I actually have a doubletalk lt (external) and I might even have access to another. The one I have is in great shape. Send me a note to scottn3...@gmail.com with an offer. I have the unit and adapter, but I did not receive any manuals etc.
On Oct 10, 2010, at 11:26 PM, Tiffany D wrote: > Well, I signed into this account and forgot to sign back into my > normal e-mail address so saw this message and figured I would respond. > Btw, if I see something in digest mode and want to respond to it, am > I allowed to make a separate e-mail or can I snip parts of the e-mail > when responding so as not to create clutter? I don't mean > technically. I mean according to the rules of this list. > > My biggest problem with the Mac is the whole concept of interaction. > It's bad enough that Windows has graphical menus instead of clean ones > or a command line,, but Mac has those plus this interacting. Even > copying and pasting from a webpage to Text Edit is a chore! Buddy, > your information on quick nav certainly helped me. I sometimes find > it annoying when I accidentally hit the arrow keys and it turns on and > I never really knew what it was for until now. Teresa, you're > absolutely right on force quitting only the misbehaving programs. > That's one thing that Windows, and even DOS, does that truly annoys > me. > > To all those still using JFW etc.: Have you tried NVDA? It's free and > is truly a wonderful screenreader, mostly on par with the others. > Also, has anyone considered simply putting Windows on the Mac with > Bootcamp or a virtual machine? I know the hard core Macusers will > give me dirty looks but it is possible. Just don't ask me how, as > I've never done it. > > To Neil: I didn't even know that duplicate commands existed. I > thought that the VoiceOver ones were the only ones available and that > when the screenreader is turned off, the commands don't work. To me, > the concept is incredibly stupid. To Ian: I agree with you on the > annoyance of having to use three keys just to navigate a webpage. Now > that I have my IBM ThinkPad X32, I rarely use the Mac, except for > making Youtube videos and whenever I just want to play with it for a > change of pace. But I remember what it was like using it full time. > As much as I'm not a Windows fan, I was so happy when that laptop > came! > > To Dave: I never used the numpad. Must try it on my desktop. > Perhaps, it will make me even faster at doing things. I would say > that DOS beats all of these point and click systems, but then I > remembered that VocalEyes and other screenreaders also have review > modes. I never thought of it that way with an os that's designed to > be used with the keyboard, but you're right. Our access is different. > > To Teresa: I didn't know that there are Windows commands that have > their counterparts in screenreader ones. How do I get ahold of that > manual? I completely agree with you about not doing something if it > doesn't feel right. It seems like everyone is trying to get me to use > some form of Linux because I like the command line. But I have > absolutely no desire to learn it or Unix for that matter. I'd much > rather learn Enhanced Dr-DOS or FreeDOS. > > To Scott: Not everyone likes touch screens. I keep hearing about all > the benefits of the I products but refuse to get them because they > don't have real keyboards. I wish that they would do something about > this and not by forcing people to buy external ones and still use > gestures either. > > Talk soon, > Eleni > PS. Still looking for a good hardware synth. If anyone has a KeyNote > Gold especially, a DecTalk Express or PC, a Double Talk LT or PC or a > Greek-speaking Apollo, please let me know. Also still haven't gotten > the Apple IIGS out to play with Proterm but will update you guys on my > progress when I do. > > On 10/10/2010, Mike Arrigo <n0...@charter.net> wrote: >> Hi, if you have a desktop computer, you can use the numpad commander, and >> this allows you to use the numpad for most commands. Also, you can turn on >> the quick nav feature and this will allow you to use the regular arrow keys >> for navigation. I actually enjoy navigating with the track pad, true, I do >> have to remove my hand from the keyboard to do that, but that's no big deal >> for me. >> On Oct 10, 2010, at 12:02 PM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav wrote: >> >>> Dear All, >>> >>> Many of you will have seen me around before on the various lists so no >>> need >>> for introductions, I've been a PC user now for in excess of 20 years, and >>> have attempted to make the switch to Mac now 3 times without success. >>> >>> The first point I want to make is that this is not for lack of desire upon >>> my behalf, rather it is my hope that I am simply missing an essential >>> piece >>> of the puzzle. this missing part though appears, to me at least, to be the >>> key, the magic link between making a successful jump or not. >>> >>> I've heard all the usual shpeal about, it's not like a PC, so you cannot >>> think of it like that, put everything you've ever learned about screen >>> readers aside and think differently or a fresh, it's just the learning >>> curve, stick with it and you'll get there... >>> >>> All of which I've tried and failed at... and when I asked an Apple Genius >>> to >>> watch over me in a store to analyse where I was going wrong, his response, >>> I >>> don't understand, you've mastered OSx, it has to be Voice Over... >>> >>> So here it is, wide open for you, the cream of the switching community to >>> hopefully answer once and for all. >>> >>> In an e-mail to Apple's illusive Accessibility team, I once commented that >>> if you took 2 PC users, one sighted and one not, removed the mouse from >>> the >>> sighted user, that the 2 PC users would both use their computers in the >>> same >>> way. i.e. that the key strokes / commands are all the same. >>> >>> However, get 2 Mac users, one sighted one not, remove the mouse from the >>> sighted user, the 2 users both use the keyboard differently. >>> >>> This thus forcing the Mac Voice Over user to learn the screen reader >>> either >>> before, or alongside, the actual computer and the OS itself. >>> >>> This of course not being so, from my perspective anyhow, on the PC, where >>> both users, keyboard exclusive or not, both use the machine in the same >>> way. >>> >>> My biggest hurdle to date is the keyboard commands and their >>> implementation >>> on the Mac, it's not that they are different, as I can live with that, >>> it's >>> the same as buying a new HiFi system, the buttons are in different places >>> and of a different design. >>> >>> What I cannot seem to get over is that with a PC, 95% of what I do is one >>> handed and in 95% of those instances can be achieved with one finger. >>> leaving my left hand free to handle papers, telephones etc, etc. >>> >>> comparatively, with Voice Over and the Mac, I am finding that I have to >>> use >>> both hands for the most basic level of navigation, and also that many >>> commands are as a minimal 3 keys to implement. >>> >>> Many have suggested work around such as the Magic Track Pad, indeed, this >>> would in effect make the Mac behave similarly to the iPhone, iPod Touch, >>> and >>> iPad, all 3 of which I own. >>> >>> However, one cannot get over the fact that this detracts from >>> productivity, >>> or on the surface of it seems to, this being brought about by the user >>> moving their hand(s) from the keyboard to the track pad and back again. >>> >>> *Note* I understand that Mac Book's have the track pad built in, but it's >>> still relocating your hands from one input device to another and back >>> again. >>> >>> So here's the question which really appears to be the initial clincher for >>> me, is it possible to use a Mac with essentially one hand and even more >>> importantly one finger for most commands and navigation. >>> >>> I would say, to be fair, that' it's the navigation with one hand or one >>> finger that is the most important thing. all of JAWS commands require two >>> fingers or more, but it's the navigation that I just cannot get myself >>> passed. On my PC using JAWS virtually everything I'm doing is one >>> fingered. >>> >>> So, is this possible on the Mac...? the caveat to this should be, that I >>> do >>> not see the point of spending countless hours re-allocating or arranging >>> existing commands / navigation commands. It seems to me that Voice Over's >>> biggest hurdle is the Voice Over command keys, Control + Options key, >>> please >>> forgive me if I missed up Control and Command. >>> >>> Please no-one, this is not a that's JAWS this is Voice Over question, this >>> is a... Can I use Voice Over and the Mac with one hand or better still one >>> finger for navigation of the Mac itself? >>> >>> Setting the record straight at the get go, this is not an Apple slating, I >>> wish to make the switch, but it has to be because it's as easy or easier, >>> the fact that Voice Over is more stable is a factor, but not a huge one. >>> >>> I do not buy all the security hype, nor the OS enhancements or stability >>> front. Yes Voice Over is more stable than JAWS / Window Eyes, but >>> principally because it is part of the operating platform, and not because >>> its superior or that Mac OSx is. >>> >>> This statement about operating platforms may have held some degree of >>> water >>> back in the days gone by, but with Windows 7, and a decent PC >>> specification, >>> one can get as much performance and stability out of a PC as a Mac. >>> moreover, in terms of security, I've never known anyone I know who has a >>> brain using a PC to get a virus, the problem is that the PC world is where >>> the masses are, and many of those masses are nits, and they do stupid >>> things... when the PC pops up asking if they wish to install and download >>> a >>> virus to delete all their data, they um, then ah, and then click OK. well >>> that's stupidity and not Windows being vulnerable. >>> >>> *Note* I do accept that if you introduce JAWS or Window Eyes to a PC that >>> this can affect OS performance and stability. Indeed, my technical support >>> staff have many a time commented, how to watch an amazing machine, filled >>> with the latest technology, working like a dream turn to treacle, install >>> JAWS. >>> >>> this is true, and is a significant factor to me wishing to jump ship, of >>> course if FS did what Microsoft did with Windows 7, i.e. dropped the whole >>> program and started a fresh, I believe that JAWS could seriously give >>> Voice >>> Over a run for its money on the stability front. as it happens this move >>> is >>> highly unlikely. >>> >>> So there it is folks, what do you Apple wizards think? >>> >>> best regards. >>> >>> Twitter @neilbarnfather >>> >>> Neil Barnfather >>> Talks List Administrator >>> >>> TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, for all your >>> accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com >>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. 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