Brian,

By any chance, do you have Safari open behind Mail?  The only time that I've 
had VO bringing up that Apple menu thing was when focus supposedly was 
somewhere on a web-page and VO wasn't tracking very cooperatively.  If not, let 
me know and I'll keep testing to see if I can duplicate this in Mail for you.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On 2013-05-29, at 8:15 AM, Brian Fischler <blindga...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hey Thought you might be on to something about drafts, but I just cleared the 
> folder out so there ar eno messages, and am still getting the same issues 
> when I do the mouse down it opens some Apple menu and of course I can't even 
> scroll through whatever Apple menu it is opening, so unfortunately that 
> didn't do the trick. Thanks for the suggestion.
> On May 29, 2013, at 9:52 AM, Red.Falcon <velocity.focu...@virginmedia.com> 
> wrote:
> 
>> Hi Brian!
>> I've been following this thread!
>> I've not done any of this myself but was wondering because you've mentioned 
>> drafts!
>> That mailbox can appear and disappear so would it make a difference if you 
>> have a drafted message in the box then tried to move it!
>> Only guessing!
>> Colin
>> 
>> On 29 May 2013, at 13:58, Brian Fischler <blindga...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hey guys,
>>> 
>>> Must be some kind of a VO issue on my machine, as I followed all of your 
>>> steps exactly from the F5 and sure enough the drafts mailbox was under the 
>>> VO cursor the entire time. I also checked my settings per Tim's email and 
>>> my navigation was properly set up per his suggestions. I am still getting 
>>> an Apple menu to pop open when I push down on the trackpad over the drafts 
>>> mailbox when trying to remove it from the favorites bar. I also tried using 
>>> the VO command shift space bar but this jumps me in to the messages pane of 
>>> the drafts folder, which is weird since I used that same command to remove 
>>> the other mailbox successfully that I wanted out of favorites. So it is 
>>> strange that the same command will not work a second time, but nothing ever 
>>> shocks me when it comes to voiceover. So strange, and its not the end of 
>>> the world if the drafts mailbox stays in the favorites, but obviously would 
>>> be nice to get it out of there. 
>>> 
>>> And yes, Tim I had toggled VO off and on several times previous to your 
>>> suggestion, as I usually find VO needs to reboot itself at least once a day 
>>> for some reason some times.
>>> 
>>> Thanks again, and please do let me know if you think of anything else.
>>> On May 28, 2013, at 11:21 PM, Nicholas Parsons 
>>> <mr.nicholas.pars...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> HI,
>>>> 
>>>> Re getting rid of favourites:
>>>>    •       Do not use the VO-shift-space keystroke. As Tim said-
>>>>    1.      Navigate to the mailbox you wish to remove;
>>>>    2.      Make sure your TrackPad commander is off by holding down the VO 
>>>> keys and rotating two fingers counter clockwise on the TrackPad;
>>>>    3.      Use VO-command-F5 to rout the mouse pointer to the VO curser;
>>>>    4.      Press VO-F5 to check that the mouse curser is on the mailbox 
>>>> you wish to remove;
>>>>    5.      If it's not, repeat steps 3 and 4 until it is;
>>>>    6.      Press the TrackPad down into the click position and hold it, 
>>>> then drag one finger from the top of the TrackPad to the bottom and then 
>>>> release the TrackPad entirely.
>>>>    7.      You should here a swooshing sound indicating that the mailbox 
>>>> is no longer in your favourites bar. If you don't, repeat steps 1 through 
>>>> 7.
>>>> 
>>>> Re the checkboxes in favourites bar, these simply display the relevant 
>>>> mailbox. They should really be radio buttons instead of checkboxes, as 
>>>> only one can be active/checked at the one time. So when you press 
>>>> command-3, for example, the third mailbox will become checked and active. 
>>>> If you then navigate to the favourites bar and check the fourth mailbox, 
>>>> the view will change and your fourth mailbox will become active and in 
>>>> view. This is how you can still use the favourites bar even with more than 
>>>> 9 mailboxes. The first nine you can navigate to with keystrokes, the rest 
>>>> you need to check manually.
>>>> 
>>>> Best,
>>>> Nic
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