Re: Mail-Followup-To header; was: Mailing lists

2025-05-20 Thread Michael Kjörling
On 19 May 2025 14:23 -0700, from mutt-us...@veggiechinese.net (Will Yardley): > As best I understand, M-F-T is a draft from 1997 that expired in > 1998(?), never made progress towards becoming a standard (and is only > implemented by a handful of other clients other than Mutt, none of which > are s

Re: Mail-Followup-To (was Re: breaking long header lines into 2 (or more) lines)

2018-05-01 Thread Derek Martin
On Fri, Apr 27, 2018 at 10:50:47AM -0700, Will Yardley wrote: > On Fri, Apr 27, 2018 at 08:57:50AM -0700, Kevin J. McCarthy wrote: > > > > I always thought $followup_to was a pretty nice feature. While I > > sympathize with Matthias, the mischief was the result of > > misconfiguration, and Mutt r

Re: Mail-Followup-To (was Re: breaking long header lines into 2 (or more) lines)

2018-05-01 Thread Derek Martin
On Fri, Apr 27, 2018 at 06:33:52AM +0200, Matthias Apitz wrote: > El día jueves, abril 26, 2018 a las 05:28:55p. m. -0500, Derek Martin > escribió: > > > On Wed, Apr 25, 2018 at 07:31:20PM +0200, Matthias Apitz wrote: > > > $ grep -i Mail-Followup-To ~/.muttrc > > > $ > > > > > > as I said, I do

Re: Mail-Followup-To (was Re: breaking long header lines into 2 (or more) lines)

2018-04-30 Thread Kevin J. McCarthy
On Mon, Apr 30, 2018 at 05:27:26PM +1000, Erik Christiansen wrote: > Here, declares: "Mutt also supports the Mail-Followup-To header. > When you send a message to a list of recipients which includes one or > several subscribed mailing lists, and if the $followup_to option is set, > Mutt will gener

Re: Mail-Followup-To (was Re: breaking long header lines into 2 (or more) lines)

2018-04-30 Thread Erik Christiansen
On 27.04.18 08:57, Kevin J. McCarthy wrote: > I always thought $followup_to was a pretty nice feature. While I > sympathize with Matthias, the mischief was the result of > misconfiguration, and Mutt requires nothing if not attention to the > documentation and configuration. > > However, if there

Re: Mail-Followup-To (was Re: breaking long header lines into 2 (or more) lines)

2018-04-27 Thread Will Yardley
On Fri, Apr 27, 2018 at 08:57:50AM -0700, Kevin J. McCarthy wrote: > > I always thought $followup_to was a pretty nice feature. While I > sympathize with Matthias, the mischief was the result of > misconfiguration, and Mutt requires nothing if not attention to the > documentation and configuratio

Re: Mail-Followup-To (was Re: breaking long header lines into 2 (or more) lines)

2018-04-27 Thread Patrick Shanahan
* Kevin J. McCarthy [04-27-18 11:58]: [...] > I always thought $followup_to was a pretty nice feature. While I > sympathize with Matthias, the mischief was the result of > misconfiguration, and Mutt requires nothing if not attention to the > documentation and configuration. > > However, if ther

Re: Mail-Followup-To (was Re: breaking long header lines into 2 (or more) lines)

2018-04-27 Thread Kevin J. McCarthy
On Thu, Apr 26, 2018 at 08:50:35PM +, Mihai Lazarescu wrote: > > > On April 26, 2018 8:24:16 PM UTC, Ian Zimmerman wrote: > > On 2018-04-25 10:24, Will Yardley wrote: > > > > > Kind of thread drift, but I actually wonder if Mutt shouldn't move > > > away from Mail-Followup-To, as it never b

Re: Mail-Followup-To (was Re: breaking long header lines into 2 (or more) lines)

2018-04-27 Thread Patrick Shanahan
* Kevin J. McCarthy [04-27-18 11:47]: > On Fri, Apr 27, 2018 at 07:48:40AM -0700, Ian Zimmerman wrote: > > On 2018-04-27 06:33, Matthias Apitz wrote: > > > > > Hmm, someone set Reply-To in the headers of your mail too. > > > > That was the list manager, and that's what I call munging. > > I don

Re: Mail-Followup-To (was Re: breaking long header lines into 2 (or more) lines)

2018-04-27 Thread Kevin J. McCarthy
On Fri, Apr 27, 2018 at 07:48:40AM -0700, Ian Zimmerman wrote: > On 2018-04-27 06:33, Matthias Apitz wrote: > > > Hmm, someone set Reply-To in the headers of your mail too. > > That was the list manager, and that's what I call munging. I don't believe so. I have reply_goes_to_list set to 'Poste

Re: Mail-Followup-To (was Re: breaking long header lines into 2 (or more) lines)

2018-04-27 Thread Ian Zimmerman
On 2018-04-27 06:33, Matthias Apitz wrote: > Hmm, someone set Reply-To in the headers of your mail too. That was the list manager, and that's what I call munging. AIUI it was one of the reasons why Mail-Followup-To was invented, because Reply-To could not be trusted anymore. I feel it would be

Re: Mail-Followup-To (was Re: breaking long header lines into 2 (or more) lines)

2018-04-26 Thread Matthias Apitz
El día jueves, abril 26, 2018 a las 05:28:55p. m. -0500, Derek Martin escribió: > On Wed, Apr 25, 2018 at 07:31:20PM +0200, Matthias Apitz wrote: > > $ grep -i Mail-Followup-To ~/.muttrc > > $ > > > > as I said, I do not set any Mail-Followup-To; and I think Reply-To: > > and From: is quite norm

Re: Mail-Followup-To (was Re: breaking long header lines into 2 (or more) lines)

2018-04-26 Thread Derek Martin
On Wed, Apr 25, 2018 at 07:31:20PM +0200, Matthias Apitz wrote: > $ grep -i Mail-Followup-To ~/.muttrc > $ > > as I said, I do not set any Mail-Followup-To; and I think Reply-To: > and From: is quite normal; Reply-To should normally not be set; its purpose is to route mail to the proper address

Re: Mail-Followup-To (was Re: breaking long header lines into 2 (or more) lines)

2018-04-26 Thread Mihai Lazarescu
On April 26, 2018 8:24:16 PM UTC, Ian Zimmerman wrote: > On 2018-04-25 10:24, Will Yardley wrote: > > > Kind of thread drift, but I actually wonder if Mutt shouldn't move > > away from Mail-Followup-To, as it never became a standard, and is > not > > really adopted by (m)any other commonly used

Re: Mail-Followup-To (was Re: breaking long header lines into 2 (or more) lines)

2018-04-26 Thread Ian Zimmerman
On 2018-04-25 10:24, Will Yardley wrote: > Kind of thread drift, but I actually wonder if Mutt shouldn't move > away from Mail-Followup-To, as it never became a standard, and is not > really adopted by (m)any other commonly used mail clients. It is supported by Gnus. I don't know of any others,

Re: Mail-Followup-To (was Re: breaking long header lines into 2 (or more) lines)

2018-04-26 Thread Will Yardley
On Thu, Apr 26, 2018 at 06:38:54AM +0200, Matthias Apitz wrote: > El día Wednesday, April 25, 2018 a las 08:23:37PM -0400, Patrick Shanahan > escribió: > > > you might want to reconsider. you said *you* didn't make the setting, > > that "mutt" was to blame. there really is no "blame". one must

Re: Mail-Followup-To (was Re: breaking long header lines into 2 (or more) lines)

2018-04-25 Thread Matthias Apitz
El día Wednesday, April 25, 2018 a las 08:23:37PM -0400, Patrick Shanahan escribió: > you might want to reconsider. you said *you* didn't make the setting, > that "mutt" was to blame. there really is no "blame". one must make the > settings to do what they wish and you didn't bother and now tr

Re: Mail-Followup-To (was Re: breaking long header lines into 2 (or more) lines)

2018-04-25 Thread Matthias Apitz
I'm tired of such blames. I'm using mutt for more then 15 years, IIRC. And of course every day you learn something new or something I did wrong. But what you send is not help, but just blames. Thanks matthias -- Matthias Apitz, ✉ g...@unixarea.de, ⌂ http://www.unixarea.de/ 📱 +49-1

Re: Mail-Followup-To (was Re: breaking long header lines into 2 (or more) lines)

2018-04-25 Thread Patrick Shanahan
* Matthias Apitz [04-25-18 17:20]: > El día miércoles, abril 25, 2018 a las 04:14:52p. m. -0400, Patrick Shanahan > escribió: > > > > Who adds this? mutt by its own? If so, based on what? > > > > > > you do, don't you have man pages for mutt and muttrc? mutt doesn't do > > anything except wha

Re: Mail-Followup-To (was Re: breaking long header lines into 2 (or more) lines)

2018-04-25 Thread Matthias Apitz
El día miércoles, abril 25, 2018 a las 04:14:52p. m. -0400, Patrick Shanahan escribió: > > Who adds this? mutt by its own? If so, based on what? > > > you do, don't you have man pages for mutt and muttrc? mutt doesn't do > anything except what *you* tell it to. no, mutt does it by its own bec

Re: Mail-Followup-To (was Re: breaking long header lines into 2 (or more) lines)

2018-04-25 Thread Todd Zullinger
Matthias Apitz wrote: > El día miércoles, abril 25, 2018 a las 08:56:26p. m. +0200, Matthias Apitz > escribió: > >> El día miércoles, abril 25, 2018 a las 02:46:06p. m. -0400, Patrick Shanahan >> escribió: >> >>> then you have someone in your system makeing changes to your posts, >> >> the 'sy

Re: Mail-Followup-To (was Re: breaking long header lines into 2 (or more) lines)

2018-04-25 Thread Patrick Shanahan
* Matthias Apitz [04-25-18 15:08]: > El día miércoles, abril 25, 2018 a las 08:56:26p. m. +0200, Matthias Apitz > escribió: > > > El día miércoles, abril 25, 2018 a las 02:46:06p. m. -0400, Patrick > > Shanahan escribió: > > > > > then you have someone in your system makeing changes to your po

Re: Mail-Followup-To (was Re: breaking long header lines into 2 (or more) lines)

2018-04-25 Thread Kevin J. McCarthy
On Wed, Apr 25, 2018 at 07:31:20PM +0200, Matthias Apitz wrote: > El día Wednesday, April 25, 2018 a las 10:24:45AM -0700, Will Yardley > escribió: > > > On Wed, Apr 25, 2018 at 09:28:02AM -0700, Kevin J. McCarthy wrote: > > > On Wed, Apr 25, 2018 at 05:56:43PM +0200, Matthias Apitz wrote: > > >

Re: Mail-Followup-To (was Re: breaking long header lines into 2 (or more) lines)

2018-04-25 Thread Matthias Apitz
El día miércoles, abril 25, 2018 a las 08:56:26p. m. +0200, Matthias Apitz escribió: > El día miércoles, abril 25, 2018 a las 02:46:06p. m. -0400, Patrick Shanahan > escribió: > > > then you have someone in your system makeing changes to your posts, > > the 'system' is a FreeBSD netbook using

Re: Mail-Followup-To (was Re: breaking long header lines into 2 (or more) lines)

2018-04-25 Thread Matthias Apitz
El día miércoles, abril 25, 2018 a las 02:46:06p. m. -0400, Patrick Shanahan escribió: > then you have someone in your system makeing changes to your posts, the 'system' is a FreeBSD netbook using mutt+sendmail; I will Cc me on this mail to see its sent headers; matthias -- Matthias

Re: Mail-Followup-To (was Re: breaking long header lines into 2 (or more) lines)

2018-04-25 Thread Patrick Shanahan
@freebsd.org gnupg-us...@gnupg.org > > $ grep -i Mail-Followup-To ~/.muttrc > $ > > as I said, I do not set any Mail-Followup-To; and I think Reply-To: > and From: is quite normal; then you have someone in your system makeing changes to your posts, Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2018 19

Re: Mail-Followup-To (was Re: breaking long header lines into 2 (or more) lines)

2018-04-25 Thread Matthias Apitz
El día Wednesday, April 25, 2018 a las 10:24:45AM -0700, Will Yardley escribió: > On Wed, Apr 25, 2018 at 09:28:02AM -0700, Kevin J. McCarthy wrote: > > On Wed, Apr 25, 2018 at 05:56:43PM +0200, Matthias Apitz wrote: > > > On Wednesday, 25 April 2018 17:17:54 CEST, Patrick Shanahan > > > > which h

Re: Mail-Followup-To and friends

2010-10-25 Thread Mike Hollis
On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 01:25:53PM -0500, Kyle Wheeler wrote: > On Saturday, October 23 at 05:45 PM, quoth Mike Hollis: > > The only problem with this config is I have to use List-Reply for > > some mail and not for others. > > I had this problem (or something similar), and I used hooks to "fix"

Re: Mail-Followup-To and friends

2010-10-25 Thread Kyle Wheeler
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On Saturday, October 23 at 05:45 PM, quoth Mike Hollis: > The only problem with this config is I have to use List-Reply for > some mail and not for others. I had this problem (or something similar), and I used hooks to "fix" it for all intents and

Re: Mail-Followup-To and friends

2010-10-24 Thread Mike Hollis
On Sun, Oct 24, 2010 at 02:14:30PM +1100, Cameron Simpson wrote: > On 23Oct2010 17:45, Mike Hollis wrote: > | The only problem with this config is I have to use List-Reply for some > | mail and not for others. > > they're usually what I intend and easy to change if not. > > I can only suggest s

Re: Mail-Followup-To and friends

2010-10-23 Thread Cameron Simpson
On 23Oct2010 17:45, Mike Hollis wrote: | After reading the docs I have : | set followup_to=yes | set honor_followup_to=yes | lists mutt-users@ some-others@ | **suscribe caused only mutt-users@ to be shown in the index | ** I wanted to see the posters names | various save-hooks | | If I understa

Re: Mail-Followup-To and friends

2010-10-23 Thread Mike Hollis
On Sat, Oct 23, 2010 at 07:30:22PM -0300, Monte Stevens wrote: > On Sat, Oct 23, 2010 at 05:45:51PM -0400, Mike Hollis wrote: > > **suscribe caused only mutt-users@ to be shown in the index > > ** I wanted to see the posters names > > What is your index_format? > If you are using the default, chan

Re: Mail-Followup-To and friends

2010-10-23 Thread Monte Stevens
On Sat, Oct 23, 2010 at 05:45:51PM -0400, Mike Hollis wrote: > **suscribe caused only mutt-users@ to be shown in the index > ** I wanted to see the posters names What is your index_format? If you are using the default, change the 'L' to 'n'. (Sorry for excessive trimming, I only wanted to tackle

Re: Mail-Followup-To/Reply-To alternatives

2002-10-01 Thread Will Yardley
Hanspeter Roth wrote: > > Are there headers used by other MUAs that have similar function like > Mail-Followup-To and Reply-To? Well Reply-To: is an internet standard, and is followed by most mailers. Mail-Followup-To: was an internet draft that never got adopted as a standard; mutt is still cli

Re: mail-followup-to header

2002-04-17 Thread darren chamberlain
* Eduardo Gargiulo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002-04-17 14:06]: > I use diferent email addresses to subscribe to diferent lists, > ejg-mutt for mutt-users and ejg-qmail for qmail lists. I use ejg too. > Is the following alternetes set appropriately for my scenario? > > set alternates="^ejg.*(-mutt|-qm

Re: mail-followup-to header

2002-04-17 Thread Will Yardley
Eduardo Gargiulo wrote: > > I'm running mutt 1.3.28 and i have set followup_to honor_followup_to. > I want to configure mutt to set mail-followup-to header just only with the > address of the mailing list i'm posting to, and not with my address. > Is there any way to do that? I mean remove other

Re: mail-followup-to header

2002-04-17 Thread Eduardo Gargiulo
Michael Tatge <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > set alternates appropriately and configure the lists you are subscribed to > with the subscribe command. If you list-reply to a mailinglist mail > which has a mft header mutt will only reply to the adresses in the mft > header. > > HTH, thanks, it wo

Re: mail-followup-to header

2002-04-17 Thread Michael Tatge
Eduardo Gargiulo ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) muttered: > I'm running mutt 1.3.28 and i have set followup_to honor_followup_to. Good. :) > I want to configure mutt to set mail-followup-to header just only with the > address of the mailing list i'm posting to, and not with my address. > Is there any way t

Re: Mail-Followup-To on mutt-users redundant?

2002-03-15 Thread David Champion
* On 2002.03.15, in <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, * "Shawn McMahon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This one time, at band camp, David Champion wrote: > > > > Personally, I don't like the idea of hard-coding mutt to recognize > > mailing lists according to commonly-observed trends that aren't > > speci

Re: Mail-Followup-To on mutt-users redundant?

2002-03-15 Thread Shawn McMahon
This one time, at band camp, David Champion wrote: > > Personally, I don't like the idea of hard-coding mutt to recognize > mailing lists according to commonly-observed trends that aren't > specified by a reasonably standard standard. There are many ways > to identify a mailing list. Mutt shouldn

Re: Mail-Followup-To on mutt-users redundant?

2002-03-15 Thread Shawn McMahon
This one time, at band camp, David T-G wrote: > > BTW, subscribe is a superset of lists; you'll only need one for lists on > which you are and then one for lists on which you aren't. Yeah, figured that one out after I posted. :-) > Great. Start coding. Post the result. TIA & HAND Trust me,

Re: Mail-Followup-To on mutt-users redundant?

2002-03-15 Thread Dave Pearson
* Shawn McMahon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002-03-15 10:17:37 -0500]: > This one time, at band camp, Dave Pearson wrote: > > > Perhaps I'm missing something here but I don't use to tell > > mutt that an email is from a mailing list, I use to tell > > mutt that I want to respond to the list it was fr

Re: Mail-Followup-To on mutt-users redundant?

2002-03-15 Thread Jeremy Blosser
On Mar 15, Shawn McMahon [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote: > This one time, at band camp, Dave Pearson wrote: > > > > Perhaps I'm missing something here but I don't use to tell mutt > > that an email is from a mailing list, I use to tell mutt that I > > want to respond to the list it was from (instead

Re: Mail-Followup-To on mutt-users redundant?

2002-03-15 Thread David T-G
Shawn -- ...and then Shawn McMahon said... % % This one time, at band camp, Dave Pearson wrote: % > % > Perhaps I'm missing something here but I don't use to tell mutt % > that an email is from a mailing list, I use to tell mutt that I % > want to respond to the list it was from (instead of t

Re: Mail-Followup-To on mutt-users redundant?

2002-03-15 Thread Shawn McMahon
This one time, at band camp, Dave Pearson wrote: > > Perhaps I'm missing something here but I don't use to tell mutt > that an email is from a mailing list, I use to tell mutt that I > want to respond to the list it was from (instead of to the author of the > email, or whatever). Uh huh. And

Re: Mail-Followup-To on mutt-users redundant?

2002-03-15 Thread Dan Boger
On Fri, Mar 15, 2002 at 02:57:36PM +, Dave Pearson wrote: > * Shawn McMahon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002-03-15 09:41:11 -0500]: > > > Mailing lists aren't easy to recognize, at least when they don't put in a > > header, but you're forgetting that this will only come up if the user hits > > the l

Re: Mail-Followup-To on mutt-users redundant?

2002-03-15 Thread Dave Pearson
* Shawn McMahon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002-03-15 09:41:11 -0500]: > Mailing lists aren't easy to recognize, at least when they don't put in a > header, but you're forgetting that this will only come up if the user hits > the list-reply key, thereby TELLING mutt that the email was from a list. Per

Re: Mail-Followup-To on mutt-users redundant?

2002-03-15 Thread Jeremy Blosser
On Mar 15, Shawn McMahon [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote: > This one time, at band camp, Jeremy Blosser wrote: > > > > Not for list-reply. The important thing to make this command work is > > letting mutt know which mails are from lists, using the 'subscribe' and > > 'lists' commands. > > Bleargh. W

Re: Mail-Followup-To on mutt-users redundant?

2002-03-15 Thread Shawn McMahon
This one time, at band camp, David T-G wrote: > > So, since lists are so easy to recognize, have a script that generates > mailing list names from your directories and put something like Mailing lists aren't easy to recognize, at least when they don't put in a header, but you're forgetting that

Re: Mail-Followup-To on mutt-users redundant?

2002-03-15 Thread David T-G
Shawn -- ...and then Shawn McMahon said... % % This one time, at band camp, Jeremy Blosser wrote: % > % > Not for list-reply. The important thing to make this command work is % > letting mutt know which mails are from lists, using the 'subscribe' and % > 'lists' commands. % % Bleargh. What a

Re: Mail-Followup-To on mutt-users redundant?

2002-03-15 Thread Shawn McMahon
This one time, at band camp, Jeremy Blosser wrote: > > Not for list-reply. The important thing to make this command work is > letting mutt know which mails are from lists, using the 'subscribe' and > 'lists' commands. Bleargh. What a pain in the ass. Most of my mailing lists identify themselv

Re: Mail-Followup-To on mutt-users redundant?

2002-03-14 Thread Jeremy Blosser
On Mar 14, Simon White [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote: > 14-Mar-02 at 12:20, Shawn McMahon ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote : > > This one time, at band camp, Simon White wrote: > > > > > > Ahh yes there is. L (list-reply). Or whatever you map it to in your muttrcs. > > > Cool. > > > > Except it doesn't wor

Re: Mail-Followup-To on mutt-users redundant?

2002-03-14 Thread Simon White
14-Mar-02 at 12:20, Shawn McMahon ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote : > This one time, at band camp, Simon White wrote: > > > > Ahh yes there is. L (list-reply). Or whatever you map it to in your muttrcs. > > Cool. > > Except it doesn't work with any mailing list I've tried. I just hit SHIFT-L and this

Re: Mail-Followup-To on mutt-users redundant?

2002-03-14 Thread Dan Boger
On Thu, Mar 14, 2002 at 12:20:06PM -0500, Shawn McMahon wrote: > This one time, at band camp, Simon White wrote: > > > > Ahh yes there is. L (list-reply). Or whatever you map it to in your muttrcs. > > Cool. > > Except it doesn't work with any mailing list I've tried. > > Including, for example

Re: Mail-Followup-To on mutt-users redundant?

2002-03-14 Thread Shawn McMahon
This one time, at band camp, Simon White wrote: > > Ahh yes there is. L (list-reply). Or whatever you map it to in your muttrcs. > Cool. Except it doesn't work with any mailing list I've tried. Including, for example, this one... msg25508/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: Mail-Followup-To on mutt-users redundant?

2002-03-14 Thread Dave Pearson
* Sven Guckes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002-03-14 15:26:01 +0100]: > oh - you mean, this Mail-Followup-To is for "extra notification"? Please actually read what I write. I mean it could be one use for someone. You asked a question, I provided one possible answer. Once again it seems that such a ques

Re: Mail-Followup-To on mutt-users redundant?

2002-03-14 Thread Sven Guckes
* Dave Pearson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002-03-14 14:14]: > > So this Mail-Followup-To seems redundant [on a closed list] > Could it not be the case that the personal entry in > Mail-Followup-To might be pointing to an address with which > the author isn't subscribed to the list? This might be an > a

Re: Mail-Followup-To on mutt-users redundant?

2002-03-14 Thread Dave Pearson
* Sven Guckes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002-03-14 13:55:59 +0100]: > * Simon White <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002-03-14 12:51]: > > > Don't follow... what am I doing wrong? > > well, you have to be subscribed to the list to be able to send to it. so I > know that when I reply to the list you'll get a cop

Re: Mail-Followup-To on mutt-users redundant?

2002-03-14 Thread Simon White
14-Mar-02 at 13:55, Sven Guckes ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote : > > > > Mail-Followup-To: Simon White <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, > > > > Mutt User List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > this is a closed list, isn't it? > > Don't follow... what am I doing wrong? > > well, you have to be subscribed to the li

Re: char sets (was "Re: mail-followup-to standard...." though it shouldn't have been)

2001-12-05 Thread David T-G
Michael, et al -- ...and then Michael Tatge said... % David T-G muttered: % > % > :set ?charset % > charset="iso-8859-1" % > % > so I should think that it would be fine. Does anyone have any idea what % > might be up? % % What are your LC settings? % % Mine are: % LANG=en_US % LANGUAGE=e

Re: char sets (was "Re: mail-followup-to standard...." though it shouldn't have been)

2001-12-05 Thread Michael Tatge
David T-G muttered: > % | % René Clerc - ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) > > Interesting... Your accented e showed up as backslash-three-five-one > in the pager > My charset value is > > :set ?charset > charset="iso-8859-1" > > so I should think that it would be fine. Does anyon

Re: char sets (was "Re: mail-followup-to standard...." though it shouldn't have been)

2001-12-05 Thread David T-G
Rene -- ...and then Ren? Clerc said... % * David T-G <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [05-12-2001 03:18]: % % | :set ?charset % | charset="iso-8859-1" % % So is mine. Hokay; that makes sense. % % | so I should think that it would be fine. Does anyone have any idea what % | might be up? % % Except

Re: char sets (was "Re: mail-followup-to standard...." though it shouldn't have been)

2001-12-05 Thread René Clerc
* David T-G <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [05-12-2001 03:18]: | My charset value is | | :set ?charset | charset="iso-8859-1" So is mine. | so I should think that it would be fine. Does anyone have any idea what | might be up? Except for this incredibly long list of patches, most values are the sam

char sets (was "Re: mail-followup-to standard...." though it shouldn't have been)

2001-12-04 Thread David T-G
Rene, et al -- ...and then Ren? Clerc said... % * David T-G <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [04-12-2001 23:41]: % % | Rene -- % | % | ...and then Ren? Clerc said... ... % | % -- % | % René Clerc - ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) % % Hmm... you still seem to find three ways to spell my name ;) I

Re: mail-followup-to standard....

2001-12-04 Thread René Clerc
* David T-G <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [04-12-2001 23:41]: | Rene -- | | ...and then Ren? Clerc said... (see below) | Did you postpone in the middle of that message? If you postpone, you | must be in the same mailbox when you recall and complete in order for the | flag to be properly updated. That

Re: mail-followup-to standard....

2001-12-04 Thread David T-G
Rene -- ...and then Ren? Clerc said... % Something else that strikes me: Whack! % % % ... % 593 rs Dec 04 Mark Sheppard( 41) tq> % 594 S> Dec 04 To Mutt Users( 50) x mq> % 595 S Dec 04 Will Yardley ( 42) mq

Re: mail-followup-to standard....

2001-12-04 Thread René Clerc
Something else that strikes me: 591 r Dec 04 Will Yardley ( 38) mq> 592 s> Dec 04 To Mutt Users( 74) mq> 593 rs Dec 04 Mark Sheppard( 41) tq> 594 S> Dec 04 To Mutt Users( 50) x mq> 595

Re: mail-followup-to standard....

2001-12-04 Thread René Clerc
* Samuel Padgett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [04-12-2001 22:43]: | Mutt should generate the MFT header based on the people you've | included in the To: and Cc: headers. If you remove the improperly | Cc-ed individual from the Cc: header, Mutt should not put that | person in the MFT header. I completely

Re: mail-followup-to standard....

2001-12-04 Thread René Clerc
* Mark Sheppard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [04-12-2001 22:11]: | > | true, however if your admin were to add this list to the server (say for | > | internal lists, or common lists) then you would have no way to change | > | this (assuming you do not have root access on the machine). if it's | > | your

Re: mail-followup-to standard....

2001-12-04 Thread René Clerc
* Will Yardley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [04-12-2001 22:41]: [...] | besides, i don't think you had reply-to set on your message anyway... | hitting group-reply still honors MFT i'm pretty sure. You don't have to have a Reply-To header in order for group-reply to work, do you? -- René Clerc

Re: mail-followup-to standard....

2001-12-04 Thread Samuel Padgett
Will Yardley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Ren? Clerc wrote: > >> Then you probably have set ignore_list_reply_to=yes (where no = default) > > i don't. > > zugzug [~]% grep -ri ignore_list_reply .mutt* > zugzug [~]% A better test might be :set ?ignore_list_reply_to inside of Mutt. > yes i

Re: mail-followup-to standard....

2001-12-04 Thread Will Yardley
Ren? Clerc wrote: > * Will Yardley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [04-12-2001 21:52]: > | Ren? Clerc wrote: > | yeah you're correct about 'reply' - my bad. however group-reply i'm > | pretty sure honors MFT... if i select group-reply, in response to your > | mail, it is just addressed to the mutt list. >

Re: mail-followup-to standard....

2001-12-04 Thread Mark Sheppard
On 2001-12-04 (Tuesday) at 21:40:40 +0100, René Clerc wrote: > * Will Yardley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [04-12-2001 21:22]: > | Josh Huber wrote: > | > > | > 1) to have qmail generate the Mail-Followup-To header automatically, > | >you must have a list of mailing lists for it to use, so unless you

Re: mail-followup-to standard....

2001-12-04 Thread René Clerc
* Will Yardley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [04-12-2001 21:52]: | Ren? Clerc wrote: | > | > I didn't check for group reply, but when I reply to your mail, it will | > be sent to you directly, and when I 'L'ist reply, as I'm doing now, it | > is sent to the list. Strange, I can't think of any directive th

Re: mail-followup-to standard....

2001-12-04 Thread Will Yardley
Ren? Clerc wrote: > > I didn't check for group reply, but when I reply to your mail, it will > be sent to you directly, and when I 'L'ist reply, as I'm doing now, it > is sent to the list. Strange, I can't think of any directive that > would cause this behaviour... yeah you're correct about 're

Re: mail-followup-to standard....

2001-12-04 Thread René Clerc
* Will Yardley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [04-12-2001 21:22]: | Josh Huber wrote: | > Will Yardley writes: | > | > Er, a few points: | > | > 1) to have qmail generate the Mail-Followup-To header automatically, | >you must have a list of mailing lists for it to use, so unless you | >add address

Re: mail-followup-to standard....

2001-12-04 Thread Will Yardley
Josh Huber wrote: > Will Yardley writes: > > Er, a few points: > > 1) to have qmail generate the Mail-Followup-To header automatically, >you must have a list of mailing lists for it to use, so unless you >add addresses to this list, the header won't get generated. true, however if your

Re: mail-followup-to standard....

2001-12-04 Thread Josh Huber
Will Yardley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > yes. this seems like kind of a bad idea to me, and something best > left to MUAs - even if they are slow to adopt this, it seems as if > enforcing this in an MTA might cause some problems. for instance if > i set the 'Reply-To' header to my address, bu

Re: mail-followup-to standard....

2001-12-04 Thread Will Yardley
Cedric Duval wrote: > > Even less "official" than the above draft, there is > > http://cr.yp.to/proto/replyto.html > > which gives some arguments about why implementing MFT. yeah i noticed this one as well, although given the author i decided not to mention it (although it does make some

Re: mail-followup-to standard....

2001-12-04 Thread Cedric Duval
> > > >http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/98dec/I-D/draft-ietf-drums-mail-followup-to-00.txt > > There are many RFC's in use as "standards" that never got beyond being > > draft standards "officially" I believe. > well their point seems to be that since it doesn't appear in rfc 2822, > it's likely

Re: mail-followup-to standard....

2001-12-04 Thread Will Yardley
Cliff Sarginson wrote: > On Mon, Dec 03, 2001 at 10:21:38PM -0800, Will Yardley wrote: > > the only quasi-official reference i've been able to find on the > > Mail-Followup-To header is: > > > > http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/98dec/I-D/draft-ietf-drums-mail-followup-to-00.txt > There are many

Re: mail-followup-to standard....

2001-12-04 Thread Cliff Sarginson
On Mon, Dec 03, 2001 at 10:21:38PM -0800, Will Yardley wrote: > the only quasi-official reference i've been able to find on the > Mail-Followup-To header is: > > http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/98dec/I-D/draft-ietf-drums-mail-followup-to-00.txt > > while i think that this becoming standard would

Re: Mail-Followup-To

2001-11-30 Thread Josh Huber
Samuel Padgett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I always figured that, if it really annoys them, they should switch > to an MUA that generates a Mail-Followup-To header (like Mutt) or -or Gnus- :) > one that handles duplicates really well (like

Re: Mail-Followup-To

2001-11-30 Thread Samuel Padgett
Thomas Hurst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > * Samuel Padgett ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > > But won't people who aren't subscribed to the lists not receive your > > messages? > > A rare special case, especially since the majority of the lists I'm > on don't even allow external posts. I subscr

Re: Mail-Followup-To

2001-11-30 Thread Thorsten Haude
Hi, * Thomas Hurst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [01-11-30 16:08]: >I wouldn't mind if mutt scanned the thread for Mail-Followup-To: headers >and Cc:'d anyone who had it set to their address explicitly. If people >off-list do this then, they get the message, but people on the list >don't get dupes. It doe

Re: Mail-Followup-To

2001-11-30 Thread Owner of many system processes
Thomas Hurst wrote: > > I wouldn't mind if mutt scanned the thread for Mail-Followup-To: > headers and Cc:'d anyone who had it set to their address explicitly. > If people off-list do this then, they get the message, but people on > the list don't get dupes. i'm confused , and all already

Re: Mail-Followup-To

2001-11-30 Thread Thomas Hurst
* Dairy Wall Limey ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > Thomas Hurst wrote: > > * Samuel Padgett ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > > But won't people who aren't subscribed to the lists not receive > > > your messages? > > > > A rare special case, especially since the majority of the lists I'm > > on don't e

Re: Mail-Followup-To

2001-11-30 Thread Thorsten Haude
Hi, * Thomas Hurst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [01-11-30 00:21]: >* Thorsten Haude ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: >> Yeah, the basic brain-dead-mailer-problem and its reply-to-munging or >> group-reply answer. Fortunately, there's Mutt. I use group-reply about >> once a year. >I have 'r' rebound to list-repl

Re: Mail-Followup-To

2001-11-29 Thread Dairy Wall Limey
Thomas Hurst wrote: > * Samuel Padgett ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > Thomas Hurst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > I have 'r' rebound to list-reply for all my mailing lists (bar one > > > broken one). Nice having a MUA this flexible, means all the lists > > > that use (or don't use) Reply-To:

Re: Mail-Followup-To

2001-11-29 Thread Thomas Hurst
* Samuel Padgett ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > Thomas Hurst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > I have 'r' rebound to list-reply for all my mailing lists (bar one > > broken one). Nice having a MUA this flexible, means all the lists > > that use (or don't use) Reply-To: act the same :) > > But won'

Re: Mail-Followup-To

2001-11-29 Thread Samuel Padgett
Thomas Hurst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > * Thorsten Haude ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > > Yeah, the basic brain-dead-mailer-problem and its reply-to-munging or > > group-reply answer. Fortunately, there's Mutt. I use group-reply about > > once a year. > > I have 'r' rebound to list-reply for

Re: Mail-Followup-To

2001-11-29 Thread Josh Huber
Dairy Wall Limey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > in any event, looks like i'm SOL here. Gnus honors the MFT header. Recent cvs gnus also generates it. But, if you're dealing with pine users, chances are there aren't any (many?) Gnus users in the mix... ttyl, -- Josh Huber

Re: Mail-Followup-To

2001-11-29 Thread Thomas Hurst
* Thorsten Haude ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > Yeah, the basic brain-dead-mailer-problem and its reply-to-munging or > group-reply answer. Fortunately, there's Mutt. I use group-reply about > once a year. I have 'r' rebound to list-reply for all my mailing lists (bar one broken one). Nice having

Re: Mail-Followup-To

2001-11-29 Thread Thorsten Haude
Moin, * Dairy Wall Limey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [01-11-29 20:58]: >Thorsten Haude wrote: >> Yeah, the basic brain-dead-mailer-problem and its reply-to-munging or >> group-reply answer. Fortunately, there's Mutt. I use group-reply about >> once a year. >> I don't know why I didn't get it the first ti

Re: Mail-Followup-To

2001-11-29 Thread Dairy Wall Limey
Thorsten Haude wrote: > Yeah, the basic brain-dead-mailer-problem and its reply-to-munging or > group-reply answer. Fortunately, there's Mutt. I use group-reply about > once a year. > I don't know why I didn't get it the first time. > > Dairy, you could set the Reply-To header, this is more wide

Re: Mail-Followup-To

2001-11-29 Thread Thorsten Haude
Moin, * David T-G <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [01-11-29 16:32]: >% I don't know why I didn't get it the first time. >Probably because you're used to using mutt ;-) Not really, I let myself slip into a pretty heated discussion about Reply-To munging in another mailing list once. But yes, Mutt make it easy

Re: Mail-Followup-To

2001-11-29 Thread David T-G
Thorsten, et al -- ...and then Thorsten Haude said... % Hi, % % * David T-G <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [01-11-29 14:19]: % >...and then Thorsten Haude said... % >Hello! BTW, I only just noticed your clever domain name -- cool! :-) % Imagine my frustration when I learned that 'hau.de' was gone. % [EMAI

Re: Mail-Followup-To

2001-11-29 Thread Thorsten Haude
Hi, * David T-G <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [01-11-29 14:19]: >...and then Thorsten Haude said... >Hello! BTW, I only just noticed your clever domain name -- cool! :-) Imagine my frustration when I learned that 'hau.de' was gone. [EMAIL PROTECTED] would have been even better. >% * Dairy Wall Limey <[EM

Re: Mail-Followup-To

2001-11-29 Thread David T-G
Thorsten -- ...and then Thorsten Haude said... % Hi, Hello! BTW, I only just noticed your clever domain name -- cool! :-) % % * Dairy Wall Limey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [01-11-29 01:11]: % >i don't want to have to start using unique addresses for internal lists % >too, but it messes up my organi

Re: Mail-Followup-To

2001-11-29 Thread Thorsten Haude
Hi, * Dairy Wall Limey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [01-11-29 01:11]: >i don't want to have to start using unique addresses for internal lists >too, but it messes up my organization when list messages get in my inbox >(due to use of 'reply-all'). I don't understand the problem. Could you elaborate? Thors

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