> (question: how can you be bothered by themes.org if you've never seen it?)
i don't think i ever said i was bothered by *themes.org*. i said that i
found the inclusion of those particular screenshots (the ones i looked at)
offensive. now granted, i didn't look around the site at all, and part
Brendan/Coolian wrote:
> > My dad gave me some advice once on how to handle people that
> >treated me differently because of who I was,"Screw 'em." If you
>
> WaitI think I feel somethingyes...It's a smile.
>
> Good post. More toughness instead of whininess.
>
> Brendan
>
> **
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I've goofed twice in this thread, for which I apologise.
>
> 1. I used 'older, wiser' - I intended 'more mature, wiser' in the sense of
> 'possessed of a greater maturity level'. Apology.
>
> 2. I was unclear with 'primarily interested in sex (or mate location)'. No,
Nicole Zimmerman wrote:
> > I find that to be a rather sexist remark!
> >
> > *smile*
> > God, I can't stand people who just want to pretend they're as PC as
> > possible. We need more nekkid men to even things up. No problem here.
>
> neither theme has nekkid anything...
>
> the keanu theme
men = male chauvinist pigs
All male chauvinist pigs are men, but not all men are male chauvinist
pigs.
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Steve Kudlak wrote:
>
> Brendan/Coolian wrote:
>
> > > My dad gave me some advice once on how to handle people that
> > >treated me differently because of who I was,"Screw 'em." If you
> >
> > WaitI think I feel somethingyes...It's a smile.
> >
> > Good post. More toughness instead
Steve Kudlak wrote:
> I wrote:
> > 2. I was unclear with 'primarily interested in sex (or mate location)'. No,
> > I was not saying that are the same activity, but they are the two primary
> > goals of people at a certain stage of life.
> Brief Answer, well it's sort of brief. Well one thing that
God, I can't stand people who just want to pretend they're as PC as
possible. We need more nekkid men to even things up. No problem here.
SCREW PC.we are debilitating our society with the wishy-washy, no stand
taking, no issue addressing BULLSHIT!
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>
> >"Yes, I *am* in technical support. No, there isn't somebody more
> >knowledgeable you can talk to."
>
>
> That stinks. But I know the feeling. For me, it has nothing to do with
> gender. It's from the tone of voice...That vacant "I'm reading from a
> script" kind of voice
That wasn't the
> Ok, PC being taken too far.
Umm... no, it's not. By calling most of the women who object to your posts
"PC", you're being dismissive, both to them and the points they are trying
to make.
> That seems like a rather "looking-for-a-fight" remark.
Funny, that's how I've seen many of your posts.
Brendan said:
> I was "in" a quilting circle with an uncle
>once...
Oh please. This reminds me of the time
I had one of my high school students
tell me that he missed his math test
because he was nursing a friend through
the bubonic plague. ;-)
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From: Ian Hall-Beyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Friday, October 22, 1999 3:39 AM
Subject: Re: [issues] How not to attract geeks
>On Thu, 21 Oct 1999, Blackjax wrote:
>
>> I certainly hope this is a joke.
>
>Well, consider the s
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Steve Kudlak wrote:
> >
> > Brendan/Coolian wrote:
> >
> > > > My dad gave me some advice once on how to handle people that
> > > >treated me differently because of who I was,"Screw 'em." If you
> > >
> > > WaitI think I feel somethingyes...It's a smile.
Weekly World News is a SuperMarket Tabliodnot a source of valid media
storiesbased in sensationalism, and to wierd to be be true
stories(ie-Aliens Fathered my Baby, Who Was Born With Two Heads and
Looks like Satan)
People keep saying that as if I should recognize
the name or someth
the website in question has been known to fabricate stories to gain hits
this seems to be the case as I have done some research .. and the author
seems not to exists in the publishing arena.
nor can I find any reference to that book anywhere.
Since the book covers geeks and nerds its to be expe
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Steve Kudlak wrote:
> > I wrote:
> > > 2. I was unclear with 'primarily interested in sex (or mate location)'. No,
> > > I was not saying that are the same activity, but they are the two primary
> > > goals of people at a certain stage of life.
>
> > Brief Answer, wel
On Fri, 22 Oct 1999 09:55:31 -0400, "Blackjax" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
>People keep saying that as if I should recognize the name or
>something. Could someone explain because I don't.
Weekly World News is a major supermarket tabloid. The kind that run
stories about alien babies with two head
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Brendan said:
> I was "in" a quilting circle with an uncle
>once...
Oh please. This reminds me of the time
I had one of my high school students
tell me that he missed his math test
because he was nursing a friend through
the bubonic plague. ;-)
[EMAIL PRO
On Thu, 21 Oct 1999 22:40:44 -0500, Aaron Malone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
>Better statement: ./ with a comment threshold of 2 or 3 represents
>the geek/linux community. At least, that part of it with which I'm
>familiar.
More accurately, it represents that subset that is sufficiently
literate
On Thu, 21 Oct 1999 23:54:38 -0400, Brendan/Coolian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
>Oh, hell. It's amazing how quickly people want to fly off the handle
>on a crusade. My comment was trying to remind you that this is
>America and it sucks sometimes...
And this is why we should just sit around and i
On Fri, Oct 22, 1999 at 09:28:38AM -0500, Kelly Lynn Martin wrote:
> Kelly (and, yes, nearly all of my slashdot articles get moderated up
> to at least a 2...)
hehe... you mean after ranting about Malda's ego and bad journalism, you
still post there? ;)
--
Aaron Malone ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
System
Forgive me for being slightly off-topic on this one, but while I've been
reading all the comments on this thread, I've been constantly remembering a
conversation I had with my sister a year or so ago, in reference to her
boyfriend's X-rated screen saver... and giggling. So I thought I'd share it
Kelly Lynn Martin wrote:
>
> On Thu, 21 Oct 1999 23:54:38 -0400, Brendan/Coolian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
>
> >Oh, hell. It's amazing how quickly people want to fly off the handle
> >on a crusade. My comment was trying to remind you that this is
> >America and it sucks sometimes...
It is?
Kelly Lynn Martin wrote:
> On Fri, 22 Oct 1999 09:55:31 -0400, "Blackjax" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
>
> >People keep saying that as if I should recognize the name or
> >something. Could someone explain because I don't.
>
> Weekly World News is a major supermarket tabloid. The kind that run
>
On Fri, 22 Oct 1999 09:23:19 -0500, Aaron Malone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
>hehe... you mean after ranting about Malda's ego and bad journalism,
>you still post there?
Not recently. :)
Kelly
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> Well I have seen that sort of thing in the collegiate atmosphere. As in Dorm
> Rooms, and it was weird it seemed in California to concentrate in systems,
> not according to sex as much. It went up if you went to the State College
> system, and less in the UC System. Now I am "globalizing a bit"
On Thu, 21 Oct 1999, Nicole wrote:
> Haven't surfed through the themes lately... but the URLs that were passed
> around here had scantily clad women on them. I suppose "nekkid
> chick" should also be used to cover "scantily clad quite close to nude
> chick".
hmm..how do I say this? (I'm saying t
On Thu, 21 Oct 1999, Deirdre Saoirse wrote:
> Those women who don't grok sexism are even MORE difficult to explain it to
> imho.
or more frustrating, at least
or maybe they just put on the 180 degree blinders
(I've been guilty of that more than once)
Vinnie
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Fri, 22 Oct 1999 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Neil ''Fred'' Picciotto wrote:
> >
> > but here's where the implied intended audience comes in. if LinuxUserA
> > chooses as the sample file in gimp an image that is clearly designed for
> > men to enjoy, then the screenshot tends to imply that th
On Fri, 22 Oct 1999, J B wrote:
>
> God, I can't stand people who just want to pretend they're as PC as
> possible. We need more nekkid men to even things up. No problem here.
>
>
> SCREW PC.we are debilitating our society with the wishy-washy, no stand
> taking, no issue addressing BUL
On Fri, 22 Oct 1999, Michelle wrote:
> Seriously, though... I'm sure that the random porn in these themes is making
> some women feel alienated. If the theme is all about porn, I guess that's
> one thing - there is that demographic that just loves that sort of thing
> but to display a beaut
On Fri, 22 Oct 1999, Caitlyn Martin wrote:
> > Ok, PC being taken too far.
>
> Umm... no, it's not. By calling most of the women who object to your posts
> "PC", you're being dismissive, both to them and the points they are trying
> to make.
Good point Caitlin, thanks.
> > I am a male, I was
Hmm...on the topic of 'demoralizing' screenshots and locker room antics...
- I think if someone has demoralizing views of the opposite sex, those views were
probably put in
place long before they started picking their KDE backgrounds. I don't really have a
strong opinion
either way when it come
On Fri, 22 Oct 1999, Steve Kudlak wrote:
> And I can see all the points, of how it is nice not to be looked at by a
> single metric or measure "(s)he's cute..." Although I guess I am not hit
> on all that much seriously, so I tended to see someone's advances to me,
> in a positive or amusing ligh
>
> I'm really starting to wonder if people are just being WAY too thin
> skinned.
>
> Do any of you honestly believe that these people (be they men OR women)
> are putting babes in their screenshots in order to alienate the women in
> the linux community? Do you believe they are doing it for s
> Vinnie ( a little tired of being called 'PC' <- which in most cases is
> meaningless and is generally not something I self-identify as, every
> frickin' time she challenges the damn status quo)
Well, better to be called PC than "too sensitive" -- I get that one pretty
often when I complain tha
> I'm really starting to wonder if people are just being WAY too thin
> skinned.
Perhaps. But after you hear "women can't do xx" (where xx is usually
something technical or "male-oriented") or something similar, you start
to get more offensive than defensive, finding the problem before the
proble
On Fri, 22 Oct 1999 11:55:47 -0600 (MDT), Sio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
>Do any of you honestly believe that these people (be they men OR
>women) are putting babes in their screenshots in order to alienate
>the women in the linux community? Do you believe they are doing it
>for shock value? To ge
On Fri, 22 Oct 1999 11:17:11 -0700, Nicole Zimmerman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
>I think there are tasteful places to put pictures of nekkid/scantily
>clad women and make it look *good* and/or make the theme look more
>interesting/appealing.
Quite a bit of my art involves partially or unclothed w
On Fri, 22 Oct 1999, Cat wrote:
> Actually, no, I don't believe that they are doing it for shock value or to
> get a rise out of me. If that were the case, it would bespeak an
> understanding that those types of images CAN be construed as having shock
> value or that there is some reason they w
On Fri, 22 Oct 1999, Nicole Zimmerman wrote:
> But why does she *need* to be in the screenshot in the first place if
> it's not about her, or something related to her?
Why does everything in the screenshot HAVE to be about the theme? Isn't
the purpose of a screenshot to show what the theme look
> As someone earlier pointed out, the images that people are complaining
> about are not "adult" images. Adult images implies nudity, and possibly
> sexual act portrayal. Mostly just the suggestion of sexual acts. The
> images we frequently see on theme screenshots are of movie stars, models
> and
Hi, Kelly,
>
> No, of course this isn't their intent. It is, however, the effect.
> I'm sure 90+% of the male geeks in the Linux community are completely
> unaware of the impact their inadvertent sexism has on women. That is
> _exactly_ the problem
Thank you for putting what I've been trying to
> Why does everything in the screenshot HAVE to be about the theme? Isn't
> the purpose of a screenshot to show what the theme looks like while being
> used, rather than what it looks like with a bunch of apps and images put
> there because they relate to the theme? Apps and images that you may no
Neil ''Fred'' Picciotto wrote:
> but here's where the implied intended audience comes in. if LinuxUserA
> chooses as the sample file in gimp an image that is clearly designed for
> men to enjoy, then the screenshot tends to imply that the intended audience
> for that screenshot is male. now b
Cat wrote:
> >
> > I'm really starting to wonder if people are just being WAY too thin
> > skinned.
> >
> > Do any of you honestly believe that these people (be they men OR women)
> > are putting babes in their screenshots in order to alienate the women in
> > the linux community? Do you believ
> I feel a distinctly
> unfriendly atmosphere if I walk into a place that has girlie pictures all
> over the walls. I do not think that most places (unless clearly
> demarcated) that are inviting to both males and females generally have
> adult pictures plastered up.
>
> Cat
Actually, it just te
On Fri, 22 Oct 1999, Sio wrote:
> On Fri, 22 Oct 1999, Nicole Zimmerman wrote:
>
> > But why does she *need* to be in the screenshot in the first place if
> > it's not about her, or something related to her?
>
> Why does everything in the screenshot HAVE to be about the theme?
That's what "the
do you think he really knew the pictures made some people uncomfortable?
in some really ignorant stupid way, some men think those pictures are "art."
They also seem to think that by plastering babes up ("classy" ones, like
models), people will get the impression that they're desirable (the men
p
Terri Oda wrote:
>
> > Vinnie ( a little tired of being called 'PC' <- which in most cases is
> > meaningless and is generally not something I self-identify as, every
> > frickin' time she challenges the damn status quo)
>
> Well, better to be called PC than "too sensitive" -- I get that one pre
Dakota Surmonde wrote:
> In part I was hoping when Ingrid brought this up, that we could use the
> chance to better-define what's up with the boys' club, and once we had a
> better description, discuss ways of changing (since I expect that we are
> all coping in our individual ways...). Any taker
On Fri, 22 Oct 1999, Deirdre Saoirse wrote:
> On Fri, 22 Oct 1999, Sio wrote:
>
> > On Fri, 22 Oct 1999, Nicole Zimmerman wrote:
> >
> > > But why does she *need* to be in the screenshot in the first place if
> > > it's not about her, or something related to her?
> >
> > Why does everything i
Rikki McGinty wrote:
>
> do you think he really knew the pictures made some people uncomfortable?
>
> in some really ignorant stupid way, some men think those pictures are "art."
>
> They also seem to think that by plastering babes up ("classy" ones, like
> models), people will get the impressi
On Fri, 22 Oct 1999, Deidre L. Calarco wrote:
> Actually, it just tends to make me lose respect. I helped out a local
> developer with his computer network as a favor to my boss. I walked into
> his otherwise very nice office and saw framed pics of swimsuit models on the
> walls. My first reac
On Fri, 22 Oct 1999, Sio wrote:
> > > Why does everything in the screenshot HAVE to be about the theme?
> >
> > That's what "theme" means.
>
> You are picking out one part of my argument, and playing with the
> semantics.
Actually, no I'm not.
> If you had quoted my next few lines, I made mys
> do you think he really knew the pictures made some people uncomfortable?
>
> in some really ignorant stupid way, some men think those pictures are "art."
>
> They also seem to think that by plastering babes up ("classy" ones, like
> models), people will get the impression that they're desirable
Deirdre Saoirse wrote:
>
>
> For some reason, I'm reminded of the guy who, in the mid-70s, left his
> convertible with the top down and the lights on. On the bumper was the
> sticker "no fat chicks." Until I saw the sticker, I would normally have
> turned his lights off.
This in turn reminds me
Ingrid Schupbach wrote:
>
> On Thu, 21 Oct 1999, Jernej Zajc wrote:
> >
> > What about changing your nick?
>
> Changing my nick is not an option. I am proud of who I am; I am proud to
> be a female linux user. If it's true that women get treated badly on
> occasion by male linux users, why is
Vinnie Surmonde wrote:
>
> On Thu, 21 Oct 1999, Jernej Zajc wrote:
> >
> > What about changing your nick?
>
> First, I consider that response different from 'Well if you walk down a
> street in a short skirt after dark aren't you asking for it?' only in
> degree.
Your militant stand seems to s
I think most people create themes for themselves first. If it turns
out to be something they are proud of, they want to share their work
with others. People make themes of things they want to see on
their computers. If other people like it, cool. Everyone is entitled
to their own art. The
Nils Philippsen wrote:
> On Thu, 21 Oct 1999, ae wrote:
>
> > Explaining sexism to a male is really difficult, though gay/bi men will
> > sometimes understand if they are gorgeous.
>
> Objection, Your Honours! Some males grasp sexism and some don't, it's just
> the same as with females (though
Amanda Knox wrote:
> Anyway, I get kind of tired of hearing how only women get sexist comments. Men
> get a lot of it, too, and often they don't get as much support when they try and
> stick up for themselves.
Yup. I know Dancer gets a fair bit of anti-male comment and discrimination.
It's
a l
Amanda Knox wrote:
> However,
> it saddens me to see a woman hide everything about herself that is
'feminine' in
> order to fit in to a male-dominated community,
I realize that the issue below wasn't what Amanda probably meant, but
it certainly gives a whole new meaning to hiding one's "feminini
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