Also don't forget you can interact by using the Track Pad, by flicking two fingers to the right.
Kawal Gucukoglu On 11 Oct 2010, at 02:23 PM, Laura M <laura.mcgl...@gmail.com> wrote: > Ricardo, exactly. iTunes is one of the programs I was thinking about > last night, because the efficiency gains are so pronounced. I also > really like it on webpages like the New York Times, where articles > often have a whole lot of extra links and pictures placed in between > the text. Even with JAWS, there was no keystroke that would > automatically jump through all of that, but it's only a drag of my > finger on the trackpad to bypass it now. > > Neil, I think you use an iPhone, and the gestures to operate the > trackpad are almost exactly the same. You can flick between items, or > just touch what you want if you know where it is, and if it's an > actionable item you're touching, you just double tap. The rotor also > works in the same way as it does on the iPhone, so you could navigate > a website using one finger with the trackpad, just as easily as you > could with the arrow keys. > > I know you've just been asking about navigation, and I'm definitely > not advocating that you switch if you still feel like VO doesn't cut > it for you in that regard, but one of the other things I really like > about being on a Mac right now is that because of the iPhone, there's > a lot of Voiceover development going on and getting tested even before > Mac updates. I really like the way both technologies are merging; > there's stuff on the iPhone I recognise from the Mac, and I don't > doubt that when 10.7 arrives, some of the new stuff I've seen on the > iPhone will have migrated there, just as it did in 10.6. I don't have > any axe to grind against JAWS--it gave me access I wouldn't have had > for many, many years, but at the moment, VO is the platform that seems > to be doing the innovative stuff. There are, of course, disadvantages > in picking the newer technology (as I mentioned last night, there's > some customisation options I'd really like Voiceover to implement) but > the more I use Voiceover, in all its forms, the more I feel that it's > getting far closer to really putting us on a level playing field. > > Ricardo Walker wrote: >> Hi Neil, >> >> Correct. If your in an application or web page and someone gives you the >> physical placement of an item, you can find it on the track pad which gives >> you the layout similar to what a sighted person sees on the screen. Just >> like on the iPhone. This leads me into my comment. I don't think moving >> your hand from a keyboard to a trackpad to a number pad necessarily makes >> you slower. For example, If I'm in iTunes and I want to reach an item >> using JFW I might have to tab 4, 5, maybe 6 times. If I know the layout of >> iTunes on a Mac, I can just touch that location on my track pad. If your in >> an environment where you have to work side by side with sighted people this >> can really clear some communication hurdles. I thought just like you when I >> first made the switch. "Why do I have to press 4 keys to accomplish the >> same task the only took 1 finger with Jaws?" And it annoyed me. But then I >> realized that the number of keys 1 must press doesn't have a direct >> relationship to speed and or productivity. I also didn't like the concept >> of interacting with elements. This is before I completely understood it's >> advantages. Again, I use iTunes as an example. If you have your IOS device >> hooked up to your windows PC you go to the sources list and arrow down to >> your device. Same with the Mac. Then, on Windows, you tab and tab and tab. >> Then when you've reached the button you want like music, you select then >> tab a whole lot more. On the Mac, I could use the iTem chooser to find >> music and it takes me right to it. Lets say for some reason I did want to >> press VO right arrow instead of using the item chooser. Once I've reached >> music and selected it, I can keep going until I reached the scroll areas >> that contain the information for the button I've selected. If I don't want >> to view them I don't have to. You don't have this choice on windows. Your >> forced to pass every element which takes up time when you know what your >> looking for. >> On Oct 11, 2010, at 3:47 AM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav wrote: >> >>> Laura, >>> >>> good post, appreciated reading it... >>> >>> can I ask, you and others have mentioned simply targeting an area of the >>> screen, such as in your example where you say top right of a page etc. >>> >>> how is this achieved? using the touch pad presumably but how? are you >>> meaning you drag the mouse up there, or that the touch pad in some way >>> represents the screen? >>> >>> thanks. >>> >>> Twitter @neilbarnfather >>> >>> Neil Barnfather >>> Talks List Administrator >>> >>> TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, for all your >>> accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com >>> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. 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