October 2010 19:30To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.comSubject: Re: Can keyboard only navigation ever be... Hi Neil and others:I have an interesting prospective, having worked with a Mac for almost a year, and only made the switch semi-successfully. Further, I'm not a genius, a tech expert, or
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Hi Neil:
Ok, so I'm pretty confused. You just sighted all the reasons why one can do
so much more with the PC and JAWS. And you made some good and valid points.
Have you fallen in love accidentally with Mac?
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Claus,
again, my Toshiba R600 running Windows 7 and with an SSD, is ready to use,
from a cold start, in 17 seconds. thi
nd that is that you
>>> can using down and left / right respecively initiate interact mode on /
>>> off. this helps a lot.
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just a suggestion.
Isaac
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> Cara,
>
> indeed, I'm sitting here quote in hand for new Mac Book Pro, very closely
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Cara,
indeed, I'm sitting here quote in hand for new Mac Book Pro, very closely
monitoring the add to basket button...
just need to justify the get
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[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Cara Quinn
Sent: 12 October 2010 00:54
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Well Neil you'd better become a Mac / VO convert right quick! -or else!
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Hay Mike, what is the name of your podcast? Heather
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That should be illegal woe!
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Maybe someone should start a regular podcast on these issues. I know some
folks have done this in the past but not a regular show! It would be cool
if it was a live show that folks can call in to ask or text and ask
questions! I would pay for that podcast if it was good and addressed
differe
gt; at all, in fact I doubt in most of the ways that count, that it is...
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> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Ford
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> Hi Neal,
> That was not what I was attempting to point
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> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David Taylor
> Sent: 11 October 2010 13:09
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> Subject: Re: Can keyboard only navigation ever be...
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> Further to this, in OS X you use the tab key to get to
n some way
>> represents the screen?
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This is one area where I like the way voice over handles things. You never have
to worry about accidentally typing characters in to a form field, because
pressing just the letters always types them, and there are different commands
for navigating elements. And no forms mode to deal with, move to
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> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Ford
> Sent: 10 October 2010 21:35
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> Hi John,
> I was just ment
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[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ricardo Walker
Sent: 11 October 2010 12:59
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Subject: Re: Can keyboard only nav
Thanks for clearing that up. As I said in my other post, I found that
I can actually go to the topics individually in the digest mode and
that makes things much easier. It also enables me to use the e-mail
with the name that I wish to make legal, that being Eleni. I've never
heard of a user payi
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> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Laura M
> Sent: 11 October 2010 14:24
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Hi Neil and list,
someone wished for a brief tutorial from a user's perspective on how best to
use Snow Leopard and Voiceover. Well, I have been struggling to do that since
getting my mac back in November of 2008 . I called it something like
novice log. Unfortunately it is anything but brief.
Hi Tiffany and list! :)
Tiffany, thanks for asking about replying to digest posts.
On replying to posts; you're really welcome to respond to a post any way you'd
like as long as it keeps it's context. I.E. if you can include enough of the
original message you're responding to so that
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> Hi Neil,
>
> Correct. If your in an a
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Sent: 11 October 2010 14:12
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Subject: RE: Can keyboard only navigation ever be...
Hi Neil,
I am not sure where I got John from. I do have to say this for
the Mac. I use a Mac book pro for my day to day
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This morning, I discovered that, in the digest mode, I could just go
to a particular thread, have it displayed on the page and reply
individually to posts. That makes things much easier.
At any rate, I think that
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n keyboard only navigation ever be...
Ricardo, exactly. iTunes is one of the programs I was thinking about
last night, because the efficiency gains are so pronounced. I also
really like it on webpages like the New York Times, where articles
often have a whole lot of extra links and pictures placed
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Further to this, in OS X you use the tab key to get to important
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[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ricardo Walker
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Hi Ne
October 10, 2010 8:38 PM
Subject: RE: Can keyboard only navigation ever be...
> Teresa,
>
> as I've pointed out, gone are the days of the blue screen of death on a
> PC.
> I never have application crashes which bring down the whole machine,
> haven't
> done so for ma
just not
possible for me.
Sincerely,
Scott
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Sott I
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Hi Neil,
I am not sure where I got John from. I do have to say this
for the Mac. I use a Mac book pro for my day to day work. T
Yep i have to say i have found this very interesting. It's also interesting to
get diffrent peoples take on both opperating systems as i feel they are both
useful in there own ways.
In the next few weeks going to look in to some more apps for the mac such as
dragon dictate as i like to dictate
Also don't forget you can interact by using the Track Pad, by flicking two
fingers to the right.
Kawal Gucukoglu
On 11 Oct 2010, at 02:23 PM, Laura M wrote:
> Ricardo, exactly. iTunes is one of the programs I was thinking about
> last night, because the efficiency gains are so pronounced. I al
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Hi Neil,
Correct. If your in an application or web page and someone gives you the
physical placement of an item, you can find it on the track pa
Ricardo, exactly. iTunes is one of the programs I was thinking about
last night, because the efficiency gains are so pronounced. I also
really like it on webpages like the New York Times, where articles
often have a whole lot of extra links and pictures placed in between
the text. Even with JAWS, t
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Sent: 11 October 2010 12:52
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Hi,
For some the forms mode have been a big issue, but count the times you press
the retur
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Scott,
that's pretty much my beef, the issue for me comes down to productivity,
that alone, not price, not o
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Hi,
For some the forms mode have been a big issue, but count the times you press
the return key if you do not have auto forms mode enabled.
The probem with VO in it's current state is that it is much too hard to do
what you often do on a webpage read the text and have a fast way to avoid
unn
On Behalf Of Teresa Cochran
Sent: 10 October 2010 18:37
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Can keyboard only navigation ever be...
Hi, Neil,
I'm commenting before I read the other replies, so that I can give you my
own response to what you've written.
First, you can use QuickNav
I actually have a doubletalk lt (external) and I might even have access to
another. The one I have is in great shape. Send me a note to
scottn3...@gmail.com with an offer. I have the unit and adapter, but I did not
receive any manuals etc.
On Oct 10, 2010, at 11:26 PM, Tiffany D wrote:
> Well,
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[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Otten
Sent: 11 October 2010 10:54
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Subject: Re: Can keyboard only navigation ever be...
Hi Neil,
When you use things like h to move among headers, you're using ja
Hi Neil,
When you use things like h to move among headers, you're using jaws key
commands. All those handy one key commands you use with internet explorer are
jaws, not Windows commands. And the trade off for those is the necessity of
forms mode in Jaws, browse mode in Window Eyes, etc. So enter
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[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Krister Ekstrom
Sent: 11 October 2010 10:48
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But can you for instance edit in a
But can you for instance edit in a document using quicknav? The reason why i
don't use it is because i find i can't edit with the quicknav turned on or am i
wrong completely?
/Krister
10 okt 2010 kl. 22.14 skrev Scott Howell:
> Ian,
>
> If you learn quicknav, I think this will help address you
Hi there.
Is there a list somewhere of the built-in shortcut keys of osx? I guess there's
a shortcut list somewhere, i just don't know where to search.
/Krister
10 okt 2010 kl. 19.55 skrev Anne Robertson:
> Hello Neil,
>
> I've never used a PC so can't make comparisons. However, I currently have
Hi,
For nearly 3 weeks now i've been forced to use my beloved mac with only one
hand, and that includs but is not limited to typing. I've solved this problem
by using the numpad commander to perform vo operations. If you have or are
going to get a desktop mac, then this is the solution i would s
rator
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>
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>
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> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
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[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Laura M
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To: MacVisionaries
Subject: Re: Can keyboard only navigation ever be...
Neil, I get where you're coming from--the first couple weeks I spent
with the Mac, I had ex
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Sent: 11 October 2010 01:02
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Sott I just can't agree with you about the level of productivity. Whenever
someone says th
ehalf Of Mary Otten
Sent: 10 October 2010 22:38
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Subject: Re: Can keyboard only navigation ever be...
Neal, you have a good point about the duplicate voiceover commands. I
haven't used JAWS in a while, so things may have changed, but there was a
time whe
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[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ricardo Walker
Sent: 10 October 2010 22:13
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Subject: Re: Can keyboard only navigation ever be...
Hi Neil,
Can you give an example of this 1 fing
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Sent: 10 October 2010 19:30
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Hi Neil and others:
I have an interesting prospective
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> Neil Barnfather
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> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisio
Well, I signed into this account and forgot to sign back into my
normal e-mail address so saw this message and figured I would respond.
Btw, if I see something in digest mode and want to respond to it, am
I allowed to make a separate e-mail or can I snip parts of the e-mail
when responding so as n
Hi, if you have a desktop computer, you can use the numpad commander, and this
allows you to use the numpad for most commands. Also, you can turn on the quick
nav feature and this will allow you to use the regular arrow keys for
navigation. I actually enjoy navigating with the track pad, true, I
Neil, I get where you're coming from--the first couple weeks I spent
with the Mac, I had exactly the feelings you describe. I had no
problem learning the OS, but I couldn't possibly figure any way that
it would be more efficient than JAWS. I have done a complete 180 in
the year or so I've had since
on / off.
>> this helps a lot.
>>
>> Twitter @neilbarnfather
>>
>> Neil Barnfather
>> Talks List Administrator
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>> TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, for all your
>> accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries v
Neal, you have a good point about the duplicate voiceover commands. I haven't
used JAWS in a while, so things may have changed, but there was a time when
JAWS did the same, taught special JAWS commands where Windows keyboard commands
already existed. Your reference to sighted people using keybo
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> Sent: 10 October 2010 19:30
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> Subject: Re: Can keyboard only navigation ever be...
>
> Hi Neil and others:
> I have an interesting prospective, having w
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> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com]on Behalf Of Carolyn
> Sent: 10 Octob
Hi, Neil,
Well, you could have a reference for Mac keystrokes. The Missing Manual series
from OReilly Publishers covers this extensively. Just as you have insert-f11 to
bring up the task tray list in JAWS or SA, so you also you have Windows-B to do
the same thing. I'm a firm believer that ther
Ian,
Try just pressing space next time! It most often does work, and is the way to
access many controls! You'll find that simple things just do usually work. I
agree with your suggestion for modifying the Option key to open the menu bar
though.
Cheers
Dave
On 10 Oct 2010, at 20:12, Ian McNama
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[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Anne Robertson
Sent: 10 October 2010 18:56
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Subject: Re: Can keyboard only navigation ever be...
Hello Neil,
I've never used a PC so can't make comparisons. However, I currently have a
studen
nks for reading.
Carolyn
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Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2010 11:02 AM
Subject: Can keyboard only navigation ever be...
Dear All,
Many of you will have seen me around before on the various lists so no need
for
Ian,
If you learn quicknav, I think this will help address your desire to use one
hand instead of two. CHeck it out, I believe you will find this satisfactory.
On Oct 10, 2010, at 3:12 PM, Ian McNamara wrote:
> Hello all i have only been a mac user for just over a month and i have to say
> i ca
Neil,
As somebody who has literally just switched, I would say two things.
Firstly, your analysis of the way people use computers doesn't take account of
the fact that any person using the keyboard can only do what the keyboard
allows. Voice Over does not reorganise content on the screen like W
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> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Carolyn
> Sent: 10 October 2010 19:30
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Can keyboard only navigation
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Hi Neil and others:
I have an interesting prospective, having worked with a Mac for almost a
year, and only made the switch semi-success
very useful info think i will keep this as a reffrance.
Ian McNamara
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Hello all i have only been a mac user for just over a month and i have to say i
can see neels point. I have to say it would be good if they could create a way
where like jaws the option key could become like a windows key and take you in
to all the menues that way and give the controle key some
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Hello Neil,
I've never used a PC so can't make comparisons. However, I curren
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Hi Neil and others:
I have an interesting prospective, having worked with a Mac for almost a
year, and only made the switch semi-successfully. Further
Yes, there is also voice operation as well! If you cant do the keyboard
commands, I think you can operate your computer through voice! I am not
sure how much, perhaps an experience mac user might chime in here. Heather
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Hello
10 October 2010 18:37
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Hi, Neil,
I'm commenting before I read the other replies, so that I can give you my
own response to what you've written.
First, you can use QuickNav in Voiceover, which will
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I do most of my key board stuff using one hand. I use NumPad commander.
The one thing you forgot is I can buy a Mac for less than the price of jaws.
louie
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Dear All,
Many of you will have seen me around before on the various lists so no need
for introductions, I've been a PC use
Neil,
thats is a mouthful.
I too am more than a little frustrated with how apple setup voiceover's keys. I
had to learn this blind with no support and with a mouse I don't use. its slow
going for right now.
as a refrain: I have not used window eyes or jaws. I used to use windows on a
separate
Hello Neil,
I've never used a PC so can't make comparisons. However, I currently have a
student who likes to use just one hand to operate his Mac and he does this by
using Quick Nav and Keyboard commander.
Everyone has different needs, so you should put in the Keyboard Commander
shortcuts that
Quicknav allows you to use one hand. I almost never turn quicknav off, unless
I'm working in a program where I need my arrow keys to function as arrow keys,
such as Amadeus Pro. Quicknav is kind of like locking the VO keys, but it only
applies to the arrow keys, enabling you to still enter tex
Hello Neil and list,
I do tend to agree with you re multiple key input.
I haven't tried this myself, but you might try sticky keys, where you can press
keys sequentially instead of simultaneously. Of course, you still have a string
of keys and perhaps vast distances to traverse.
John S
On O
Hi, Neil,
I'm commenting before I read the other replies, so that I can give you my own
response to what you've written.
First, you can use QuickNav in Voiceover, which will give you most
screen-reader commands with two fingers on one hand.
Secondly, in my experience, when one application free
I do most of my key board stuff using one hand. I use NumPad commander.
The one thing you forgot is I can buy a Mac for less than the price of jaws.
louie
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Hi,
Try quick nav, by pressing the left and right arrows simultaneously. Then, many
navigation tasks can be handled from the arrows alone. Specifically:
Down+right: Interact
Down+left: stop interacting
Up+right and up+left: change the rotor setting (which is what you navigate with
up/down arrows
Dear All,
Many of you will have seen me around before on the various lists so no need
for introductions, I've been a PC user now for in excess of 20 years, and
have attempted to make the switch to Mac now 3 times without success.
The first point I want to make is that this is not for lack of desi
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