On Fri, 16 Apr 2010 17:06:37 +0100, Simon Hobson
articulated:
> As to restoring settings to a fresh install. I generally find that to
> be a whole load of hassle - unless the versions are reasonably close,
> so much tends to change that I end up having to go and sort things
> out. I wouldn't c
On Apr 16, 2010, at 6:27 AM, Jerry wrote:
Out of morbid curiosity, what is you fear of 'compiling' anyway? While
I prefer to use the distros provided by the OS vendor whenever
possible, I realize that, that is not always possible. If you are not
going to be running a Microsoft or equivalent syst
On Fri, 16 Apr 2010, Giampaolo Tomassoni wrote:
> It is not something to do know, but instead something that could have been
> done introducing 0.96...
Giampaolo: There are lots of things that COULD be done, but it is not the
philosophy of the ClamAV project.
As I said, the devs have made it c
> > Unfortunately, the net result will be that the management of the
> small
> > companies running their crappy and old mailing systems will have to
> > hardly face the fact their mailing box doesn't work anymore because a
> > free component in it unreasonably stopped working. This will decrease
>
Jerry wrote:
So, rather than update ClamAV and/or their OS, which in the majority of
cases would involve no monetary expense, users will purchase new
servers and flock en masse to Microsoft, spend thousands more on
Microsoft Windows Server 2010, Exchange, etc and learn new skills to
administer s
On Fri, 2010-04-16 at 12:14 -0400, Bowie Bailey wrote:
> Obviously this is not a retroactive solution, but now that they know
> this may be necessary, something can be changed so that it can be dealt
> with more smoothly in the future.
It already has been. 0.95 recognizes signatures which can te
On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 5:40 AM, Simon Hobson wrote:
> Török Edwin wrote:
>
> On 04/16/2010 03:17 PM, Giampaolo Tomassoni wrote:
>>
>>> It was explicitly stated that clamd will be disabled.
>>>
>>> In which language?
>>>
>>
>> "Starting from 15 April 2010 our CVD will contain a special signa
On Fri, 16 Apr 2010 17:33:19 +0100, Simon Hobson
articulated:
> Jerry wrote:
>
> >So, rather than update ClamAV and/or their OS, which in the majority
> >of cases would involve no monetary expense, users will purchase new
> >servers and flock en masse to Microsoft, spend thousands more on
> >Mic
On 16.04.10 11:41, Simon Hobson wrote:
> Subject: [Clamav-users] Debian Sarge - what now ?
> To: clamav-users@lists.clamav.net
>
> OK, so I get into work this morning to be told there's a problem with
> the mail server - and the helpdesk have had calls from several clients
> who aren't getting
Temporary fix for debian sarge, I suggest anyway to upgrade your distribution:
download packages from:
http://falco.netfarm.it/clamav/clamav-sarge/
then
/etc/init.d/clamav-daemon stop
/etc/init.d/clamav-freshclam stop
apt-get remove libclamav3
rm -fr /var/lib/clamav/*
rm -f /var/log/clamav/*
On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 07:08:56PM +0200, Gianluigi Tiesi wrote:
>
> Temporary fix for debian sarge, I suggest anyway to upgrade your distribution:
>
> download packages from:
> http://falco.netfarm.it/clamav/clamav-sarge/
>
> then
>
> /etc/init.d/clamav-daemon stop
> /etc/init.d/clamav-freshcl
> > Obviously this is not a retroactive solution, but now that they know
> > this may be necessary, something can be changed so that it can be
> dealt
> > with more smoothly in the future.
>
> It already has been. 0.95 recognizes signatures which can tell
> freshclam to not update anymore. So if
> > It is not something to do know, but instead something that could have
> been
> > done introducing 0.96...
>
> Giampaolo: There are lots of things that COULD be done, but it is not
> the
> philosophy of the ClamAV project.
>
> As I said, the devs have made it clear in the past that they feel
On Apr 16, 2010, at 5:03 AM, Leonardo Rodrigues wrote:
Em 16/04/2010 08:15, Giampaolo Tomassoni escreveu:
Indeed, an EOL on the previous minor version is quite an hazard and
may be
regarded as a self-destructive behavior: it could easily became an
End-Of-(product-)Line, meaning that people
On Apr 16, 2010, at 4:38 AM, Leonardo Rodrigues wrote:
Em 16/04/2010 08:29, Gareth Hopkins escreveu:
Any proactive admin should be monitoring their software mailing
lists so the
excuse of "We weren't told" or "Why all of
a sudden" are null and void.
I dont know in which world you liv
The problem here is that old clamav versions have stopped working at
all.
Wasn't it better to instead have freshclam to stop updating the
database?
Please note freshclam is very used to issue alerts when new clamav
versions
are available, but this didn't ever stop clamav from working. Peopl
This seems to me as: "you are not a proactive admin and you will pay
the
price then...".
There can be old installations that are running ok and admin do not
want to
upgrade the server at that moment or cannot do that at that moment.
It is up to each one to decide when to do it.
Regards.
If you don't have the time, knowledge, or whatever. Don't be a
sysadmin.
Being a sysadmin for a PRODUCTION server is a real job.
I hire someone to fix my car and repair my roof. Why because I
could try and fix something but I know I can't complain if I break
something.
Ohh, bad analogy.
Quoting Simon Hobson :
And as already pointed out. 1) I am not alone in thinking that the
notices weren't as obvious as they could have been.
Correct that they should have updated the FAQ for this. But you should
have also been on the mailing list, in which case you would have not only
known
I don't know of any way to stop freshclam from updating.
Some mirrors can blacklist old versions, but not most/all.
Using a new DNS tree, such that old freshclam versions were unable
to
perform the job?
The DNS servers don't receive any information about the version of
freshclam used to
On Apr 16, 2010, at 7:53 AM, Jason Bertoch wrote:
On 2010/04/16 10:28 AM, Simon Hobson wrote:
So keeping up to date has it's own risks - hence why many people take
the attitude of "if it aint broke, don't fix it".
It's broke...please go fix it.
--
/Jason
_
> The sysadmins could have done this by turning off freshclam.. and
> saved themselves from having to deal with the upgrade.
Who is the sysadmin of an unmanaged box?
If nobody had to turn off freshclam, why clamscan had to stop working?
In this thread I'm seeing a lot of people blaming t
On Apr 16, 2010, at 8:05 AM, Giampaolo Tomassoni wrote:
this is the first time, in SEVERAL years that i work with IT,
that i've seen a software publisher pushing a 'kill' signature to
its
own software.
Could you please qualify that statement. Do you mean that this is the
first instance
On Apr 16, 2010, at 8:08 AM, Christopher X. Candreva wrote:
It seems this has brought out people who don't normally read this
list. Let
me save you some tilting at windmills.
The philosophy of the ClamAV team has always been, when in doubt
clamd will
not run. There are many people, mysel
> > Was this the purpose?
> >
> > Giampaolo
> >
>
> Then that is their choice and when it fails, they can bitch to the
> developers of that system and switch to another vendor ...
Apart the fact that open software is not yet-another-vendor. It is a
culture.
The way the clamav team managed th
> > Unfortunately, the net result will be that the management of the
> small
> > companies running their crappy and old mailing systems will have to
> > hardly
> > face the fact their mailing box doesn't work anymore because a free
> > component in it unreasonably stopped working. This will decreas
On Apr 16, 2010, at 9:25 AM, Giampaolo Tomassoni wrote:
Quoting Giampaolo Tomassoni :
What if this DNS name stops responding (and be propagated to
mirrors)
and
instead a new current1.cvd.clamav.net (or maybe
current.cvd1.clamav.net if
you dislike the first) start working? Clamav's 0.96 c
Hmm, getting somewhat off-topic here ...
Jim Preston wrote:
Except you do not need to move all your applications, users, and
data. All you need to do is build an expensive server and have it
host ONLY email.
I already have a server that hosts ONLY mail.
Then your email server will be able t
Jerry wrote (having given up reading I think):
> >So, rather than update ClamAV and/or their OS, which in the majority
>of cases would involve no monetary expense, users will purchase new
>servers and flock en masse to Microsoft, spend thousands more on
>Microsoft Windows Server 2010, Excha
On Apr 16, 2010, at 9:32 AM, Giampaolo Tomassoni wrote:
Unfortunately, the net result will be that the management of the
small
companies running their crappy and old mailing systems will have to
hardly face the fact their mailing box doesn't work anymore
because a
free component in it unrea
On Apr 16, 2010, at 9:33 AM, Simon Hobson wrote:
Jerry wrote:
So, rather than update ClamAV and/or their OS, which in the
majority of
cases would involve no monetary expense, users will purchase new
servers and flock en masse to Microsoft, spend thousands more on
Microsoft Windows Server 20
On Apr 16, 2010, at 10:18 AM, Giampaolo Tomassoni wrote:
It is not something to do know, but instead something that could
have
been
done introducing 0.96...
Giampaolo: There are lots of things that COULD be done, but it is
not
the
philosophy of the ClamAV project.
As I said, the devs
Quoting Giampaolo Tomassoni :
The sysadmins could have done this by turning off freshclam.. and
saved themselves from having to deal with the upgrade.
Who is the sysadmin of an unmanaged box?
There should be no un-managed boxes on the network...
If nobody had to turn off freshclam,
OK, who's the mental midget that decided to just up and kill all installations
of clamav ??? I am flooded today with calls that email servers are not
working! Every d*(n one of them is the same thing. ClamAV just died.
Stupid I have never heard of a program that just because I did no
> And if the server owners / sysadmins feel that sending mail is more
> IMPORTANT than sending clean mail, they do not not need to install any
> AV software and their mail system will happily send out all it's
> mail
I guess around 25-50% of the malware is old, well-known one. So it is not
tha
On Fri, 16 Apr 2010, Gary MacKay wrote:
> OK, who's the mental midget that decided to just up and kill all
> installations of clamav ??? I am flooded today with calls that email
> servers are not working! Every d*(n one of them is the same thing.
> ClamAV just died. Stupid I have ne
On Apr 16, 2010, at 11:16 AM, Giampaolo Tomassoni wrote:
The sysadmins could have done this by turning off freshclam.. and
saved themselves from having to deal with the upgrade.
Who is the sysadmin of an unmanaged box?
The person who setup it up or the manager that decided that a si
On Fri, 16 Apr 2010 20:16:59 +0200, Giampaolo Tomassoni
articulated:
> > The sysadmins could have done this by turning off freshclam..
> > and saved themselves from having to deal with the upgrade.
>
> Who is the sysadmin of an unmanaged box?
Not me!
> If nobody had to turn off freshcl
Quoting Gary MacKay :
OK, who's the mental midget that decided to just up and kill all
installations of clamav ???
No one. Only very old installs, not all installs.
OK, so the version is not updated and it is probably not catching
all the viri that is should. SO WHAT
So why run it a
On Apr 16, 2010, at 11:25 AM, Giampaolo Tomassoni wrote:
Was this the purpose?
Giampaolo
Then that is their choice and when it fails, they can bitch to the
developers of that system and switch to another vendor ...
Apart the fact that open software is not yet-another-vendor. It is a
c
On Apr 16, 2010, at 11:16 AM, Giampaolo Tomassoni wrote:
>> The sysadmins could have done this by turning off freshclam.. and
>> saved themselves from having to deal with the upgrade.
>
> Who is the sysadmin of an unmanaged box?
The owner of the box. They may not be qualified to manage t
> > The fact that old clamscans stop working because of a remote "kill"
> > update,
> > is grave as it would be for Microsoft to stop 2000 from working with
> > an
> > update. Yes, 2000 is a dangerous thing nowadays. But nevertheless
> > who are
> > you to shut my computer?
>
> I guess you have ne
OK, who's the mental midget that decided to just up and kill all installations
of clamav ??? I am flooded today with calls that email servers are not
working! Every d*(n one of them is the same thing. ClamAV just died.
Stupid I have never heard of a program that just because I did no
On Apr 16, 2010, at 11:47 AM, Gary MacKay wrote:
OK, who's the mental midget that decided to just up and kill all
installations of clamav ??? I am flooded today with calls that email
servers are not working! Every d*(n one of them is the same
thing. ClamAV just died. Stupid I ha
On Apr 16, 2010, at 10:26 AM, Gary MacKay wrote:
OK, who's the mental midget that decided to just up and kill all
installations of clamav ??? I am flooded today with calls that email
servers are not working! Every d*(n one of them is the same
thing. ClamAV just died. Stupid I h
On Apr 16, 2010, at 2:41 AM, Steve Basford wrote:
Hi,
Just for interest.. feedback on EOL...
http://search.twitter.com/search?q=clamav
Cheers,
Steve
Sanesecurity
See what ya started Steve? :^)
Jim
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On Apr 16, 2010, at 2:56 PM, Eric Rostetter wrote:
> Quoting Gary MacKay :
>
>> OK, who's the mental midget that decided to just up and kill all
>> installations of clamav ???
>
> No one. Only very old installs, not all installs.
>
So who made who god to decide which servers get shutdown?
>
On Apr 16, 2010, at 12:13 PM, Gary MacKay wrote:
On Apr 16, 2010, at 2:56 PM, Eric Rostetter wrote:
Quoting Gary MacKay :
OK, who's the mental midget that decided to just up and kill all
installations of clamav ???
No one. Only very old installs, not all installs.
So who made who god
In message <004701cadd95$cfec35b0$6fc4a1...@biz> "Giampaolo Tomassoni"
was claimed to have wrote:
>> And if the server owners / sysadmins feel that sending mail is more
>> IMPORTANT than sending clean mail, they do not not need to install any
>> AV software and their mail system will happily send
On Fri, 16 Apr 2010 19:32:38 +0100, Simon Hobson
articulated:
> Jerry wrote (having given up reading I think):
I have a system to manage. I cannot spend all my working time here.
> > > >So, rather than update ClamAV and/or their OS, which in the
> > > >majority
> >> >of cases would involve n
> Quoting Giampaolo Tomassoni :
>
> >> The sysadmins could have done this by turning off freshclam..
> and
> >> saved themselves from having to deal with the upgrade.
> >
> > Who is the sysadmin of an unmanaged box?
>
> There should be no un-managed boxes on the network...
There shouldn'
On Apr 16, 2010, at 10:59 AM, Simon Hobson wrote:
Hmm, getting somewhat off-topic here ...
Jim Preston wrote:
Except you do not need to move all your applications, users, and
data. All you need to do is build an expensive server and have it
host ONLY email.
I already have a server that
Quoting Gary MacKay :
No one. Only very old installs, not all installs.
So who made who god to decide which servers get shutdown?
No servers were shutdown. And the creators of the software and providers
of the updates (same people) decided, which is their right as the creators
of the softw
> > If nobody had to turn off freshclam, why clamscan had to stop
> working?
> >
> > In this thread I'm seeing a lot of people blaming the sysadmin. Is it
> > crowded by sysadmins who like to show they are much more competent
> > than
> > their colleagues?
>
> Why, because all the whiners on the l
Em 16/04/2010 15:47, Gary MacKay escreveu:
OK, who's the mental midget that decided to just up and kill all installations
of clamav ??? I am flooded today with calls that email servers are not
working! Every d*(n one of them is the same thing. ClamAV just died.
Stupid I have never
Check the mailing list archives...
Let me see: I subscribed to this list in Nov 2009. I need more time
to fetch
it.
Giampaolo
Then how could you possibly have missed the announcement that clamd
installations will be disabled?
Starting from 15 April 2010 our CVD will contain a speci
On Apr 16, 2010, at 3:35 PM, Leonardo Rodrigues wrote:
> Em 16/04/2010 15:47, Gary MacKay escreveu:
>> OK, who's the mental midget that decided to just up and kill all
>> installations of clamav ??? I am flooded today with calls that email servers
>> are not working! Every d*(n one of them
Quoting Giampaolo Tomassoni :
> In this thread I'm seeing a lot of people blaming the sysadmin. Is it
> crowded by sysadmins who like to show they are much more competent
than
> their colleagues?
Yes, of course it is.
Which is wrong, anyway. Since nobody is perfect, instead of pointing out th
> > If nobody had to turn off freshclam, why clamscan had to stop
> working?
>
> Have you actually been reading and comprehending what has been stated
> in this thread?
Yes, I did. Did you? If you know, just tell me why.
> > In this thread I'm seeing a lot of people blaming the sysadmin. Is it
> > NOBODY, BUT NOBODY, HAS THE RIGHT TO SHUT DOWN SOMEONE ELSES
> SERVERS!!!
>
> They did not in any way shut down your server. No shutdown or reboot
> command was issued. They didn't turn off your power. Your server is
> up and running just fine, or if not, it isn't clamav's fault.
>
> They
On Fri, 16 Apr 2010, Giampaolo Tomassoni wrote:
> The ClamAV team have commanded old versions of its product to stop working.
I would not describe what they did that way.
Older versions of clamd were going to crash on signatures that newer
versions would accept, and the devs have been prevented
On Fri, 16 Apr 2010 12:06:35 -0700, Jim Preston
articulated:
> Happy hunting
> And nobody shut down your server. YOU configured it to not send
> mail if Clamav was not working AND YOU are responsible for setting
> up and maintaining your systems.
Jim, trying to explain to these pseudo
In message <9203dabf-59fb-4462-9ca5-7d90fb265...@edisoninfo.com> Gary
MacKay was claimed to have wrote:
>
>On Apr 16, 2010, at 2:56 PM, Eric Rostetter wrote:
>
>> Quoting Gary MacKay :
>>
>>> OK, who's the mental midget that decided to just up
>>> and kill all installations of clamav ???
>>
>>
On 2010/04/16 3:56 PM, Giampaolo Tomassoni wrote:
The ClamAV team have commanded old versions of its product to stop working.
Not even Microsoft do this.
I can't tell you how many support calls I've received over the years
with people saying "my Internet stopped working" and it was due to thei
On Apr 16, 2010, at 12:57 PM, Giampaolo Tomassoni wrote:
NOBODY, BUT NOBODY, HAS THE RIGHT TO SHUT DOWN SOMEONE ELSES
SERVERS!!!
They did not in any way shut down your server. No shutdown or reboot
command was issued. They didn't turn off your power. Your server is
up and running just fine
On Fri, 2010-04-16 at 16:00 -0400, Christopher X. Candreva wrote:
> Older versions of clamd were going to crash on signatures that newer
> versions would accept, and the devs have been prevented for at least 6
> months from using that type of signature. They have posted since then for
> people
On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 4:27 PM, Eric Rostetter
wrote:
> Quoting Gary MacKay :
>
> No one. Only very old installs, not all installs.
>>>
>>> So who made who god to decide which servers get shutdown?
>>
>
> No servers were shutdown. And the creators of the software and providers
> of the update
On Fri, 16 Apr 2010 21:56:39 +0200, Giampaolo Tomassoni
articulated:
[snip]
Obviously, you are choosing to be dense. The bottom line is that the
particulars regarding this event were published. Whether or not you
availed yourself of that notification is immaterial. There was not
anything nefario
On Apr 16, 2010, at 1:07 PM, Aecio F. Neto wrote:
On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 4:27 PM, Eric Rostetter
wrote:
Quoting Gary MacKay :
No one. Only very old installs, not all installs.
So who made who god to decide which servers get shutdown?
No servers were shutdown. And the creators of the
On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 07:08:56PM +0200, Gianluigi Tiesi wrote:
>
> Temporary fix for debian sarge, I suggest anyway to upgrade your distribution:
>
> download packages from:
> http://falco.netfarm.it/clamav/clamav-sarge/
>
> then
>
> /etc/init.d/clamav-daemon stop
> /etc/init.d/clamav-freshcl
> >> Then that is their choice and when it fails, they can bitch to the
> >> developers of that system and switch to another vendor ...
> >
> > Apart the fact that open software is not yet-another-vendor. It is a
> > culture.
> >
>
> No, ClamAV is a VENDOR that happens to be part of the open s
Quoting "Aecio F. Neto" :
This is semantics, servers/services were stopped and this is no good no
matter what.
Yes, and semantics are often important. Your argument is false, since
you didn't use the correct words to make it.
There are tons of other situations that spread out virus too and
On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 5:24 PM, Jim Preston wrote:
>
> On Apr 16, 2010, at 1:07 PM, Aecio F. Neto wrote:
>
> On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 4:27 PM, Eric Rostetter
>> wrote:
>>
>> Quoting Gary MacKay :
>>>
>>> No one. Only very old installs, not all installs.
>>>
> So who made who god to de
Quoting Jim Preston :
No, servers / services stopped because that is what the SA (or
whoever you want to blame for setting up the system) CHOSE to have
happen!
Actually the clamd service _was_ stopped and _not_ because the SA
chose to have that happen (but rather, because the SA didn't keep
> >> The sysadmins could have done this by turning off freshclam..
> and
> >> saved themselves from having to deal with the upgrade.
> >
> > Who is the sysadmin of an unmanaged box?
>
> The owner of the box. They may not be qualified to manage the machine,
> but computers don't plug thems
> > OK, who's the mental midget that decided to just up and kill all
> > installations of clamav ??? I am flooded today with calls that email
> > servers are not working! Every d*(n one of them is the same
> > thing. ClamAV just died. Stupid I have never heard of a
> > program that jus
Quoting Giampaolo Tomassoni :
No, ClamAV is a VENDOR that happens to be part of the open software
community.
So ClamAV should obey to the rules governing the open-software community.
One is that everybody is free to run it own copy of the software, in
whichever shape he/she likes it.
It isn
On Apr 16, 2010, at 1:30 PM, Giampaolo Tomassoni wrote:
Then that is their choice and when it fails, they can bitch to the
developers of that system and switch to another vendor ...
Apart the fact that open software is not yet-another-vendor. It is a
culture.
No, ClamAV is a VENDOR tha
On 4/16/10 3:36 PM, "Eric Rostetter" wrote:
> Quoting Jim Preston :
>
>> No, servers / services stopped because that is what the SA (or
>> whoever you want to blame for setting up the system) CHOSE to have
>> happen!
>
> Actually the clamd service _was_ stopped and _not_ because the SA
> chose
On Fri, 2010-04-16 at 22:30 +0200, Giampaolo Tomassoni wrote:
> So ClamAV should obey to the rules governing the open-software community.
>
> One is that everybody is free to run it own copy of the software, in
> whichever shape he/she likes it.
You can use ClamAV how ever you like. You just ca
Quoting Giampaolo Tomassoni :
I'm know a bit uncomfortable with the idea that the ClamAV team can so
easily "unplug the wire". When there are other ways to do the same with few
more effort, if at all, too.
So am I. And I'm a little uncomfortable that I didn't suggest other
ways to accomplish
Quoting Daniel McDonald :
This is not unlike the case of various RBLs that send out notice after
notice about a change, but still get whacked by bazillions of DNS queries.
This is _exactly_ like the case of RBL's that send out notice after notice,
and a year or two later change the DNS to retu
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>> The sysadmins could have done this by turnin
> >I guess around 25-50% of the malware is old, well-known one. So it is
> not
> >that silly to have an outdated AV running to lower the received one.
> >
> >But anyway, we are speaking of stuff which worked. It wasn't perfect,
> but it
> >worked. And in this days the ClamAV staff decided to break
On Apr 16, 2010, at 1:42 PM, Giampaolo Tomassoni wrote:
>> The owner of the box. They may not be qualified to manage the machine,
>> but computers don't plug themselves into the network-- every machine
>> belongs to someone who pays for electrical power and network
>> connectivity.
>
> What if yo
On Fri, 2010-04-16 at 17:13 +0300, Török Edwin wrote:
> On 04/16/2010 04:43 PM, Chris wrote:
> > I'm trying to figure out what is causing, in my opinion, abnormal memory
> > usage when clam is running. I started clamdtop and shortly thereafter it
> > crashed with the below:
> >
> > Connecting to: /
On 4/16/10 23:18 , Chuck Swiger wrote:
> On Apr 16, 2010, at 1:42 PM, Giampaolo Tomassoni wrote:
>
>>> The owner of the box. They may not be qualified to manage the machine,
>>> but computers don't plug themselves into the network-- every machine
>>> belongs to someone who pays for electrical p
2010/4/16 Gary MacKay
> OK, who's the mental midget that decided to just up and kill all
> installations of clamav ???
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On Apr 16, 2010, at 2:17 PM, Giampaolo Tomassoni wrote:
Instead, I preferred ClamAV. And I'm still helping the way I can: I'm
reporting malware, and now I'm debating on the 0.96 case. And I'm
really sad
when I discover that a move could put in danger the reputability of
the
whole project.
> > Err, it does have something to do with it. You made the assertion
> > that no-one would spend money replacing a system rather than upgrade
> > it. Two of us now have pointed out that real world PHB do exactly
> > that sort of thing - and this issue with clamav getting the kill
> > switch can be
On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 2:17 PM, Giampaolo Tomassoni <
giampa...@tomassoni.biz> wrote:
> Because I'm a bit old. And I like freedom. And I prefer to have to bother
> with mailing lists and bulletin reports and have the control of systems,
> instead of put my work in the hand of people who could cha
On Apr 16, 2010, at 2:53 PM, Freddie Cash wrote:
On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 2:17 PM, Giampaolo Tomassoni <
giampa...@tomassoni.biz> wrote:
Because I'm a bit old. And I like freedom. And I prefer to have to
bother
with mailing lists and bulletin reports and have the control of
systems,
instead
> >>
> >> Check the mailing list archives...
> >
> > Let me see: I subscribed to this list in Nov 2009. I need more time
> > to fetch
> > it.
> >
> >
> > Giampaolo
> >
> >
>
> Then how could you possibly have missed the announcement that clamd
> installations will be disabled?
Probably I didn't e
> Pointing out that they are wrong, why they are wrong, and how they
> should
> do things instead _IS_ helping them. That is the way people work, that
> is the way people learn, that is how wrong situations get corrected.
The only "wrong situation" I see is the fact that bunch of people, urged by
> > The ClamAV team have commanded old versions of its product to stop
> working.
>
> I would not describe what they did that way.
>
> Older versions of clamd were going to crash on signatures that newer
> versions would accept, and the devs have been prevented for at least 6
> months from using
> > The ClamAV team have commanded old versions of its product to stop
> working.
> > Not even Microsoft do this.
>
> I can't tell you how many support calls I've received over the years
> with people saying "my Internet stopped working" and it was due to
> their
> Norton or McAfee license expirin
> >>> NOBODY, BUT NOBODY, HAS THE RIGHT TO SHUT DOWN SOMEONE ELSES
> >> SERVERS!!!
> >>
> >> They did not in any way shut down your server. No shutdown or
> reboot
> >> command was issued. They didn't turn off your power. Your server
> is
> >> up and running just fine, or if not, it isn't clamav
> Obviously, you are choosing to be dense. The bottom line is that the
> particulars regarding this event were published. Whether or not you
> availed yourself of that notification is immaterial. There was not
> anything nefarious in the ClamAV team's actions. You have obviously
> bought into the s
> It isn't the software per se that is the problem, it is the virus
> database subscription... If you want to maintain your own virus
> database, you can run as old a version of clamav software as you want.
>
> Asking clamav to support definitions for old versions is like asking
> other vendors t
On Fri, 16 Apr 2010 23:50:09 +0200, Giampaolo Tomassoni
articulated:
> > > Err, it does have something to do with it. You made the assertion
> > > that no-one would spend money replacing a system rather than
> > > upgrade it. Two of us now have pointed out that real world PHB do
> > > exactly tha
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