Hey, as much as I hate that I am not the only one having this problem, thanks for letting me know, as it is nice to know I am not being completely oblivious and that others are also having the problem of moving mailboxes. I have given up trying as I got a sighted person to do what I needed to do. On May 25, 2013, at 6:39 AM, Jürgen Fleger <apple-engl...@fleger.net> wrote:
> Just for fun I tried again to move a mailbox to the favoritesbar in Mountain > Lion OS X 10.8.3 by using VO + komma. I closed the preview pan, maximized the > window and pressed VO + Shift + F2 to get the window even more to the > foreground. It didn't help at all. The message: the window could be hidden by > something. > So Brian, unfortunately you are not alone. And I agree that Apple could have > and should have fixed a whole bunch of issues which occurred since Lion and > went on in Mountain Lion. > The only way to bring Apple to see and fix these issues is to send e-mails to > accessibil...@apple.com > as often as we can and describe the issues as detailed as we can. That's my > opinion. > All the best > Jürgen > > Am 25.05.2013 um 01:39 schrieb Ricardo Walker <rwalker...@gmail.com>: > >> Hi, >> >> Just curious, do you have the preview pane open in Mail? I don't, I'm >> wondering if this might be why your having difficulty moving a mailbox to >> favorites, an I'm not? >> >> Ricardo Walker >> rica...@appletothecore.info >> Twitter:@apple2thecore >> www.appletothecore.info >> >> On May 24, 2013, at 6:46 PM, Brian Fischler <blindga...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Hey John, >>> >>> Yes, I did exactly what you said to do, and yes, the favorites bar was >>> showing, spent hours on this trying everything VO comma, and the old way VO >>> shift space bar, and couldn't get anything to work. Finally, I gave up and >>> had a sighted person come over and do it in 2 seconds. These are the >>> frustrating things with VO, and would be nice if Apple would address. As >>> far as I believe, there hasn't been one single improvement to VO since >>> Mountain Lion rolled out, and I can only get the same answer from Apple >>> accessibility so many times on several issues. We are aware of the problem, >>> but can't say when it will be fixed. Something so simple as them reversing >>> the web spots so when you click VO command right bracket takes you right >>> instead of left, would have been nice. If they can't fix that which to me >>> seems something very basic to fix, and worked correctly in Lion, I don't >>> put a lot of stock in any VO improvements until the next operating system >>> comes out. I get that only a very small percentage of people use VO, and >>> that Apple cannot commit a great number of resources to it, but just be >>> honest, instead of treating us like idiots waiting for a fix. Don't get me >>> wrong I do appreciate Apple's commitment to accessibility, it's the leading >>> us to think there will be improvements that annoys me. >>> On May 24, 2013, at 4:05 PM, John Panarese <jpanar...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Brian, >>>> It isn't easy, but adding mailboxes to the favorites bar is doable with >>>> VoiceOver. You must be sure the favorites bar is showing first off, and >>>> then, be sure you mark the mailbox for drag and drop and then navigate to >>>> the favorites bar itself to drop the mailbox. I don't think you need to >>>> interact with the favorites bar though to drop the mailbox. >>>> >>>> >>>> Take Care >>>> >>>> John D. Panarese >>>> Director >>>> Mac for the Blind >>>> Tel, (631) 724-4479 >>>> Email, j...@macfortheblind.com >>>> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com >>>> >>>> APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL FOR MAC OSX Mountain Lion and LION >>>> >>>> AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE >>>> >>>> MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On May 24, 2013, at 1:42 PM, Brian Fischler <blindga...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hey Nicholas, >>>>> >>>>> You must be one of the very few lucky ones to never have had an I hate my >>>>> mac day. I tried exactly what you suggested, even quit every application >>>>> closed everything and restarted my mac, then opened mail first after a >>>>> restart, and still got the message VO cannot drag the item as the item >>>>> might be hidden. I then did everything the old fashioned way called >>>>> someone who could see and had them come over. They confirmed that nothing >>>>> was blocking the mailbox I was trying to move, and I was still getting >>>>> the same message. I had them drag and drop the mailbox using the mouse, >>>>> and they were able to do it in 2 seconds, so yes, this is obviously a bug >>>>> with Voiceover which leads to having a I hate my mac day, as I hate not >>>>> being able to do something so simple that should take me two seconds. >>>>> On May 24, 2013, at 6:55 AM, Nicholas Parsons >>>>> <mr.nicholas.pars...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I've never had an "I hate Mac day" myself. >>>>>> >>>>>> When it says something is hidden, I think it usually means there's some >>>>>> other window or application blocking that item on the screen. Using >>>>>> VoiceOver it is of course very difficult to get an idea of what this >>>>>> might be. So what usually works for me is just closing that window or >>>>>> application and opening it again. Also try closing any other windows you >>>>>> might have open. Use the windows chooser (VO-F2 twice quickly) to see if >>>>>> there are any other windows or notifications open. Try quitting all >>>>>> other applications before you try dragging and dropping again. >>>>>> >>>>>> The commands you're using should work. 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