Hi Brian, In your VO Utility, in the Navigation category, tell me what is checked and not checked please.
Later... Tim Kilburn Fort McMurray, AB Canada On 2013-05-30, at 6:46 PM, Brian Fischler <blindga...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hey Tim, Interesting, actually we were talking about the same thing, I meant > with the trackpad commander turned off not VO. Anyway, this is interesting as > when I do a VO F3 on the desktop I get the folder is under VO cursor, when I > do a VO F4I get the folder is under the ,keyboard focus, , but when I do the > VO F5 > On the desktop, I get a ding, if I press VO F5 again I do get the inches of > where the mouse must be, but it doesn't read me the same folder name it does > for the F3 and F4, so I am assuming that something must be blocking it? Any > ideas, but I am guessing this is also what is causing the problem with > removing the folder from favorites, although I do get VO F3 F4 and F5 to all > match up when I go onto the folder I want to remove in favorites. I hope I > explained this all ok, thanks for all of your help and continuing to > investigate. May 30, 2013, at 6:49 PM, Tim Kilburn <kilbur...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> Brian, >> >> Oops, sorry for not being entirely clear. VO needs to be on but the >> trackpad commander should be turned off. Yes, you are correct, when doing >> all this Dragging and Dropping stuff that we've been fighting with, the >> trackpad commander DOES need to be turned off. So, with VO on, the trackpad >> commander off, move with VO to some item on your Desktop, make sure that >> mouse focus is on that item as well, then use the trackpad to do a >> double-click the trackpad like a sighted person would. Not the double-tap >> like VO users use when using the trackpad commander or on an iOS device, an >> actual double-click. >> >> Let me know what things do. thanks for your help. >> >> Later... >> >> Tim Kilburn >> Fort McMurray, AB Canada >> >> On 2013-05-30, at 4:40 PM, Brian Fischler <blindga...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Hey Tim, >>> >>> I hope I was doing what you wanted me to check, as when I moved around the >>> desktop I had VO on the trackpad turned on. Was it also supposed to be off, >>> as when I try and move the mailbox out of favorites I thought VO on the >>> trackpad had to be off. Moving around the desktop and double tapping on a >>> folder opens the folder just fine, no mention of the Apple menu like when >>> trying to remove the mailbox out of favorites. Thanks. >>> On May 30, 2013, at 5:10 PM, Tim Kilburn <kilbur...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Brian, >>>> >>>> How does the trackpad behave when not in Mail? Try going to the Finder, >>>> navigating to something located on your Desktop, make sure that the mouse >>>> pointer is at the VO-Cursor location with VO-cmd-f5 then double-click on >>>> your trackpad. Does it open the selected item or does it do the Apple >>>> menu thing there to? >>>> >>>> Later... >>>> >>>> Tim Kilburn >>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada >>>> >>>> On 2013-05-30, at 8:44 AM, Brian Fischler <blindga...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hey Tim, >>>>> >>>>> I did have safari open in the background. I have shut it quit mail, and >>>>> toggled VO off and on, then relaunched mail, but even with safari closed >>>>> can't seem to get the mouse down to remove the mailbox and the trackpad >>>>> still seems to want to open the Apple menu. I am thinking it is somehow >>>>> focusing on the Apple menu on the top of that menu bar that runs across >>>>> mail. Thanks for all of your continued efforts, and I will continue >>>>> plugging away here seeing if I can get it to work. Thanks again. >>>>> On May 29, 2013, at 11:30 PM, Tim Kilburn <kilbur...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Brian, >>>>>> >>>>>> By any chance, do you have Safari open behind Mail? The only time that >>>>>> I've had VO bringing up that Apple menu thing was when focus supposedly >>>>>> was somewhere on a web-page and VO wasn't tracking very cooperatively. >>>>>> If not, let me know and I'll keep testing to see if I can duplicate this >>>>>> in Mail for you. >>>>>> >>>>>> Later... >>>>>> >>>>>> Tim Kilburn >>>>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada >>>>>> >>>>>> On 2013-05-29, at 8:15 AM, Brian Fischler <blindga...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hey Thought you might be on to something about drafts, but I just >>>>>>> cleared the folder out so there ar eno messages, and am still getting >>>>>>> the same issues when I do the mouse down it opens some Apple menu and >>>>>>> of course I can't even scroll through whatever Apple menu it is >>>>>>> opening, so unfortunately that didn't do the trick. Thanks for the >>>>>>> suggestion. >>>>>>> On May 29, 2013, at 9:52 AM, Red.Falcon >>>>>>> <velocity.focu...@virginmedia.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi Brian! >>>>>>>> I've been following this thread! >>>>>>>> I've not done any of this myself but was wondering because you've >>>>>>>> mentioned drafts! >>>>>>>> That mailbox can appear and disappear so would it make a difference if >>>>>>>> you have a drafted message in the box then tried to move it! >>>>>>>> Only guessing! >>>>>>>> Colin >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 29 May 2013, at 13:58, Brian Fischler <blindga...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hey guys, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Must be some kind of a VO issue on my machine, as I followed all of >>>>>>>>> your steps exactly from the F5 and sure enough the drafts mailbox was >>>>>>>>> under the VO cursor the entire time. I also checked my settings per >>>>>>>>> Tim's email and my navigation was properly set up per his >>>>>>>>> suggestions. I am still getting an Apple menu to pop open when I push >>>>>>>>> down on the trackpad over the drafts mailbox when trying to remove it >>>>>>>>> from the favorites bar. I also tried using the VO command shift space >>>>>>>>> bar but this jumps me in to the messages pane of the drafts folder, >>>>>>>>> which is weird since I used that same command to remove the other >>>>>>>>> mailbox successfully that I wanted out of favorites. So it is strange >>>>>>>>> that the same command will not work a second time, but nothing ever >>>>>>>>> shocks me when it comes to voiceover. So strange, and its not the end >>>>>>>>> of the world if the drafts mailbox stays in the favorites, but >>>>>>>>> obviously would be nice to get it out of there. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> And yes, Tim I had toggled VO off and on several times previous to >>>>>>>>> your suggestion, as I usually find VO needs to reboot itself at least >>>>>>>>> once a day for some reason some times. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Thanks again, and please do let me know if you think of anything else. >>>>>>>>> On May 28, 2013, at 11:21 PM, Nicholas Parsons >>>>>>>>> <mr.nicholas.pars...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> HI, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Re getting rid of favourites: >>>>>>>>>> • Do not use the VO-shift-space keystroke. As Tim said- >>>>>>>>>> 1. Navigate to the mailbox you wish to remove; >>>>>>>>>> 2. Make sure your TrackPad commander is off by holding >>>>>>>>>> down the VO keys and rotating two fingers counter clockwise on the >>>>>>>>>> TrackPad; >>>>>>>>>> 3. Use VO-command-F5 to rout the mouse pointer to the VO >>>>>>>>>> curser; >>>>>>>>>> 4. Press VO-F5 to check that the mouse curser is on the >>>>>>>>>> mailbox you wish to remove; >>>>>>>>>> 5. If it's not, repeat steps 3 and 4 until it is; >>>>>>>>>> 6. Press the TrackPad down into the click position and >>>>>>>>>> hold it, then drag one finger from the top of the TrackPad to the >>>>>>>>>> bottom and then release the TrackPad entirely. >>>>>>>>>> 7. You should here a swooshing sound indicating that the >>>>>>>>>> mailbox is no longer in your favourites bar. If you don't, repeat >>>>>>>>>> steps 1 through 7. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Re the checkboxes in favourites bar, these simply display the >>>>>>>>>> relevant mailbox. They should really be radio buttons instead of >>>>>>>>>> checkboxes, as only one can be active/checked at the one time. So >>>>>>>>>> when you press command-3, for example, the third mailbox will become >>>>>>>>>> checked and active. If you then navigate to the favourites bar and >>>>>>>>>> check the fourth mailbox, the view will change and your fourth >>>>>>>>>> mailbox will become active and in view. This is how you can still >>>>>>>>>> use the favourites bar even with more than 9 mailboxes. 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