Re: KRnet> For Sale: KR Wing Skins and Tail feathers

2022-10-15 Thread Flesner via KRnet
On 10/15/2022 3:39 PM, Mark Langford wrote: .  There is a slight performance deficit, probably a 10mph decrease in top speed, but as I've said before, if you already have your wings built, it's probably not worth the effort to throw them away and redo the wings for the new airfoil, +++

Re: KRnet> For Sale: KR Wing Skins and Tail feathers

2022-10-15 Thread Mark Langford
We're homebuilding by hand an airplane that is so easily tweaked it's laughable, and using crappy plans that leave a lot to the imagination, so of course you can use Diehl skins.  There is a slight performance deficit, probably a 10mph decrease in top speed, but as I've said before, if you alre

Re: KRnet> For Sale: KR Wing Skins and Tail feathers

2022-10-15 Thread Kayak via KRnet
agree. when I saw them I snapped them up without any hesitation. cost me around $1500 total... (new they were well over $300, now unavailable!) If I didnt get the issue which will keep me from flying, I would never part with them until they on a KR! but it's only been a couple days and I plan to

Re: KRnet> For Sale: KR Wing Skins and Tail feathers

2022-10-15 Thread MS
Hard to imagine your wings haven't yet sold.  Not only are they more precisely built than most homebuilt ones, they are extremely durable as well.  Mine are 35 years old and haven't a ripple or bubble on them.  Diehl's design (thinner, smoother and with the little upturned tips that help to dis

KRnet> For Sale: KR Wing Skins and Tail feathers

2022-10-15 Thread Kayak via KRnet
Hi All, everything except the wing skins is sold to KR community, plans are awaiting payment, but I have the KR2 Diehl Wing Skins (KR2 but can be used for a KR1). I also have a KR1 boat stage with original retracts. Selling the hangar and I really dont want the skins in my attic even though the

KR>wing gap cover photos

2021-10-19 Thread Flesner
I took some photos this evening of my wing gap covers.  Years ago (15+) I made covers with fiberglass but didn't like the way they turned out and I wanted to finish building and get on with flying.  I went to the hardware store and bought a roll of roof flashing 6 inches wide and cut it down

KR>Wing attachment bolt torque.

2021-05-26 Thread colin hales
I don't think there is no torque figure for the win attachment bolts. Just do them tight and no need for cotter keys or pins, as you can never get them to line up when you have a good tightness of the bolts and nuts. Just use nylocks, they won't come undone. I take my wings of regularly. You can

Re: KR> Wing tanks

2020-12-22 Thread n357cj via KRnet
N357CJ over 1000 hrs Dr Dean's plane 60% completed - Original Message - From: "KRnet" To: "KRnet" Subject: Re: KR> Wing tanks Hi Michael, I made the wing leadingedge fuel tanks. I works good. My shift in the weight and balance is not noticible thats gr

Re: KR> Wing tanks

2020-12-22 Thread Stef den Boer via KRnet
Hi Michael, I made the wing leadingedge fuel tanks. I works good. My shift in the weight and balance is not noticible thats great. It is a lot off work to make them, but it is (I think) beter than the fueltank behind the firewall. For the building of my fueltanks see. http://www.masttotaalconcep

Re: KR> Wing tanks

2020-12-20 Thread Flesner via KRnet
On 12/20/2020 10:39 AM, Mark Langford via KRnet wrote: .another reason I didn't put my tanks in the wings was because of the increased possibility of a heavy wing We each have our reasons for individual ta

Re: KR> Wing tanks

2020-12-20 Thread Mark Langford via KRnet
Since we haven't quite beaten this horse enough to kill it, I'll throw this outanother reason I didn't put my tanks in the wings was because of the increased possibility of a heavy wing, and having to correct for it while flying. Sure, you can move fuel around during the flight to keep thi

Re: KR> Wing tanks

2020-12-20 Thread Craig Williams via KRnet
Different ideas on tanks in the stub wing and outer wing. http://kr2seafury.com/11.html Craig N51CW N6423B > On 12/14/2020 6:34 PM Mike Stirewalt via KRnet wrote: > > > Larry said, > > > "Fuel in the outer wings also reduce the weight carried by the > W.A.F.'s." > > That is so true. T

Re: KR> Wing tanks

2020-12-20 Thread Flesner via KRnet
On 12/19/2020 10:11 PM, Michael via KRnet wrote: I am not a fan of fuel in the cockpit so not that you have broadened by my understanding; +++ To broaden your thinking a bit more there have been builders that used tubes in the

Re: KR> Wing tanks

2020-12-19 Thread Michael via KRnet
Good morning Thank you for the great advice! I am truly grateful for the advice and the effort many have put into their build logs and websites. I am a little bit of an analytical thinker so please excuse the plethora of questions I have at times. I am not a fan of fuel in the cockpit so no

Re: KR> Wing tanks

2020-12-19 Thread Flesner via KRnet
On 12/19/2020 8:12 PM, Mark Langford via KRnet wrote: Or you can just put the header tank inside one of the stub wing tanks like I did, + My system is a bit simpler than Mark's. https://www.dropbox.com/s/nzz6898hr97822h/fuel%20system

Re: KR> Wing tanks

2020-12-19 Thread Mark Langford via KRnet
Larry Flesner wrote: > Most stub wing tanks are used as aux tanks and fuel > is pumped to header tank in forward deck. If you plan to eliminate the > header tank and go with stub wing tanks only you must take in to account > the shift in CG locations. Or you can just put the header tank inside

Re: KR> Wing tanks

2020-12-19 Thread Flesner via KRnet
On 12/19/2020 2:46 PM, Mark Langford via KRnet wrote: There's nothing inherently wrong with stub wing tanks.  They have the advantage of being well protected between the spars, and more importantly, outside of the cockpit.  They are very close to the aerodynamic center of the wing, which is e

Re: KR> Wing tanks

2020-12-19 Thread Mark Langford via KRnet
Michael Griffin wrote: >After reading all the comments about stub wing fuel tanks and their > affect on the CG; I decided against them however I have re-read Mark > Langford's page (http://www.n56ml.com/wingtank.html) and he details stub > wing tanks so now I am really confused. There's noth

Re: KR> Wing tanks

2020-12-19 Thread Michael via KRnet
Greetings After reading all the comments about stub wing fuel tanks and their affect on the CG; I decided against them however I have re-read Mark Langford's page (http://www.n56ml.com/wingtank.html) and he details stub wing tanks so now I am really confused. Regards שָׁלוֹם עֲלֵיכֶם (Shalom al

Re: KR> Wing tanks

2020-12-15 Thread Phillip Matheson via KRnet
Have a look at the Bushby Mustang 2 folding wing set up. Search http://www.mustangaero.com The Mustang 2 has leading edge wing tanks and folding wing for transport Phil. Sent from my iPhone > On 15 Dec 2020, at 17:08, Michael via KRnet wrote: > > Greetings > > This discussion throws my

Re: KR> Wing tanks

2020-12-15 Thread Flesner via KRnet
On 12/15/2020 12:08 AM, Michael via KRnet wrote: This discussion throws my idea of stub tanks right out the window and with good reason as I am a complete novice (onlly just started finishing this project) and did not adequately consider CG. ++

Re: KR> Wing tanks

2020-12-15 Thread Flesner via KRnet
On 12/15/2020 12:08 AM, Michael via KRnet wrote: Next question if I may; wing leading edge tank (infront of main spar), Wing chord tanks (behind main spar) or wing tip tanks? Considering that I am wanting to make the main wing foldable (fold up then sideways aft) for trailer storage & transpo

Re: KR> Wing tanks

2020-12-14 Thread Michael via KRnet
Greetings This discussion throws my idea of stub tanks right out the window and with good reason as I am a complete novice (onlly just started finishing this project) and did not adequately consider CG. Rather learn on the ground than in the air! As a skydiver I have a good understanding of ho

Re: KR> Wing tanks

2020-12-14 Thread Flesner via KRnet
On 12/14/2020 7:44 PM, Mark Wegmet via KRnet wrote: The CG issue would (I would think) depend on placement of the tanks - wing or tip - relative to the "normal" CG calculations for the airframe. + That is correct as with anyth

Re: KR> Wing tanks

2020-12-14 Thread Flesner via KRnet
On 12/14/2020 7:44 PM, Mark Wegmet via KRnet wrote: I need to understand how you get reduced load on the wafs with fuel in the outer wing. + The outer wing panel is always producing lift during flight, I would hope, so lets just set the pl

Re: KR> Wing tanks

2020-12-14 Thread John Umbach via KRnet
; -Original Message- > From: KRnet [mailto:krnet-boun...@list.krnet.org] On Behalf Of Mike > Stirewalt via KRnet > Sent: Monday, December 14, 2020 5:34 PM > To: krnet@list.krnet.org > Cc: laser...@juno.com > Subject: KR> Wing tanks > > Larry said, > >>

Re: KR> Wing tanks

2020-12-14 Thread Mark Wegmet via KRnet
k W N952MW (res) still workin on it. -Original Message- From: KRnet [mailto:krnet-boun...@list.krnet.org] On Behalf Of Mike Stirewalt via KRnet Sent: Monday, December 14, 2020 5:34 PM To: krnet@list.krnet.org Cc: laser...@juno.com Subject: KR> Wing tanks Larry said, > "Fuel in the outer win

KR> Wing tanks

2020-12-14 Thread Mike Stirewalt via KRnet
Larry said, > "Fuel in the outer wings also reduce the weight carried by the W.A.F.'s." That is so true. Tip tanks, or outer wing tanks, carry with them great advantages. Not only do they carry weight without affecting CG to any significant extent, but unloads stress at the wing root, making f

Re: KR> Wing Gap Covers

2020-08-08 Thread Mark Jones via KRnet
Easy Peasy. Mark Jones Oldsmar, Fl N771MJ “WunderBird” www.flykr2s.com flyk...@gmail.com > On Aug 8, 2020, at 5:56 PM, Flesner via KRnet wrote: > > On 8/8/2020 4:30 PM, Daniel Heath via KRnet wrote: >> This is my "green glass" method of making wing gap covers. > > +++

Re: KR> Wing Gap Covers

2020-08-08 Thread Flesner via KRnet
On 8/8/2020 4:30 PM, Daniel Heath via KRnet wrote: This is my "green glass" method of making wing gap covers. +++ If you foam and glass the gap, then cut with a fine saw blade, you could easily cover the 1/16" or less gap with white electric

KR> Wing Gap Covers

2020-08-08 Thread Daniel Heath via KRnet
I made a post on the PantherBuilder site, using what used to be on KRBuilder.org, which no longer exists. This post will show how I made the wing gap covers for the Black Bird. This is my "green glass" method of making wing gap covers. You should make these where you can monitor the progress o

Re: KR> Wing gap covers

2020-08-07 Thread Flesner via KRnet
On 8/7/2020 12:52 PM, Mike Stirewalt via KRnet wrote: Ken Cottle came up with a solution which has survived well for thirty years plus. I don't know just where he got them, but he installed brackets underneath both wings which can be tightened or loosened and have a slot which holds one end of a

KR> Wing gap covers

2020-08-07 Thread Mike Stirewalt via KRnet
Bob Goodnight asked, > "What is used to cover the gap in the wings when bolted on?" Ken Cottle came up with a solution which has survived well for thirty years plus. I don't know just where he got them, but he installed brackets underneath both wings which can be tightened or loosened and have

Re: KR> Wing Airfoils

2019-02-26 Thread Guy Maniscalco via KRnet
: KR> Wing Airfoils Guy, I have a completer set of wing, elevator, and rudder ribs made from Baltic Birch plywood. The spar cutouts have not been done yet so they can be customized to your spar. These were cut from the patterns on the KR net from Mark L. email me if interested. On 2/24/2019 3

Re: KR> Wing Airfoils

2019-02-25 Thread patrick via KRnet
Guy,  I have a completer set of wing, elevator, and rudder ribs made from Baltic Birch plywood. The spar cutouts have not been done yet so they can be customized to your spar. These were cut from the patterns on the KR net from Mark L. email me if interested. On 2/24/2019 3:25 PM, Guy Manisca

Re: KR> Wing Airfoils

2019-02-25 Thread Guy Maniscalco via KRnet
Thank you! From: KRnet on behalf of Christopher Pryce via KRnet Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2019 1:33 PM To: KRnet Cc: Christopher Pryce Subject: Re: KR> Wing Airfoils http://www.krnet.org/as504x/ The files are near the bottom of the page. You just need

Re: KR> Wing Airfoils

2019-02-24 Thread Mark Boese via KRnet
The nearest printer for me is over 2 hours away. I imported the coordinates into a program called Compu-foil 3D and printed them myself. The neatest thing is it's a very inexpensive program and very intuitive. I printed templates for the horizontal and vertical stabilisers as well. http://www.comp

Re: KR> Wing Airfoils

2019-02-24 Thread Christopher Pryce via KRnet
http://www.krnet.org/as504x/ The files are near the bottom of the page. You just need to find a place that can print them. Chris Pryce ___ Search the KRnet Archives at https://www.mail-archive.com/krnet@list.krnet.org/. Please see LIST RULES and KRnet i

KR> Wing Airfoils

2019-02-24 Thread Guy Maniscalco via KRnet
As a new builder of a KR2S, are there full sized plans available of the AS5045/AS5048 airfoils. I've been driving myself nuts trying to find them. Thank you, Guy Maniscalco ___ Search the KRnet Archives at https://www.mail-archive.com/krnet@list.krnet.

KR> wing progress

2019-02-10 Thread n357cj via KRnet
Hey guys, Just a little progress. Bottom of Left wing is filled, sanded and ready to prime. We re installed the wing to the plane this morning. laid out the aileron and cut it loose. Trimmed it up and about ready for the 1/4" spars to fit. Anyone building the AS50 series, - I didn't think to che

Re: KR> Wing Leveler

2018-09-23 Thread AndyL via KRnet
Having been one to throw crazy ideal in rc planes before they were possible to buy... I do know a thing or two about it. EM radiation - simple - mags kick off this neat effect that can screw up nearby electronics. So do radios etc. So using something homebuilt in electronics - can introduce this l

KR> Wing Leveler

2018-09-23 Thread Mike Stirewalt via KRnet
I've no idea what EM radiation or PPM signals or "turning over control to . . ." has to do with it. It's a simple device designed to keep the nose from wandering and has nothing to do with trim tabs on elevators or, for that matter, on the wing. A simple direct wired 12 volt gyro & servo with a s

Re: KR> Wing leveler

2018-09-23 Thread Jeff York via KRnet
Dan, Very nice story. Like a chapter in a book. Jeff York On Sun, Sep 23, 2018, 6:30 AM Daniel Heath via KRnet wrote: > Using my newly acquired wing leveler to visit an old friend, Bob Lee. A > poignant memory from a long time ago. > > > > http://krbuilder.org/Adventures/index.html > > > > >

KR> Wing leveler

2018-09-23 Thread Daniel Heath via KRnet
Using my newly acquired wing leveler to visit an old friend, Bob Lee. A poignant memory from a long time ago. http://krbuilder.org/Adventures/index.html See N64KR at http://KRBuilder.org - Then click on the pics KRGathering 2019/ KMVN/ Sept 26-28 People

KR> Wing Leveler

2018-09-22 Thread Oscar Zuniga via KRnet
IIRC, elevator trim tab flutter was what led to the crash of Jimmy Leeward's P-51 "Galloping Ghost" at the 2011 Reno air races. Leeward was killed along with 10 people on the ground, and another 69 people were injured. I have no idea how the P-51's trim tab was actuated. Oscar Zuniga Medfor

Re: KR> Wing Leveler

2018-09-22 Thread AndyL via KRnet
Giving an unproven device with unknown ability to reject EM radiation etc direct access to a control surface seems like a terrible idea. Add a stick trim control - let it control that, so you're always 100% guaranteed you can override it. As it's acting against the centering of your stick not the

Re: KR> Wing Leveler

2018-09-22 Thread Craig Williams via KRnet
The feedback so far is great and has me thinking that a geared motor running a fine threaded rod to a captive nut on the tab should eliminate the need for a servo lock. The PWM signal from the gyro is easily converted to a motor drive signal. Next question is what RPM the motor should be. Seems

KR> Wing Leveler

2018-09-22 Thread Mike Stirewalt via KRnet
Craig said, "The question is will a small tab on one aileron be enough to control?" Since we can steer our planes by leaning our heads from side to side, I would guess your idea would work fine. Instead of cutting into your aileron to install a tab, could you connect the gyro you mention to a s

Re: KR> Wing Leveler

2018-09-22 Thread Jeff Scott via KRnet
em BECAUSE is locks up when stopped.   -Jeff Scott     Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2018 at 7:14 AM From: "Rob Schmitt via KRnet" To: "Craig Williams" , KRnet Cc: "Rob Schmitt" Subject: Re: KR> Wing Leveler Craig, I tried to use a RC servo for my KR elevator tr

Re: KR> Wing Leveler

2018-09-22 Thread Rob Schmitt via KRnet
Craig, I tried to use a RC servo for my KR elevator trim. The DAR would not accept it. His issue was that if the servo lost power it didn’t have a lock up mode unpowered. The possible result was flutter in the trim tab. I had to remove it. Worth checking before you go that route. Thanks, Rob

KR> Wing Leveler

2018-09-21 Thread Craig Williams via KRnet
I've been racking my brain since the autopilot discussion and I finally came across something that may work but I need to install it and try first. It's actually a single axis gyro for stabilizing RC helicopters in yaw. Once engaged it will output an immediate counter steer command to any move

Re: KR> wing tip movement

2018-06-03 Thread Mark Langford via KRnet
Bob Russell wrote: >> When I trial fit the wings on the project I posted pics of the other day in >> the Facebook site, I did not tighten the nuts onto the bolts (just on loose >> ) but yesterday I checked for movement at the wing tips and there is indeed >> movement. My question for all is ..

Re: KR> wing tip movement

2018-06-03 Thread Sid Wood via KRnet
Tighten the WAF bolts to their rated torque and the outer spars will not wiggle. It is the clamping pressure at the WAF joint that does the functional holding. Shear on the bolts is a backup. And yes, we have had this discussion somewhere in the archives before. Lost somewhere in the discus

KR> wing tip movement

2018-06-02 Thread Robert Russell via KRnet
I have spent some time in the archives and there has been discussion about this. When I trial fit the wings on the project I posted pics of the other day in the Facebook site, I did not tighten the nuts onto the bolts (just on loose ) but yesterday I checked for movement at the wing tips and the

Re: KR> Wing Gaps

2018-05-08 Thread John Bouyea via KRnet
RE: Anybody use specialty tape to cover wing attach gap? I got mine from www.VinylStriping.com in 2.5" width (3" cut down custom) and that covers my WAF junction cutouts just fine. Yes it is a Scotch product. $33.50 for 150 feet! If you want some dark blue, lemme know... " 3M Scotchcal Graphic Fil

Re: KR> wing gap ideas?

2018-05-08 Thread bjoenunley via KRnet
I have a set of fiberglass wing gap covers that I will send you for the price of shipping. Joe Nunley Baker Florida  null ___ Search the KRnet Archives at https://www.mail-archive.com/krnet@list.krnet.org/. Please see LIST RULES and KRnet info at http:

Re: KR> wing gap ideas?

2018-05-08 Thread bjoenunley via KRnet
I cut some thin aluminum strips that were wide enough to cover the wing gap.  Then vinyl taped over the gap with enough overlap.   /But I think somebody said it bubbles up over the Wing /attached bolts locationsfrom the low pressure on top of the /wing. Joe Nunley Baker Florida  null __

Re: KR> wing gap ideas?

2018-05-08 Thread Phillip Matheson via KRnet
It’s simple. Just use the tried and tested Mark Langford’s plastic idea. lay up your glass on plastic then apply to gap seal. Then use peal ply. Church is web page. PS. Please delete most of previous email before sending. They are miles too long. Phil. Sent from my iPhone > > > __

Re: KR> wing gap ideas?

2018-05-08 Thread Flesner via KRnet
On 5/8/2018 9:43 AM, jeb via KRnet wrote: Anybody use specialty tape to cover wing attach gap? +++ It depends on just how wide your gaps are.  I was tired of working on mine and wanted to fly so I went to the hardware store and bought a roll of alu

Re: KR> wing gap ideas?

2018-05-08 Thread Jeff Scott via KRnet
Google "Sail Plane Gap Tape" to see what the sail plane guys use.  That should work nicely.  I've also heard of people using Gaffers tape, which comes in a host of colors and is less expensive ~$20 pee 3"wide 60 yd roll    That should be enough to hold you for a few years.   -Jeff Scott   > On

Re: KR> wing gap ideas?

2018-05-08 Thread Rllanning via KRnet
I did mine laying on my back it is not that hard cover it with duct tape and lay up one layer at a time use peel ply on each layer I tried the green method did not like it very well I think I did four layers Sent from my iPad > On May 8, 2018, at 10:43 AM, jeb via KRnet wrote: > > Anybody use

Re: KR> wing gap ideas?

2018-05-08 Thread Ppaulvsk via KRnet
Anybody use specialty tape to cover wing attach gap? I've heard people using aluminum duct tape for heater ducts. As I recall it was called speed tape or 100 mile tape in the Air Force.  But I think somebody said it bubbles up over the Wing attached bolts locationsfrom the low pressure on top of

KR> Wing Gaps

2018-05-08 Thread Mike Stirewalt via KRnet
I think I've been using the tape you describe ever since I bought my KR in 2006. It's made by Scotch I'm pretty sure. I use the same tape, although I think it's four inch instead of five or six like I use for the wing gap, to cover the cowling joints. You've got the right idea but your source

KR> wing gap ideas?

2018-05-08 Thread jeb via KRnet
Anybody use specialty tape to cover wing attach gap? If so, what kind, source - price? Polyurethane 6" x 36 yard roll = $650 !??! Trying to avoid doin an upside down on my back glass layup  on floor on my back.  Not too crazy about trying the "green glass" method. _

KR> Wing Leadng Edge Cuff

2017-10-09 Thread Stephen Hubbert via KRnet
I've looked at all the archived posts on leading edge cuffs. Has anyone actually made a wing with a cuff or added a cuff?? It would be very easy to make the profile ribs with the cuff for the initial wing build. I'm sure someone will ask "why", so here's the reason. Lower landing speed. Steve H _

KR> Wing Fences

2017-09-17 Thread svd via KRnet
uot; > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Wing Fences (Chris Gardiner) > > > -- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2017 16:35:37 -0400 > From: Chris Gardiner > To: KRnet > Subject: Re: KR> Wing Fe

Re: KR> Wing Fences

2017-09-15 Thread Chris Gardiner via KRnet
That link is restricted to registered Osprey forum participants only? Sent from my iPad > On Sep 14, 2017, at 1:18 PM, svd via KRnet wrote: > > > Looking through my pictures I couldn’t find good detail pictures of the wing > fences on my Osprey. > > But this link takes you to the plans for t

KR> Wing Fences

2017-09-14 Thread svd via KRnet
Looking through my pictures I couldn’t find good detail pictures of the wing fences on my Osprey. But this link takes you to the plans for them: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Osprey2/files/Osprey%20Wing%20Fences/

KR> Wing fuel tank

2017-05-06 Thread Christopher Pryce via KRnet
I'm almost ready to close out my fuel tank on my left wing. Working with vinylester has been frustrating and inspired me to present this haiku: Hate vinylester Should have built aluminum I hope it doesn't leak Happy building everyone! Chris Pryce ___ S

KR> Wing skin instructions

2017-05-05 Thread Garry Cowles via KRnet
Robert Kidd. I have scanned the wing skin instructions. I need your email address to send them to u Garry Cowles Sent from my iPad ___ Search the KRnet Archives at https://www.mail-archive.com/krnet@list.krnet.org/. Please see LIST RULES and KRnet inf

Re: KR> wing attach fittings

2017-04-06 Thread Larry Flesner via KRnet
"all bolt holes were filled with R.R.epoxy prior to bolts being inserted". So this was in 1975/76 to try and determine the make up of that epoxy at that time but can't find anything definitive. Does anybody have that info ? Thanks Bob R

Re: KR> wing attach fittings

2017-04-06 Thread Robert Russell via KRnet
rchives to try and determine the make up of that epoxy at that time but can't find anything definitive. Does anybody have that info ? Thanks Bob R - Original Message - From: "Oscar Zuniga via KRnet" To: krnet@list.krnet.org Cc: "Oscar Zuniga" Sent: Wednesday, Ap

KR> wing attach fittings

2017-04-06 Thread John Bouyea via KRnet
Bob, I don't recall seeing this before so I'll post it. Most of the KRs I've looked at and all the ones I've owned (that's 5 at last count), parts and components like spars, WAFs and how they've been installed is a one-off building process. What I mean is these are most typically a "drill to fit" s

Re: KR> wing attach fittings

2017-04-05 Thread Robert Russell via KRnet
Thanks Oscar It's more about trying to save the spars. I have more WAFs but the spars are good and this was a flying Kr so everything is setup properly. I just thought I would try to put the new WAFs on but will just clean the originals up really well I guess. If they don't come out well, I

KR> wing attach fittings

2017-04-05 Thread Oscar Zuniga via KRnet
Bob wrote- >I can't seem to get the bolts to loosen up. I suspect they may have been >epoxied >into the spars. Can't turn them and they don't move with any gentle persuasion. If you were only trying to salvage the WAFs and sacrifice the spars and bolts, you could try heating the bolts. If t

KR> wing attach fittings

2017-04-05 Thread Robert Russell via KRnet
I did a bit more work on cleaning up the center spars on one project and was going to change or repaint the WAFs but I can't seem to get the bolts to loosen up. I suspect they may have been epoxied into the spars. Can't turn them and they don't move with any gentle persuasion. Has anyone run int

KR> Wing tank building material

2016-11-17 Thread Ken Hurley
nicr at sharefoodbringhope.org On Nov 17, 2016 11:13 AM, "Joe. E. Wallace via KRnet" wrote: > Mike I appreciate your comments?.jw > > > On Nov 15, 2016, at 18:34, Mike Stirewalt via KRnet < > krnet at list.krnet.org> wrote: > > > > should > > ___ > Se

KR> Wing tank building material

2016-11-17 Thread Joe. E. Wallace
Mike I appreciate your comments?.jw > On Nov 15, 2016, at 18:34, Mike Stirewalt via KRnet > wrote: > > should

KR> wing tank building material - vinyl ester

2016-11-16 Thread brian.kraut at eamanufacturing.com
small chemical burn on my eye. A bit more catalyst or another few seconds and I would not still be flying. Original Message Subject: Re: KR> wing tank building material - vinyl ester From: Mark Langford via KRnet List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org Date: Mon, November 14, 2016 5:

KR> wing tank building material - vinyl ester

2016-11-16 Thread Chris Prata
I was surprised to read mark's comment about the shelf life of vinylester resin. Which is helpful to me because I happen to be in the middle of a project using that type of resin and I have some which I was planning to use that is now several months old. Never thought of that issue so I looke

KR> Wing tank building material

2016-11-15 Thread Mark Langford
Mike Stirewalt wrote: > Please pardon my Trump comments ML. I know these kinds of > observations are out of bounds and I won't do it any more, nor follow > up on anything I've written here today. Let's put an end to politics on this list right now! This kind of crap does nothing but offend exac

KR> Wing tank building material

2016-11-15 Thread laser147 at juno.com
> "I'm kinda like Bill Clapps!! . . . . X - the finger's for Trump?" Bill's had/has a really dramatic ridge across the top length of the wing where the tube interfered with the curvature of the wing. He always said it didn't affect the handling and that may or may not be true, but it didn't look

KR> wing tank building material - vinyl ester

2016-11-15 Thread Pete Klapp
Joe Try PBS boat store for vinyl ester. I remember that it was less than $100 Pete Klapp Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID bjoenunley via KRnet wrote: ?Vinyl Ester resin is also used in marine ?applications. With a little looking around ?you may find a supplier in Florida close to

KR> wing tank building material - vinyl ester

2016-11-14 Thread Jeff Scott
? Subject:?Re: KR> wing tank building material - vinyl ester If you get nothing else out of this thread, it should be that you shouldn't build fuel tanks out of epoxy, now that we have vinyl ester. Yes, you can slosh the tank and probably get good results, but it's another step, an

KR> wing tank building material - vinyl ester

2016-11-14 Thread bjoenunley
?Vinyl Ester resin is also used in marine??applications.? With a little looking around??you may find a supplier in Florida close to? you with no shipping needed. You are correct. ?I called boat supply stores down around the water. ?The smallest quantity that I have found was 1 gallon (more tha

KR> wing tank building material - vinyl ester

2016-11-14 Thread S
And it will stink up your house for days or weeks, so try to do this outside. There are odour inhibitors specially formulated for styrenic resins (polyester and vynilester), seems they work well although I have never tried them. I don't remember the brand names but an online search shall give yo

KR> wing tank building material - vinyl ester

2016-11-14 Thread Dave McCauley
14, 2016 11:21 AM To: KRnet Cc: bjoenunley Subject: Re: KR> wing tank building material - vinyl ester ?If you get nothing else out of this thread, it ?should be that you shouldn't build fuel tanks out of epoxy, now ?that we have vinyl ester. Mark L My new favorite combination is vynal E

KR> wing tank building material - vinyl ester

2016-11-14 Thread donald january
I'm kinda like Bill Clapps!! dad PVC pipe is a last long thing for fuel tank! I'm here boy's still working on the two plane's one set of wing's. I guess if I was to build some V- ester fuel tank's I'd have to test soak them for 1 year. I kinda like hard plastic for header tank and go wild on the wi

KR> wing tank building material - vinyl ester

2016-11-14 Thread bjoenunley
?If you get nothing else out of this thread, it ?should be that you shouldn't build fuel tanks out of epoxy, now??that we have vinyl ester. Mark L My new favorite combination is vynal Ester and carbon fiber. ?I now prefer the vynal Ester to working with epoxy. ?My main problem of working with it

KR> wing tank building material - vinyl ester

2016-11-14 Thread Paul Rossi
GOOD MORNING MARK,,( PLEASE TAKE MW OFF THE LIST),, ITS BEEN FUN ,, THANK YOU PAUL ROSSI On Mon, Nov 14, 2016 at 7:11 AM, S via KRnet wrote: > And it will stink up your house for days or weeks, so try to do this > outside. > > There are odour inhibitors specially formulated for styrenic resi

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2016-11-14 Thread ml at n56ml.com
If you get nothing else out of this thread, it should be that you shouldn't build fuel tanks out of epoxy, now that we have vinyl ester. Yes, you can slosh the tank and probably get good results, but it's another step, and you have to do it right. But if you use vinyl ester resin (Aircraft Spruce

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2016-11-13 Thread Mark Langford
Jeff Scott wrote: > People on the KRNet make a fuss about using only vinyl-ester, but > unless you are planning to run alcohol contaminated fuel, epoxy tanks > really aren't an issue... I've learned not to trust auto fuel of any kind if you buy it from an "off-brand" establishment, and that's

KR> wing tank building material

2016-11-13 Thread bjoenunley
?Don't skimp on the epoxy with the last layer of glass to prevent pinholes.?I had to cut into the lid of the tank to sand and clean and recoat, patch the top back in... I didn't know what my tank was made out of so I cut a round hole in the top of the tank large enough to stick my hand into th

KR> wing tank building material

2016-11-13 Thread Phillip Matheson
Ron If they are diehl wings skins the tanks will be v/ester. Dans wing skins are made of V/ester. I have them on me KR. Phil Sent from my iPhone > > ___ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://tugantek.com/archmailv2-kr/search. > Please see LIST RULE

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2016-11-13 Thread n357cj
Alamos, NM - From:?"Ronald Wright via KRnet" To:?KRnet Subject:?KR> wing tank building material Is there any way to determine whether the wing tanks in an already skinned wing were built using vinylester instead of epoxy? A KR builder has a set of wings with Diehl skins already built.

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2016-11-13 Thread Ken Hurley
Archoil, has a fuel additive that received a Nobel prize that prevents gas from going bad. On Nov 13, 2016 8:40 AM, "Larry Flesner via KRnet" wrote: > > > but unless you are planning to run alcohol contaminated fuel, epoxy tanks >> really aren't an issue. >> > >

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2016-11-13 Thread Larry Flesner
At 08:39 AM 11/13/2016, you wrote: >> but unless you are planning to run alcohol contaminated fuel, >> epoxy tanks really aren't an issue. >+++ > My tanks are epoxy and I've run a considerable amount of auto fuel > when I c

KR> wing tank building material

2016-11-13 Thread Larry Flesner
> but unless you are planning to run alcohol contaminated fuel, > epoxy tanks really aren't an issue. +++ I'm with Jeff on this one. My tanks are epoxy and I've run a considerable amount of auto fuel when I could still

KR> wing tank building material

2016-11-13 Thread Jeff Scott
hen I could, and for the last 4 years have been running mogas almost exclusively. I have never had an issue with the tanks or any degredation of the slosh compound in 20 years and well over 1100 hrs of service. -Jeff Scott Los Alamos, NM - From:?"Ronald Wright via KRnet" To:?KRne

KR> wing tank building material

2016-11-13 Thread Ronald Wright
Is there any way to determine whether the wing tanks in an already skinned wing were built using vinylester instead of epoxy? A KR builder has a set of wings with Diehl skins already built. Older wings apparently off of what was a flying airplane, but NO information about what was used to buil

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