Hey Tim, No I don't use a braille display, can't read it.In visuals, the VO tab is selected. Show VO cursor is checked, Magnification of VO is set to 1 So it looks like everything is set correctly, might be just one of those VO quirks I have going. So strange that I was able to remove the first mailbox I wanted to, but after that it stopped working. I removed it using the keyboard VO shift command space and then heard the scratching noise, and it worked fine, when I went to remove the drafts mailbox is when it stopped working. Thanks again, On May 31, 2013, at 12:12 AM, Tim Kilburn <kilbur...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hmm. Nothing there should be causing any issues related to mouse movement. > The only things I have different is that I check both the "Allow Cursor > Wrapping" and "Skip Redundant Labels" but I can't see how that would affect > anything. > > • Do you have or use a Braille display? > • In the Visuals section of the VO Utility, Caption Panel checked or not > check? Touch pane, what's the transparency level set to? Menus pane, what's > the transparency level set to? > > Sorry for prying into your personal life, I'm just nosy. > > Later... > > Tim Kilburn > Fort McMurray, AB Canada > > On 2013-05-30, at 9:52 PM, Brian Fischler <blindga...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Hey that's kind of personal Tim. Kidding. >> >> keyboard focus follows VO cursor Checked, Vo cursor follows keyboard focus >> checked, insertion point follows VO cursor checked, VO cursor follows >> insertion point checked, mouse pointer follows VO, allow cursor wrapping >> unchecked, skip redundant labels unchecked, automatically interact when >> using tab key checked, enable fast searching unchecked, >> On May 30, 2013, at 10:37 PM, Tim Kilburn <kilbur...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Hi Brian, >>> >>> In your VO Utility, in the Navigation category, tell me what is checked and >>> not checked please. >>> >>> Later... >>> >>> Tim Kilburn >>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada >>> >>> On 2013-05-30, at 6:46 PM, Brian Fischler <blindga...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Hey Tim, Interesting, actually we were talking about the same thing, I >>>> meant with the trackpad commander turned off not VO. Anyway, this is >>>> interesting as when I do a VO F3 on the desktop I get the folder is under >>>> VO cursor, when I do a VO F4I get the folder is under the ,keyboard focus, >>>> , but when I do the VO F5 >>>> On the desktop, I get a ding, if I press VO F5 again I do get the inches >>>> of where the mouse must be, but it doesn't read me the same folder name it >>>> does for the F3 and F4, so I am assuming that something must be blocking >>>> it? Any ideas, but I am guessing this is also what is causing the problem >>>> with removing the folder from favorites, although I do get VO F3 F4 and F5 >>>> to all match up when I go onto the folder I want to remove in favorites. I >>>> hope I explained this all ok, thanks for all of your help and continuing >>>> to investigate. May 30, 2013, at 6:49 PM, Tim Kilburn >>>> <kilbur...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Brian, >>>>> >>>>> Oops, sorry for not being entirely clear. VO needs to be on but the >>>>> trackpad commander should be turned off. Yes, you are correct, when >>>>> doing all this Dragging and Dropping stuff that we've been fighting with, >>>>> the trackpad commander DOES need to be turned off. So, with VO on, the >>>>> trackpad commander off, move with VO to some item on your Desktop, make >>>>> sure that mouse focus is on that item as well, then use the trackpad to >>>>> do a double-click the trackpad like a sighted person would. Not the >>>>> double-tap like VO users use when using the trackpad commander or on an >>>>> iOS device, an actual double-click. >>>>> >>>>> Let me know what things do. thanks for your help. >>>>> >>>>> Later... >>>>> >>>>> Tim Kilburn >>>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada >>>>> >>>>> On 2013-05-30, at 4:40 PM, Brian Fischler <blindga...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hey Tim, >>>>>> >>>>>> I hope I was doing what you wanted me to check, as when I moved around >>>>>> the desktop I had VO on the trackpad turned on. Was it also supposed to >>>>>> be off, as when I try and move the mailbox out of favorites I thought VO >>>>>> on the trackpad had to be off. Moving around the desktop and double >>>>>> tapping on a folder opens the folder just fine, no mention of the Apple >>>>>> menu like when trying to remove the mailbox out of favorites. Thanks. >>>>>> On May 30, 2013, at 5:10 PM, Tim Kilburn <kilbur...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Brian, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> How does the trackpad behave when not in Mail? Try going to the >>>>>>> Finder, navigating to something located on your Desktop, make sure that >>>>>>> the mouse pointer is at the VO-Cursor location with VO-cmd-f5 then >>>>>>> double-click on your trackpad. Does it open the selected item or does >>>>>>> it do the Apple menu thing there to? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Later... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Tim Kilburn >>>>>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 2013-05-30, at 8:44 AM, Brian Fischler <blindga...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hey Tim, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I did have safari open in the background. I have shut it quit mail, >>>>>>>> and toggled VO off and on, then relaunched mail, but even with safari >>>>>>>> closed can't seem to get the mouse down to remove the mailbox and the >>>>>>>> trackpad still seems to want to open the Apple menu. I am thinking it >>>>>>>> is somehow focusing on the Apple menu on the top of that menu bar that >>>>>>>> runs across mail. Thanks for all of your continued efforts, and I will >>>>>>>> continue plugging away here seeing if I can get it to work. Thanks >>>>>>>> again. >>>>>>>> On May 29, 2013, at 11:30 PM, Tim Kilburn <kilbur...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Brian, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> By any chance, do you have Safari open behind Mail? The only time >>>>>>>>> that I've had VO bringing up that Apple menu thing was when focus >>>>>>>>> supposedly was somewhere on a web-page and VO wasn't tracking very >>>>>>>>> cooperatively. If not, let me know and I'll keep testing to see if I >>>>>>>>> can duplicate this in Mail for you. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Later... >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Tim Kilburn >>>>>>>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 2013-05-29, at 8:15 AM, Brian Fischler <blindga...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hey Thought you might be on to something about drafts, but I just >>>>>>>>>> cleared the folder out so there ar eno messages, and am still >>>>>>>>>> getting the same issues when I do the mouse down it opens some Apple >>>>>>>>>> menu and of course I can't even scroll through whatever Apple menu >>>>>>>>>> it is opening, so unfortunately that didn't do the trick. Thanks for >>>>>>>>>> the suggestion. >>>>>>>>>> On May 29, 2013, at 9:52 AM, Red.Falcon >>>>>>>>>> <velocity.focu...@virginmedia.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Hi Brian! >>>>>>>>>>> I've been following this thread! >>>>>>>>>>> I've not done any of this myself but was wondering because you've >>>>>>>>>>> mentioned drafts! >>>>>>>>>>> That mailbox can appear and disappear so would it make a difference >>>>>>>>>>> if you have a drafted message in the box then tried to move it! >>>>>>>>>>> Only guessing! >>>>>>>>>>> Colin >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On 29 May 2013, at 13:58, Brian Fischler <blindga...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Hey guys, >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Must be some kind of a VO issue on my machine, as I followed all >>>>>>>>>>>> of your steps exactly from the F5 and sure enough the drafts >>>>>>>>>>>> mailbox was under the VO cursor the entire time. I also checked my >>>>>>>>>>>> settings per Tim's email and my navigation was properly set up per >>>>>>>>>>>> his suggestions. I am still getting an Apple menu to pop open when >>>>>>>>>>>> I push down on the trackpad over the drafts mailbox when trying to >>>>>>>>>>>> remove it from the favorites bar. I also tried using the VO >>>>>>>>>>>> command shift space bar but this jumps me in to the messages pane >>>>>>>>>>>> of the drafts folder, which is weird since I used that same >>>>>>>>>>>> command to remove the other mailbox successfully that I wanted out >>>>>>>>>>>> of favorites. So it is strange that the same command will not work >>>>>>>>>>>> a second time, but nothing ever shocks me when it comes to >>>>>>>>>>>> voiceover. So strange, and its not the end of the world if the >>>>>>>>>>>> drafts mailbox stays in the favorites, but obviously would be nice >>>>>>>>>>>> to get it out of there. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> And yes, Tim I had toggled VO off and on several times previous to >>>>>>>>>>>> your suggestion, as I usually find VO needs to reboot itself at >>>>>>>>>>>> least once a day for some reason some times. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks again, and please do let me know if you think of anything >>>>>>>>>>>> else. >>>>>>>>>>>> On May 28, 2013, at 11:21 PM, Nicholas Parsons >>>>>>>>>>>> <mr.nicholas.pars...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> HI, >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Re getting rid of favourites: >>>>>>>>>>>>> • Do not use the VO-shift-space keystroke. As Tim said- >>>>>>>>>>>>> 1. Navigate to the mailbox you wish to remove; >>>>>>>>>>>>> 2. Make sure your TrackPad commander is off by holding >>>>>>>>>>>>> down the VO keys and rotating two fingers counter clockwise on >>>>>>>>>>>>> the TrackPad; >>>>>>>>>>>>> 3. Use VO-command-F5 to rout the mouse pointer to the VO >>>>>>>>>>>>> curser; >>>>>>>>>>>>> 4. Press VO-F5 to check that the mouse curser is on the >>>>>>>>>>>>> mailbox you wish to remove; >>>>>>>>>>>>> 5. If it's not, repeat steps 3 and 4 until it is; >>>>>>>>>>>>> 6. Press the TrackPad down into the click position and >>>>>>>>>>>>> hold it, then drag one finger from the top of the TrackPad to the >>>>>>>>>>>>> bottom and then release the TrackPad entirely. >>>>>>>>>>>>> 7. You should here a swooshing sound indicating that the >>>>>>>>>>>>> mailbox is no longer in your favourites bar. If you don't, repeat >>>>>>>>>>>>> steps 1 through 7. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Re the checkboxes in favourites bar, these simply display the >>>>>>>>>>>>> relevant mailbox. They should really be radio buttons instead of >>>>>>>>>>>>> checkboxes, as only one can be active/checked at the one time. So >>>>>>>>>>>>> when you press command-3, for example, the third mailbox will >>>>>>>>>>>>> become checked and active. If you then navigate to the favourites >>>>>>>>>>>>> bar and check the fourth mailbox, the view will change and your >>>>>>>>>>>>> fourth mailbox will become active and in view. 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