On Wed, 20 Oct 1999, Brendan/Coolian wrote:
> I guess I've lived a limited life.
That wasn't exactly my point
> Those should be categorized under adult for anything involving unclad
> bodies...Lump it into the Adult category, and then subdivide for
> "scantily-clad, nude, sex"
see, I don
On Wed, 20 Oct 1999 23:27:19 -0400, Brendan/Coolian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
>>I don't buy this. The privilege of degrading women is something
>>that men are taught they have from an early age, not something which
>>men have no choice but to do as a consequence of their genes.
>Amazing that yo
> > Man, some people are as boring as a quilting circle. Just categorize the
>
>You've obviously never been to some of the quilting cirlce's I've been
I guess I've lived a limited life.
> > damn themesNo one can take exception to seeing anything they don't
> want
> > to see then. Issue c
> >uhm, not that this issue isn't fascinating, but is it really that
> >relevant to this mailing list? it's gotten very far away from
> >anything Linux-related.
>
>I think it's clearly related to the issue of sexism in Linux
>development circles, which I thought was a major reason for
>LinuxChix.
>Actually, for a lot of women (and probably a good number of men) a
>quilting circle is not boring in the least. In this discussion
>particularly, I would think it wise to choose your expressions carefully.
Not really...I am treating this discussion like I would any other, with
ease, not stres
> >Is this a new idea? You get the impression because it's a fact. Men
> >are built this way, it's the whole nature thing.
>
>I don't buy this. The privilege of degrading women is something that
>men are taught they have from an early age, not something which men
>have no choice but to do as a
>See that's the great thing about the world. Your idea of tasteful is
>obviously different from mine. I think that's funny as hell. You obviously
>don't :)
I can see the humor...tasteful? Maybe not to me, but the guy/girl who
posted it obviously liked it. Besides, women in scrawny Linux swims
On Wed, 20 Oct 1999 22:30:44 -0400 (EDT), Ingrid Schupbach <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
>I too attend law school, and I too believe freedom of speech is
>incredibly important. But I'm also in favor of speaking out when
>others are being hurtful and thoughtless.
Well, the "free speech market" dep
On Wed, 20 Oct 1999, Brendan/Coolian wrote:
> Man, some people are as boring as a quilting circle.
Actually, for a lot of women (and probably a good number of men) a
quilting circle is not boring in the least. In this discussion
particularly, I would think it wise to choose your expressions c
On Wed, 20 Oct 1999, Kelly Lynn Martin wrote:
> On Wed, 20 Oct 1999 11:34:26 -0600 (MDT), Sio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
>
> >As a woman, I still really enjoy looking at pretty people. Male AND
> >female. Not to mention, when I go to themes.org to look for a theme,
> >I am looking at the THEME,
On Wed, 20 Oct 1999 17:24:01 -0400, Brendan/Coolian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
>Is this a new idea? You get the impression because it's a fact. Men
>are built this way, it's the whole nature thing.
I don't buy this. The privilege of degrading women is something that
men are taught they have
On Wed, 20 Oct 1999 17:44:08 -0400, "Rikki McGinty" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
>uhm, not that this issue isn't fascinating, but is it really that
>relevant to this mailing list? it's gotten very far away from
>anything Linux-related.
I think it's clearly related to the issue of sexism in Linux
de
On Wed, 20 Oct 1999, Brendan/Coolian wrote:
> Man, some people are as boring as a quilting circle. Just categorize the
You've obviously never been to some of the quilting cirlce's I've been
> damn themesNo one can take exception to seeing anything they don't want
> to see then. Issue cl
On Wed, 20 Oct 1999 16:08:18 -0400, Deb Richardson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
>"I may disagree with what you have to say, but I shall defend, to the
>death, your right to say it."
I believe this is the correct version.
The principle behind this statement is a large part of why I want to
become
On Wed, 20 Oct 1999, Laurel Fan wrote:
> Hm. I haven't really noticed this, but it might just be because I don't
> look for themes, and don't often view screenshots. So I decided to do a
> little unscientific experiment.
what struck me is that every time I wander over there (which is rarely)
On Wed, 20 Oct 1999 11:34:26 -0600 (MDT), Sio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
>As a woman, I still really enjoy looking at pretty people. Male AND
>female. Not to mention, when I go to themes.org to look for a theme,
>I am looking at the THEME, not the pics that people have in their
>screenshots.
Ther
Hm. I haven't really noticed this, but it might just be because I don't
look for themes, and don't often view screenshots. So I decided to do a
little unscientific experiment.
I took a look at some of the screenshots in e.themes.org. I chose E
because it's probably the most excessively graphic
On Wed, 20 Oct 1999, Rikki McGinty wrote:
> uhm, not that this issue isn't fascinating, but is it really that relevant
> to this mailing list? it's gotten very far away from anything Linux-related.
hmm..the issues list is for issues related to linux and being women in the
boys club, so I think w
>impression that men are more interested in me for my body than for what I
>actually know about computers or networking.
Is this a new idea? You get the impression because it's a fact.
Men are built this way, it's the whole nature thing. But, some of us can
be "retaught" with newer, more upd
>It's not that -- someone want to make some (non-adult, preferably, as
>that's my area of most annoyance) themes, make some screenshots with
>windows containing semi-naked males and see what happens?
I could dig that. Although not anything besides hetero (I know, boring) I
can fully appreciate
>There's a difference between bringing up 'maybe it would be better to
>*not* include scantily clad women in your screenshots' and 'you will go to
>jail if you put scantily clad women in your screenshots'
Man, some people are as boring as a quilting circle. Just categorize the
damn themesN
On Wed, 20 Oct 1999, Brendan/Coolian wrote:
> Besides, define 'adult'.
Well, I believe we already have a working definition, since we have
'adult' themes like we have 'SF' themes, etc..
If you like, we can define the particular pictures *I* am going off about
right now, we can say something a
uhm, not that this issue isn't fascinating, but is it really that relevant
to this mailing list? it's gotten very far away from anything Linux-related.
Rikki
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On
> Behalf Of Brendan/Coolian
> Sent: Wednesday, October
Hi, Vinnie and everyone else,
>
> It sure can't be changed if no one tries.
>
Yep, and when we try, want to bet we get a pretty hostile response, akin to
what the articles on ZDNet and Slashdot about LinuxChix got, or far worse?
What I find, when it comes to issues like this (and sexism as well) i
CaroLyn Schneider wrote:
>
> Hi Ingrid.
>
> I agree with your sentiment - it's bad marketing if you want to attract
> (straight) women (and queer men and people who aren't attracted/aroused by
> nudie shots). However, most Linux geeks aren't marketers. If we were, would we
> name our application
On Wed, 20 Oct 1999, CaroLyn Schneider wrote:
> That's what it (pornography) comes down to for me - it's freedom of speech.
> Very very important concept. Let's hang on to it.
But no one said anything about censorship yet!
aregh
There's a difference between bringing up 'maybe it would be bette
On Wed, 20 Oct 1999, Brendan/Coolian wrote:
> I can respect your rant, but like most things in this life that cannot be
> changed, something my grandmother said seems to ring true:
It sure can't be changed if no one tries.
> "Just deal with it."
> What does it matter that you're a woman?
> I k
Hi, Brendan,
I think you missed my point, earlier.
Yes women can be whatever they want to be, and yes, models get paid, quite
a lot, I understand. I think that modelling is as valid a profession as
anything...however, that does not exempt anyone, from treating them with
respect. I doubt tho
Hello again.
First, I'm happy to see all these responses! How nice to be somewhere
where these things can be discussed.
Second, I just wanted to make clear what the point of my message was. I
am *NOT* advocating a ban or censorship of screenshots or irc chats. I do
not want everyone to rush
>perky-breasted-Linux-chick, and I'm tired of endless references to penises
>and to porn in Linux-related irc channels.
I can respect your rant, but like most things in this life that cannot be
changed, something my grandmother said seems to ring true:
"Just deal with it."
What does it matte
>I find myself torn between feeling that it is this sort of atmosphere of
>treating women as objects that allows things to go on they way they
Women can be whatever they want to be. Let's no be naive here:
'women' buy into the whole sex object treatment just as much as any male
tha
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Good post.
I think I saw your webpage out there somewhere...Egyptian/dark theme, right?
Great job on it, but it was a bit hard to navigate with all the small
pieces and no email address, but that's just my anal side. Real
On 10/20/99, 8:27:35 PM, Naomi wrote:
> For the most part, I ignore this sort of adolescent crap and
> keep contacts with those for whom I have respect and from
> whom I receive respect. (One of the reasons I joined this list )
> Unfortunately, I have found this sort of immaturity in any
> group,
Hi Ingrid.
I agree with your sentiment - it's bad marketing if you want to attract
(straight) women (and queer men and people who aren't attracted/aroused by
nudie shots). However, most Linux geeks aren't marketers. If we were, would we
name our applications things like gimp and kill? :)
I under
On Wed, 20 Oct 1999 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> The trick is, the commitment doesn't come from everyone. It certainly doesn't
> come from clueless HNGs (horny net geeks).
> It /does/ come from many of the older, wiser, more sensible members of the
> community, both male and female.
Okay, totally
MM, I understand where Ingrid is coming fromI mean, I get very
tired of seeing women constantly treated as sexual objects or fantasy
objects instead of real people.
I find myself torn between feeling that it is this sort of atmosphere of
treating women as objects that allows things to
>But in every endeavour in life...there are those who
>are still young enough, male and female, to be primarily
>interested in sex (or mate-location).
Um, let's not pretend that sex and "mate-location"
are the same thing.
--Cathy James
[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://ww
Ingrid Schupbach wrote:
> If there
> really is a commitment to making Linux inviting to everyone, then I
> believe there needs to be a change in the horny-male-geeks-only atmosphere
> that's awfully pervasive.
The trick is, the commitment doesn't come from everyone. It certainly doesn't
come fr
I thought they were putting all the themes like that in an 'Adult' section,
perhaps you should send a note to the admin of the E themes site and let
them know that you think they should be in that section.
I don't feel that a locker room atmosphere is correct, an open atmosphere
would be a mor
On Wed, 20 Oct 1999, Ingrid Schupbach wrote:
> BEWARE! THE MESSAGE BELOW IS AN ANGRY RANT:
>
> I am fed-up with all these screenshots that include pictures of scantily
> clad or otherwise sexually charged pictures of women. When I was trying
> to find a good new theme from e.themes.org I was r
>I
> believe there needs to be a change in the horny-male-geeks-only atmosphere
> that's awfully pervasive. I'm tired of being asked whether I'm a
> perky-breasted-Linux-chick, and I'm tired of endless references to penises
> and to porn in Linux-related irc channels.
>
Hi, Ingrid,
Amen!
Isn't
BEWARE! THE MESSAGE BELOW IS AN ANGRY RANT:
I am fed-up with all these screenshots that include pictures of scantily
clad or otherwise sexually charged pictures of women. When I was trying
to find a good new theme from e.themes.org I was really turned off by
this. I find that this is just anot
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