On 16 Jan 2000, Kirrily 'Skud' Robert wrote:
> > I like the solution of the VA Linux web team: use webgoddess.
> > Mistress, at least in the US, carries a connotation of dominatrix.
>
> And what's the problem with that? :)
It leaves their coworkers with, um, "unrealistic expectations." :)
--
On Sun, 16 Jan 2000, Jenn V. wrote:
> WHY are there no pockets in women's clothes? Are we assumed to not want to
> carry things?
The conclusion was based on the two following premises/prejudices/stereotypes:
1) Women carry so much things that they need to have purses.
2) A person with a purse ha
> Men's clothing is so _boring_. A dress every now and then would liven
> things up, methinks.
Kilts are pretty comfortable, but they do get kinda cold around the nether regions
sometimes ;-)
Ian.
#ifndef __COMMON_SENSE__ | Ian Phillips
#include | TIBCO Software Inc.
#endif
On Sun, 16 Jan 2000 05:14:29 -0500
Kelly Lynn Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Heh. All of my skirts have at least two pockets. Guess I buy stuff
> in the wrong places.
My skirts usually don't have pockets... but my suit jackets do. Thank
god for them too, I'd probably have lost all sorts o
On 16 Jan 2000 06:53:40 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Kirrily 'Skud' Robert) said:
>I'm with you on that one. It's not just dresses either... womens
>jackets and trousers often don't have pockets in them at all, let
>alone numerous or capacious ones.
Heh. All of my skirts have at least two pockets.
On Sun, Jan 16, 2000 at 06:52:39PM +1100 or thereabouts, Jenn V. wrote:
> Kirrily 'Skud' Robert wrote:
> >
> > I'm with you on that one. It's not just dresses either... womens
> > jackets and trousers often don't have pockets in them at all, let alone
> > numerous or capacious ones.
>
> WHY are
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Jenn V. wrote:
>
>WHY are there no pockets in women's clothes? Are we assumed to not want to
>carry things?
1) carrying things is unfeminine. Probably looks as though we *do*
things, rather than sitting around daintily. Can't have that.
2) pockets ruin the line
Kirrily 'Skud' Robert wrote:
>
> I'm with you on that one. It's not just dresses either... womens
> jackets and trousers often don't have pockets in them at all, let alone
> numerous or capacious ones.
>
> Feh.
Absolutely! My favourite jacket would be much more favoured if it had a
pocket I co
In article <016001bf5ef7$31e6b700$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Dan McGarry wrote:
>>
>> Men's clothing is so _boring_. A dress every now and then would liven
>> things up, methinks.
>
>As soon as they make one with lots of pockets, I'm there.
I'm with you on that one. It's not just dresses either... wom
Deirdre Saoirse wrote:
>On 13 Jan 2000, Kirrily 'Skud' Robert wrote:
>
>> Speaking of websites, I used to be "webmaster" for an ISP. I asked my
>> boss permission to set up aliases for either "webadmin" or "webmistress"
>> and use them, but was told that I wasn't to do it. So I ended up
>> getti
> > >Most women nowadays never weres dresses anymore, but it can be
> > >confortable sometimes. I'd rather have people of both sexes wear
> > >dresses than having it banned altogether.
> >
> > Men's clothing is so _boring_. A dress every now and then would liven
> > things up, methinks.
>
> As
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To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2000 11:00 PM
Subject: Re: [issues] Re: Demographics - Reprise
> On Fri, 14 Jan 2000 03:26:40 +0100, Sunnanvind <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
said:
>
>
On Fri, 14 Jan 2000, Nils Philippsen wrote:
> On Thu, 13 Jan 2000, Cat wrote:
> So what would you like? "Its" wouldn't be nice to both genders, I suppose.
> But inventing a "fourth" gender which means both real genders isn't
> feasible, too? You would confuse us non-native English speakers and we'
On Fri, 14 Jan 2000 00:49:54 +0100 (CET), Nils Philippsen
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
>So what would you like? "Its" wouldn't be nice to both genders, I
>suppose. But inventing a "fourth" gender which means both real
>genders isn't feasible, too? You would confuse us non-native English
>speakers
On Thu, 13 Jan 2000, Cat wrote:
>
> On this topic of -ess endings, interestingly enough Miss Manners had
> something to say about it in her most recent column. I actually agree
> with some of her points -- what do you all think?
>
> http://search.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/WPlate/2000-01/12/146
On Thu, 13 Jan 2000 21:53:42 -0500 (EST), Cat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
>Just a quick clarification -- in my operating systems course, every
>reference *in our textbook* was she and her. Oops!
Several textbook authors have gone to this, or to alternating between
male and female pronouns. I hav
On Fri, 14 Jan 2000 03:26:40 +0100, Sunnanvind <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
>Most women nowadays never weres dresses anymore, but it can be
>confortable sometimes. I'd rather have people of both sexes wear
>dresses than having it banned altogether.
Men's clothing is so _boring_. A dress every now
On Fri, 14 Jan 2000, Sunnanvind wrote:
> On Thu, 13 Jan 2000, Cat wrote:
> > I mean, isn't taking the male word as the neuter word doing the
> > same thing as using mankind vs humankind? I personally dislike the fact
> > that 'he' and 'his' are supposed to be used when referring to a possible
>
On Thu, 13 Jan 2000, Cat wrote:
> I mean, isn't taking the male word as the neuter word doing the
> same thing as using mankind vs humankind? I personally dislike the fact
> that 'he' and 'his' are supposed to be used when referring to a possible
> person of either gender. I really enjoyed my op
On Thu, 13 Jan 2000, Michelle Peglar wrote:
> So anyway, I think just drop the -ess words. A woman or a man - the person
> is still a priest. Or an actor. Or a waiter. Or a firefighter. Or a
> doctor. Or a nurse. Hey that brings up another point. There are no
> Doctoress'! I wonder why no
On Thu, 13 Jan 2000, Deirdre Saoirse wrote:
> On 13 Jan 2000, Kirrily 'Skud' Robert wrote:
>
> > Speaking of websites, I used to be "webmaster" for an ISP. I asked my
> > boss permission to set up aliases for either "webadmin" or "webmistress"
> > and use them, but was told that I wasn't to do
On this topic of -ess endings, interestingly enough Miss Manners had
something to say about it in her most recent column. I actually agree
with some of her points -- what do you all think?
http://search.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/WPlate/2000-01/12/146l-011200-idx.html
I mean, isn't taking the m
On 13 Jan 2000, Kirrily 'Skud' Robert wrote:
> Speaking of websites, I used to be "webmaster" for an ISP. I asked my
> boss permission to set up aliases for either "webadmin" or "webmistress"
> and use them, but was told that I wasn't to do it. So I ended up
> getting an awful lot of webmaster
Sunnanvind wrote:
>
> On Thu, 13 Jan 2000, Michelle Peglar wrote:
> > I'm personally in favour of the webadmin idea. I don't really see a need
> > for gender specific language in any job title or generic name.. It's one
> > of my personal soap box topics - I think we should all get rid of usin
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> Hmm. I could be wrong, but I think one person is talking about CVs
> (curriculum vitae) and another is talking about CVS (Concurrent Versions
> System). CVs are what we in the U.S. call resumes (imagine accents in the
> apporpriate places). CVS is a source control/c
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> -Original Message-
> From: Sunnanvind [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Thursday, 13 January 2000 22:05
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: [issues] Re: Demographics - Reprise
>
>
> On Thu, 13 Jan 200
At 02:22 PM 1/13/00 -0500, Sunnan wrote:
>On Thu, 13 Jan 2000, Michelle Peglar wrote:
> > of my personal soap box topics - I think we should all get rid of using
> > gender specific language when referring to something or someone that could
> > possibly be male or female.
>
>I disagree - imagine
At 01:57 AM 01/13/2000 GMT, you wrote:
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Emily Cartier
wrote:
>
>I'd actually point towards reading lots as the determining factor.
>The encouragement of intellectualism and access to a decent library
>(public or school library, whatever) seems to make people think
On Thu, 13 Jan 2000, Michelle Peglar wrote:
> I'm personally in favour of the webadmin idea. I don't really see a need
> for gender specific language in any job title or generic name.. It's one
> of my personal soap box topics - I think we should all get rid of using
> gender specific language
Kirrily 'Skud' Robert wrote:
> I'd actually point towards reading lots as the determining factor.
> The encouragement of intellectualism and access to a decent library
> (public or school library, whatever) seems to make people think for
> themselves about this kind of thing. There's a correlati
Dan McGarry wrote:
> Aside from my efforts to get the word out through less formal means, our
> search has been conducted through agencies. So far, I've seen one woman's
> resume out of a couple of dozen. I'm certain there are more women than just
> this one who would be suitable candidates, and
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> Speaking of websites, I used to
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Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2000 2:36 PM
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> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >
> > Dan McGarry wrote:
> >
> > > La
Title: RE: [issues] Re: Demographics - Reprise
> Speaking of websites, I used to be "webmaster" for an ISP. I asked my
> boss permission to set up aliases for either "webadmin" or
> "webmistress"
> and use them, but was told that I wasn't to
.
Personally, I think the idea of having a repository of code written by women
would be a really cool idea.
Jen
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> &
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Emily Cartier wrote:
>
>This doesn't make any sense. One of my jobs is work in a small business.
>I answer the phone, do catalog design, and manage the website. I have
Speaking of websites, I used to be "webmaster" for an ISP. I asked my
boss permission to set up
> > > Lastly, it occurs to me that a repository of technical women's CVs hosted,
> > > say, by LinuxChix would be a very valuable asset to my company and a great
> > > many others. Does such a resource exist? If not, would others be interested
> > > in building one?
> We're not, but we certainly c
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> Dan McGarry wrote:
> >
>
> > Lastly, it occurs to me that a repository of technical women's CVs hosted,
> > say, by LinuxChix would be a very valuable asset to my company and a great
> > many others. Does such a resource exist? If not, would others be interested
> >
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> If you can't tell I am *still* steamed about this -- especially since I
> figure eigth grade girls and boys are *still* faced with that same
> ridiculous and sexist choice. It was required to take one or the
> It's much easier if you go through a recruiter, but recognize that most
> recruiters won't work with you on it. Some will not really understand how
> important it is. Don't take it for granted. Ask. If you feel strongly
> about using non-MS, say so. Say that you'd be happy to work with them if
>
Dan McGarry wrote:
>
> Lastly, it occurs to me that a repository of technical women's CVs hosted,
> say, by LinuxChix would be a very valuable asset to my company and a great
> many others. Does such a resource exist? If not, would others be interested
> in building one?
I'm pretty sure one of
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To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2000 6:50 PM
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> On Tue, 11 Jan 2000 18:15:34 -0500, "Dan McGarry"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
On Tue, 11 Jan 2000 18:15:34 -0500, "Dan McGarry" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
>A quick way is to read the HTTP response headers from their
>website. If it says 'Apache' (or suchlike) in there anywhere, you'll
>know it's safe to talk to them.
There is an NT version of Apache. :)
Kelly
**
On Tue, 11 Jan 2000, srl wrote:
> so, does anyone out there have recommendations on how to find out whether
> a company/employer is MS-centric, *before* the interviews? and how to ask
> a question more diplomatic than, "you don't actually use
> [MS-Exchange|NT|IIS], do you?"
It's much easier if
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> so, does anyone out there have recommendations on how to find out whether
> a company/employer is M
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Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2000 3:33 PM
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> Hi, Dan,
>
> > We need someone who has a strong sympathy for the human factors
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From: Jenn V. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, January 10, 2000 6:10 PM
Subject: Re: [issues] Re: Demographics - Reprise
> Heh. Are we saying here that men are more willing to accept bad treatment
> than women are?
>
>
so, does anyone out there have recommendations on how to find out whether
a company/employer is MS-centric, *before* the interviews? and how to ask
a question more diplomatic than, "you don't actually use
[MS-Exchange|NT|IIS], do you?"
Ho
On Tue, 11 Jan 2000, Caitlyn M. Martin wrote:
> Caity
> (still disgusted a year later that her job turned out to be MS-centric, which
> it wasn't supposed to be)
so, does anyone out there have recommendations on how to find out whether
a company/employer is MS-centric, *before* the interviews? a
Hi, Dan,
> We need someone who has a strong sympathy for the human factors, whose
> intelligence isn't limited to the world of bits, but who can go there when
> they need to. I'm really not looking for a skill-set so much as someone with
> a hunger to learn the tools required to bring context and
On Tue, 11 Jan 2000, Emily Cartier wrote:
> Deirdre Saoirse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > On Sat, 8 Jan 2000, Emily Cartier wrote:
> > > Yes. See the history of SF. See the history of SFWA. There have *always*
> > > been women involved in writing SF, no matter how sexist the publishers
> > >
On Tue, 11 Jan 2000 10:07:26 +1100
"Jenn V." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Or is there a double standard?
Yes
Emily
[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linuxchix.org
On Mon, 10 Jan 2000 17:10:25 -0500
"Caitlyn Martin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi,
> >
> > Because those who were being published, like James Triptree Jr. and C.L.
> > Moore, were not widely known to be female.
>
> ...and C.J. Cherryh, Andre Norton, and so on...
>
> OTOH, how could he argue
On Mon, 10 Jan 2000 13:42:34 -0800 (PST)
Deirdre Saoirse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Sat, 8 Jan 2000, Emily Cartier wrote:
> > Yes. See the history of SF. See the history of SFWA. There have *always*
> > been women involved in writing SF, no matter how sexist the publishers
> > and other aut
On Mon, 10 Jan 2000 16:11:01 -0800 (PST)
Deirdre Saoirse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The only one of those four I can stand is Kate Wilhelm but only because
> she wrote "I Know What You're Thinking," easily one of my favorite
> stories.
>
> Ah well. :)
>
> I'm a Lois McMaster Bujold fan myself.
On Fri, 7 Jan 2000 14:41:26 -0500
Robert Kiesling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I don't think it's a question of "respect" and "sexism." I think more
> appropriate words would be "abuse," and "repression." If you're in
> the upper strata of the U.S. economy, you're going to view these
> limitatio
On Tue, 11 Jan 2000, Jenn V. wrote:
> Deirdre Saoirse wrote:
> > So, I guess what I'm asserting is that, while paying women the same for
> > the same job would be a start, it wouldn't GET or KEEP the women there as
> > a whole, particularly if they're not treated well.
>
> Heh. Are we saying he
On Mon, 10 Jan 2000, Caitlyn Martin wrote:
> OTOH, how could he argue that Ursula K. Leguin, Zenna Henderson, Vonda
> McIntyre, or Kate Wilhelm can't write good science fiction? How many Hugos
> and Nebulas do they have between them? Zenna Henderson's "Pilgrimmage" is
> still one of my all time
Cat:
> If you can't tell I am *still* steamed about this -- especially since I
> figure eigth grade girls and boys are *still* faced with that same
> ridiculous and sexist choice. It was required to take one or the other
> when I was there -- can you imagine?
I went to the usual Norwegian co-ed
Kelly Lynn Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Sun, 9 Jan 2000 12:38:52 -0500, Robert Kiesling
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
>
> >Not really. You might consider the magnitude and severity of
> >discrimination. I think that may be due to the shortsightedness of
> >the Framers of the Constitut
Deirdre Saoirse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> More to the point, in the US, never-married women have salaries that are
> close to those of men's. However, after marriage the picture changes
> radically.
To put this into some perspective, in my former marraige(s), we
weren't working in profession
Deirdre Saoirse wrote:
>
> My point in listing this (other than personal embarrasment I suppose )
> is to demonstrate my point: I left primarily for quality-of-life issues.
> In one case, it had nothing to do with the job itself. I really really
> love the company. I would work for them again in
Kathleen Weaver wrote:
>
> >> Tell me when a suitable candidate has run for president?
> >
> >Well, how about we start with Vice-President? Geraldine Ferraro.
>
> I think we said suitable. Wasn't there a major skelton in her closet --
> something to do with her husband?
And there were no ske
Kirrily 'Skud' Robert wrote:
>
> Deirdre Saoirse wrote:
> >
> >Playing Devil's Advocate:
> >
> >Women ARE several times more likely to quit jobs than men for a variety of
> >reasons
> 4) allow flex time, childcare etc (which would benefit any childcarer,
> and flex time would benefit non-child
Hi,
>
> Because those who were being published, like James Triptree Jr. and C.L.
> Moore, were not widely known to be female.
...and C.J. Cherryh, Andre Norton, and so on...
OTOH, how could he argue that Ursula K. Leguin, Zenna Henderson, Vonda
McIntyre, or Kate Wilhelm can't write good science
At 12:53 PM 01/10/2000 GMT, you wrote:
>
>
>>"Skeletons in the closet" have nothing to do with ability to serve,
>>though. The fact that they reflect on ability to be elected is a
>>strong condemnation of the American electoral process.
>
>
>I must strongly disagreeskeletons are an indication
On Sat, 8 Jan 2000, Emily Cartier wrote:
> > Really You mean if a guy is sexist, doesn't take women
> > seriously, and doesn't hire them for top positions, women can get in
> > anyway? Hmmm... when did this happen?
>
> Yes. See the history of SF. See the history of SFWA. There have *alway
On Fri, 7 Jan 2000, J B wrote:
> To quote CarlinColin Powell is openly white, but he happens to be black.
Heh.
> General Powell would probably be a very good President. Also, I believe
> that Hillary CLinton is priming herself to run for President. (Not sure if
> I would vote for her or
On Mon, 10 Jan 2000, J B wrote:
> Marital infidelity...there has never been a
> President who did not have a mistress or three.
..which is, of course, an indicator of sexism in our society imho.
--
_Deirdre * http://www.linuxcabal.net * http://www.deirdre.net
"Mars has been a tough ta
On Mon, 10 Jan 2000, Kelly Lynn Martin wrote:
> It depends on the skeleton. A lot of the time, the "skeletons" are
> matters that are quite irrelevant to the individual's ability to lead.
Let's just say that the objections over Geraldine Ferraro could easily
have been applied to, oh, Clinton. B
>It depends on the skeleton. A lot of the time, the "skeletons" are
>matters that are quite irrelevant to the individual's ability to >lead.
True...there are certain levels of indescretion that have absolutely no
bearing...but certain things DO have a bearing. Drug use, unless it is
current
On Mon, 10 Jan 2000 12:53:37 GMT, "J B" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
>I must strongly disagreeskeletons are an indication of true
>morals and ideals of a candidate. Would you want a person who
>embezzled millions of dollars from a company as "leader of the free
>world"? Politics has no place f
>"Skeletons in the closet" have nothing to do with ability to serve,
>though. The fact that they reflect on ability to be elected is a
>strong condemnation of the American electoral process.
I must strongly disagreeskeletons are an indication of true morals and
ideals of a candidate. Wo
Deirdre Saoirse wrote:
>
> On Wed, 5 Jan 2000, Caitlyn Martin wrote:
>
> > Let me give an example. About a year and a half ago, when I was with
> > Interpath, there was a programmer who I was pretty friendly with. He
> > is intelligent, talented, and certainly treated the women there with
> >
On Sun, 09 Jan 2000 20:33:36 -0600, "Kathleen Weaver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
>I think we said suitable. Wasn't there a major skelton in her closet --
>something to do with her husband?
"Skeletons in the closet" have nothing to do with ability to serve,
though. The fact that they reflect on
On 10 Jan 2000, Kirrily 'Skud' Robert wrote:
> Deirdre Saoirse wrote:
> >Women ARE several times more likely to quit jobs than men for a variety of
> >reasons, some of which have to do with childrearing and some which do not.
> >Given that the costs of replacing someone in a position are high and
Deirdre Saoirse wrote:
>
>Playing Devil's Advocate:
>
>Women ARE several times more likely to quit jobs than men for a variety of
>reasons, some of which have to do with childrearing and some which do not.
>Given that the costs of replacing someone in a position are high and the
>expected tenure i
>> Tell me when a suitable candidate has run for president?
>
>Well, how about we start with Vice-President? Geraldine Ferraro.
I think we said suitable. Wasn't there a major skelton in her closet --
something to do with her husband?
>Let's just say I'll believe there's no racism or sexism prob
>> Don't worry, they've done away with shop in most schools, and put both
>> girls and boys in "Home Ec". I have forgotten the latest publically
>> correct title for Home Ec. I think Domestic Science is what they said
>> the other day.
>
>
>Yes, after all, it would be appallingly helpful to actu
On Thu, 6 Jan 2000, J B wrote:
> Tell me when a suitable candidate has run for president?
Well, how about we start with Vice-President? Geraldine Ferraro.
> If a female ran for president, and was either the most qualified or had
> the best stand on the issues, I would vote for her. Is rascism
On Thu, 6 Jan 2000, J B wrote:
> But isn't the whole point that the fields have to be attractive to more
> women? Currently, if a woman wants to be in any field, and is of the
> proper mindset, there is nothing that will keep her out...not sexism,
> not low pay, not anything
Point in case:
On Sun, 9 Jan 2000, Kathleen Weaver wrote:
> Don't worry, they've done away with shop in most schools, and put both
> girls and boys in "Home Ec". I have forgotten the latest publically
> correct title for Home Ec. I think Domestic Science is what they said
> the other day.
Yes, after all, it
On Sun, 9 Jan 2000, Chris J/#6 wrote:
> No offense to the States, but, I knew there was a reason I wasn't a big
> fan of the place - it's seems a back-to-front country ...from this side
> of the pond, things are a lot more equal in school.
Well duh! You have, after all, had a female prime minist
On Sat, 8 Jan 2000, Cat wrote:
> Ah, but I (as a 23-year-old who was in eighth grade in the late 80's)
> remember very well a choice between taking shop or taking home ec. My
> counselor asked me "are you sure? are you *really* sure?" when I insisted
> I wanted to take shop. I was one of two gi
On Wed, 5 Jan 2000, Caitlyn Martin wrote:
> Let me give an example. About a year and a half ago, when I was with
> Interpath, there was a programmer who I was pretty friendly with. He
> is intelligent, talented, and certainly treated the women there with
> respect. I was shocked when he argued
On Sun, 9 Jan 2000 12:38:52 -0500, Robert Kiesling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
said:
>Not really. You might consider the magnitude and severity of
>discrimination. I think that may be due to the shortsightedness of
>the Framers of the Constitution. They couldn't possibly have forseen
>every cultural
Re: Herding of girls and boys into their respective "appropriate" classes by
schools
Well, I can't speak for the rest of the country, but it seems perhaps I
should be glad to live when and where I do. I'm 19, and live in northern
New Jersey in the New York City suburbs. Our public middle school
Kelly Lynn Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> (This is starting to drift off topic.)
Not really. You might consider the magnitude and severity of
discrimination. I think that may be due to the shortsightedness of
the Framers of the Constitution. They couldn't possibly have forseen
every cul
>If you can't tell I am *still* steamed about this -- especially since I
>figure eigth grade girls and boys are *still* faced with that same
>ridiculous and sexist choice. It was required to take one or the other
>when I was there -- can you imagine?
Don't worry, they've done away with shop in m
On Sun, 9 Jan 2000 09:37:15 -0500, Robert Kiesling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
said:
>There have, but most of the suits don't get much publicity. School
>districts also get sued for things like censorship because of what
>students write in student newspapers, slogans on their clothing, lack
>of clothin
"Chris J/#6" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Out of interest, has a school in the US been sued for breach of equal
> oppertunities, or similar, based on this sort of discrimination? Though that
> said, its maybe not the best way of resolving this sort of thing (removing
> much needed cash from t
At 11:03 PM 01/08/2000 -0500, Cat wrote:
>
>Ah, but I (as a 23-year-old who was in eighth grade in the late 80's)
>remember very well a choice between taking shop or taking home ec
> Even the smallest, wimpiest boy would have been 50 times
>more welcome and encouraged in the shop class.
>
>I
> On Sat, 8 Jan 2000, Cat wrote:
>
> > > for coke and pizza. I thought the math and science teachers were
> > > jerks, took as much English and art shop classes as I could (we got to
> > > make things), skipped phy ed as often as possible, (oh, yes, and
> > > learned German), and stayed home an
At 09:47 PM 1/8/00 , Jenn V. wrote:
>Cat wrote:
> > To me, that experience was exactly the sort of thing that women are
> > talking about when they talk about the fact that even though
> > certain opportunities seem to exist, in a significant way they don't.
> > Wow, I really *am* riled about this
Cat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Sat, 8 Jan 2000, Cat wrote:
>
> > > for coke and pizza. I thought the math and science teachers were
> > > jerks, took as much English and art shop classes as I could (we got to
> > > make things), skipped phy ed as often as possible, (oh, yes, and
> > > lea
Cat wrote:
> On Sun, 9 Jan 2000, Jenn V. wrote:
> Wow -- so there has been progress! ;-)
>
> To me, that experience was exactly the sort of thing that women are
> talking about when they talk about the fact that even though
> certain opportunities seem to exist, in a significant way they don't.
Cat wrote:
>The teacher (male) said, "Well, good morning and welcome gentlemen -- oh,
>and ladies?"
Extremely common, everywhere from schools to open source conferences. I
just so love being an afterthought, don't you?
K.
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On Sun, 9 Jan 2000, Jenn V. wrote:
>
>
> Cat wrote:
> >
> > Ah, but I (as a 23-year-old who was in eighth grade in the late 80's)
> > remember very well a choice between taking shop or taking home ec.
>
> You had a choice? Wow. We didn't. Home ec it was, if you had
> inward-pointing genitali
Cat wrote:
>
> Ah, but I (as a 23-year-old who was in eighth grade in the late 80's)
> remember very well a choice between taking shop or taking home ec.
You had a choice? Wow. We didn't. Home ec it was, if you had
inward-pointing genitalia. Shop if it pointed out.
Jenn V.
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On Sat, 8 Jan 2000, Cat wrote:
> > for coke and pizza. I thought the math and science teachers were
> > jerks, took as much English and art shop classes as I could (we got to
> > make things), skipped phy ed as often as possible, (oh, yes, and
> > learned German), and stayed home and read. Very
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