>>>>> 6. Press the TrackPad down into the click position and >>>>>>>>>>> hold it, then drag one finger from the top of the TrackPad to the >>>>>>>>>>> bottom and then release the TrackPad entirely. >>>>>>>>>>> 7. You should here a swooshing sound indicating that the >>>>>>>>>>> mailbox is no longer in your favourites bar. If you don't, repeat >>>>>>>>>>> steps 1 through 7. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Re the checkboxes in favourites bar, these simply display the >>>>>>>>>>> relevant mailbox. They should really be radio buttons instead of >>>>>>>>>>> checkboxes, as only one can be active/checked at the one time. So >>>>>>>>>>> when you press command-3, for example, the third mailbox will >>>>>>>>>>> become checked and active. If you then navigate to the favourites >>>>>>>>>>> bar and check the fourth mailbox, the view will change and your >>>>>>>>>>> fourth mailbox will become active and in view. This is how you can >>>>>>>>>>> still use the favourites bar even with more than 9 mailboxes. 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