Re: Flex on top of Dart (was: To AS4 or not (was: Re: ASC 2.0 and Falcon))

There are a couple of Flash API on JS engines already (Jangaroo, EaselJS, Shumway, more...). Porting to another language, I'd suggest a JS compiler like Traceur or TypeScript. You might even be able to use Jangaroo's AS3->JS compiler to bootstrap the conversion in the short term (it'd still be

RE: ASC 2.0 and Falcon

ebpatu.f...@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2012 6:27 AM To: flex-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: ASC 2.0 and Falcon I did not even know that AS2 worked on AIR mobile :) What i was afraid of, was that AIR mobile had a different backward compatibility strategy than flash player on desk

RE: compc config adjustements (was RE: ASC 2.0 and Falcon)

ay, October 27, 2012 6:22 AM To: flex-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: compc config adjustements (was RE: ASC 2.0 and Falcon) Hi, I've spent some time on this today. I've created very a basic spreadsheet [1] to keep track of the progress and don't clutter the list with jira u

Re: ASC 2.0 and Falcon

From: "Thibault Imbert" >> If I read that correctly; the only way to support AS3 AIR Apps will be >>to use Captive Runtime? > Yes, correct. And this is what most people have been using lately with AIR > so that they don't depend on a required runtime. All the dependencies are

Re: ASC 2.0 and Falcon

r some time to figure out a forward path, pls correct if that's the wrong conclusion Sent from my Virgin Mobile Android-Powered Device - Reply message ----- From: "Om" mailto:bigosma...@gmail.com)> To: (mailto:flex-dev@incubator.apache.org)> Subject: ASC 2.0 and Falcon

Re: compc config adjustements (was RE: ASC 2.0 and Falcon)

we don't switch over the build.xml file yet >> to use it. >> >> >> It doesn't look like it is done yet. I think it would be attached to >> this: >> >> https://issues.apache.org/**jira/browse/FLEX-33227<https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FLEX-33227>

Re: ASC 2.0 and Falcon

apps will at the very least run on whatever runtimes are put out by adobe for the next 5 year's , that certainly allows for some time to figure out a forward path, pls correct if that's the wrong conclusion Sent from my Virgin Mobile Android-Powered Device - Reply message ----- Fr

Re: ASC 2.0 and Falcon

Hi Jeff, Yes, this is correct. Thibault Imbert | sr. product manager gaming (Graphics, Language, VM, Compiler) | Monocle | adobe systems gaming.adobe.com | bytearray.org | @thibault_imbert On 10/26/12 4:02 PM, "Jeffry Houser" wrote: >On 1

Re: ASC 2.0 and Falcon

. > >>> > >>> > >>> Le 25/10/2012 21:44, charles.monte...@gmail.com a écrit : > >>>> I had seen that before but had forgotten , thanks for pointing this > >>>> out, so to summarize any 4.6 based apps will at the very least run on >

Re: ASC 2.0 and Falcon

On 10/26/2012 6:56 PM, Thibault Imbert wrote: Yes, correct. And this is what most people have been using lately with AIR so that they don't depend on a required runtime. All the dependencies are embedded. I'm not clear if I understand all the possible implications of this. From this thread,

Re: ASC 2.0 and Falcon

rles.monte...@gmail.com a écrit : >>>> I had seen that before but had forgotten , thanks for pointing this >>>> out, so to summarize any 4.6 based apps will at the very least run on >>>> whatever runtimes are put out by adobe for the next 5 year's , that >>>

Re: ASC 2.0 and Falcon

ertainly allows for some time to figure out a forward path, pls correct if that's the wrong conclusion Sent from my Virgin Mobile Android-Powered Device - Reply message ----- From: "Om" To: Subject: ASC 2.0 and Falcon Date: Thu, Oct 25, 2012 3:08 pm From the Adobe Flex

Re: ASC 2.0 and Falcon

Thibault, This sucks, this is such a cliff hanger! I will have to wait till next year? :) Tangent -- Original Message -- Received: Fri, 26 Oct 2012 05:36:43 PM EDT From: Thibault Imbert To: "flex-dev@incubator.apache.org" Subject: Re: ASC 2.0 and Falcon > Hi Rick, >

Re: ASC 2.0 and Falcon

bleshooting all the incompatibilities among IE 6,7,8,9 ... Cheers, Tangent -- Original Message -- Received: Fri, 26 Oct 2012 05:30:37 PM EDT From: Rick Winscot To: flex-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: ASC 2.0 and Falcon > Thibault, > > Does this mean when people download

Re: ASC 2.0 and Falcon

to:charles.monte...@gmail.com) a écrit : >> > > I had seen that before but had forgotten , thanks for pointing this >> > > out, so to summarize any 4.6 based apps will at the very least run >>on >> > > whatever runtimes are put out by adobe

Re: ASC 2.0 and Falcon

least run on > > > whatever runtimes are put out by adobe for the next 5 year's , that > > > certainly allows for some time to figure out a forward path, pls correct > > > if that's the wrong conclusion > > > > > > Sent from my Virgin Mobile Android-Po

Re: ASC 2.0 and Falcon

>>if that's the wrong conclusion >> >> Sent from my Virgin Mobile Android-Powered Device >> >> - Reply message - >> From: "Om" >> To: >> Subject: ASC 2.0 and Falcon >> Date: Thu, Oct 25, 2012 3:08 pm >> >> >&

Re: compc config adjustements (was RE: ASC 2.0 and Falcon)

ike it is done yet. I think it would be attached to this: > > https://issues.apache.org/**jira/browse/FLEX-33227<https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FLEX-33227> > > > Carol > > > - Gordon > > > -----Original Message- > From: Chema Balsas [mailto:jbal..

Re: compc config adjustements (was RE: ASC 2.0 and Falcon)

ol - Gordon -Original Message- From: Chema Balsas [mailto:jbal...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2012 11:45 AM To: flex-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: compc config adjustements (was RE: ASC 2.0 and Falcon) Sorry if I made a bit of a mess here... I think the wiki sounds go

Re: compc config adjustements (was RE: ASC 2.0 and Falcon)

11:45 AM >To: flex-dev@incubator.apache.org >Subject: Re: compc config adjustements (was RE: ASC 2.0 and Falcon) > >Sorry if I made a bit of a mess here... > >I think the wiki sounds good, but we'll probably be adding more >complexity to the workflow. > >Mike, if you ar

Re: ASC 2.0 and Falcon

There are still some features of AS3 that aren't supported in Jangaroo (I think namespaces are a big missing feature), but they did manage to get most things working. If you look at the compiled code for Jangaroo, they didn't do as much of a 1:1 mapping to JS as other compilers try to do, they

RE: compc config adjustements (was RE: ASC 2.0 and Falcon)

as [mailto:jbal...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2012 11:45 AM To: flex-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: compc config adjustements (was RE: ASC 2.0 and Falcon) Sorry if I made a bit of a mess here... I think the wiki sounds good, but we'll probably be adding more complexity to the wor

Re: ASC 2.0 and Falcon

on whatever >> runtimes are put out by adobe for the next 5 year's , that certainly allows >> for some time to figure out a forward path, pls correct if that's the wrong >> conclusion >> >> Sent from my Virgin Mobile Android-Powered Device >> >> --

Re: ASC 2.0 and Falcon

e for the next 5 year's , that certainly allows for some time to figure out a forward path, pls correct if that's the wrong conclusion Sent from my Virgin Mobile Android-Powered Device - Reply message - From: "Om" To: Subject: ASC 2.0 and Falcon Date: Thu, Oct 25,

Re: ASC 2.0 and Falcon

#x27;s the wrong conclusion Sent from my Virgin Mobile Android-Powered Device - Reply message - From: "Om" To: Subject: ASC 2.0 and Falcon Date: Thu, Oct 25, 2012 3:08 pm From the Adobe Flex Whitepapaper [1] Adobe runtime support of Flex > Flash Player 11.2 and Adobe AIR 3.2

Re: ASC 2.0 and Falcon

t; Hi Sebastien, >> >> To confirm, such a framework like Feathers or Starling would have to be >> updated to ASNext to run on the new VM. >> >> Sent from mobile, please pardon brevity/errors. >> __**__ >> From: sébastien Paturel

Re: ASC 2.0 and Falcon

Subject: Re: ASC 2.0 and Falcon In the short term, it will be needed by flex to run on VM3, to be able to create apps for new mobile hardware, and run better on retina Display. According to jonathan Campos, it is feasable to render flex sdk on starling for the next main release. And if i understand

RE: ASC 2.0 and Falcon

Re: ASC 2.0 and Falcon On 10/18/12 7:28 PM, Gordon Smith wrote: > Yes, the community has to figure out what the essence of Flex really is. To > me, it's an rapid-development application framework, the combination of a > procedural language with a declarative language, and a wide

RE: ASC 2.0 and Falcon

them. - Gordon -Original Message- From: Kevin Newman [mailto:capta...@unfocus.com] Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2012 7:55 AM To: flex-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: ASC 2.0 and Falcon On 10/18/12 6:46 PM, Gordon Smith wrote: > the internationalization APIs in the Flash VM we

RE: ASC 2.0 and Falcon

Subject: Re: ASC 2.0 and Falcon In the short term, it will be needed by flex to run on VM3, to be able to create apps for new mobile hardware, and run better on retina Display. According to jonathan Campos, it is feasable to render flex sdk on starling for the next main release. And if i understand well

Re: ASC 2.0 and Falcon

In the short term, it will be needed by flex to run on VM3, to be able to create apps for new mobile hardware, and run better on retina Display. According to jonathan Campos, it is feasable to render flex sdk on starling for the next main release. And if i understand well what thibault said, we d

Re: ASC 2.0 and Falcon

On 10/18/12 7:28 PM, Gordon Smith wrote: Yes, the community has to figure out what the essence of Flex really is. To me, it's an rapid-development application framework, the combination of a procedural language with a declarative language, and a widely-deployed runtime that can support RIAs. T

Re: ASC 2.0 and Falcon

On 10/18/12 6:46 PM, Gordon Smith wrote: the internationalization APIs in the Flash VM were never finished Isn't some level of internationalization required even for games? Kevin N.

Re: compc config adjustements (was RE: ASC 2.0 and Falcon)

Sorry if I made a bit of a mess here... I think the wiki sounds good, but we'll probably be adding more complexity to the workflow. Mike, if you are allowed to assign the tasks to yourself, I'd suggest that we create the subtasks. You or any other committer that wants to work on one, just needs t

Re: compc config adjustements (was RE: ASC 2.0 and Falcon)

Well ironically after sending the last message it finally(4 hours later after man tries) downloaded all build stuff, thanks for the info Carol. Mike Quoting Carol Frampton : On 10/23/12 11 :39AM, "Michael Schmalle" wrote: Quoting Om : I believe Alex can help you with setting up your

Re: compc config adjustements (was RE: ASC 2.0 and Falcon)

On 10/23/12 11 :39AM, "Michael Schmalle" wrote: >Quoting Om : > >> I believe Alex can help you with setting up your JIRA account to be >>able to >> assign stuff to yourself. > >This isn't a problem, I can do this already. > >> As for non-committers, a comment saying 'I am on it' should be >> s

Re: compc config adjustements (was RE: ASC 2.0 and Falcon)

Quoting Om : I believe Alex can help you with setting up your JIRA account to be able to assign stuff to yourself. This isn't a problem, I can do this already. As for non-committers, a comment saying 'I am on it' should be sufficient. Regularly updating tasks/sub-tasks with progress update

Re: compc config adjustements (was RE: ASC 2.0 and Falcon)

I believe Alex can help you with setting up your JIRA account to be able to assign stuff to yourself. As for non-committers, a comment saying 'I am on it' should be sufficient. Regularly updating tasks/sub-tasks with progress updates would also be helpful in case someone else wants to continue f

RE: compc config adjustements (was RE: ASC 2.0 and Falcon)

x-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: compc config adjustements (was RE: ASC 2.0 and Falcon) Quoting Carol Frampton : >> >> I don't have permission as a committer? I created the task and >> assigned it to myself, am I missing something? I know I can't assign >

Re: compc config adjustements (was RE: ASC 2.0 and Falcon)

Quoting Carol Frampton : I don't have permission as a committer? I created the task and assigned it to myself, am I missing something? I know I can't assign a task to Chema since he is not a listed user. If it wasn't you then it was Chema that said he couldn't can't assign a task. If he is

Re: compc config adjustements (was RE: ASC 2.0 and Falcon)

>>> @Gordon Please, can you check if this is what you're looking for? I >>>>>>> assume >>>>>>> once we get one right everything will go much faster. Also, running >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> mustella tests is

Re: compc config adjustements (was RE: ASC 2.0 and Falcon)

age. Mike Quoting Gordon Smith : I think you'd also want to run the Mustella tests. I don't think there is an Ant target for those. - Gordon -Original Message- From: Michael Schmalle [mailto:apache@teotigraphix.com ] Sent: Monday, October 22, 2012 1:32 PM To: flex-dev@incubato

Re: compc config adjustements (was RE: ASC 2.0 and Falcon)

to >>>>>go, >>>>> I'll check if everything works as expected before sending a >>>>>definitive >>>>> patch. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> 2012/10/22 Michael Schmalle >>>>> >>>>>

Re: compc config adjustements (was RE: ASC 2.0 and Falcon)

gure the >>>>> tests out before I am going to commit anything like I said previously. >>>>> >>>>> Is there anyone that knows those test to write a child wiki page that >>>>> would explain exactly what a committer needs to know at the minimum

Re: compc config adjustements (was RE: ASC 2.0 and Falcon)

7;t think there is an Ant target for those. - Gordon -Original Message- From: Michael Schmalle [mailto:apache@teotigraphix.**com ] Sent: Monday, October 22, 2012 1:32 PM To: flex-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: RE: compc config adjustements (was RE: ASC 2.0 and Falcon) Ok, So I&#x

Re: compc config adjustements (was RE: ASC 2.0 and Falcon)

gt;> check in. >>> >>> There is a lot of information on that one page. >>> >>> >>> Mike >>> >>> >>> Quoting Gordon Smith : >>> >>> I think you'd also want to run the Mustella tests. I don't think

Re: compc config adjustements (was RE: ASC 2.0 and Falcon)

> > By far I am no JIRA expert for sure and the sub task question I can't > answer. I does seem like a good way to spread a task between devs but > having JIRA send emails for all the sub tsks seems like over kill since you > all ready have the main task and others can watch it. Maybe someone can

Re: compc config adjustements (was RE: ASC 2.0 and Falcon)

: Michael Schmalle [mailto:apache@teotigraphix.**com ] Sent: Monday, October 22, 2012 1:32 PM To: flex-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: RE: compc config adjustements (was RE: ASC 2.0 and Falcon) Ok, So I'm guessing that running the build is the correct way to test if anything is broken corr

Re: compc config adjustements (was RE: ASC 2.0 and Falcon)

run the Mustella tests. I don't think there >>> is an Ant target for those. >>> >>> - Gordon >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: Michael Schmalle >>> [mailto:apache@teotigraphix.**com >>> ] >>> Sent: Mond

Re: compc config adjustements (was RE: ASC 2.0 and Falcon)

the Mustella tests. I don't think there is >> an Ant target for those. >> >> - Gordon >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Michael Schmalle >> [mailto:apache@teotigraphix.**com >> ] >> Sent: Monday, October 22, 2012 1:32 PM >>

RE: compc config adjustements (was RE: ASC 2.0 and Falcon)

Original Message- From: Michael Schmalle [mailto:apa...@teotigraphix.com] Sent: Monday, October 22, 2012 1:32 PM To: flex-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: RE: compc config adjustements (was RE: ASC 2.0 and Falcon) Ok, So I'm guessing that running the build is the correct way to tes

RE: compc config adjustements (was RE: ASC 2.0 and Falcon)

mpc config adjustements (was RE: ASC 2.0 and Falcon) Ok, So I'm guessing that running the build is the correct way to test if anything is broken correct? I'm kind of new to this larger scale development and don't want to mess anything up. (before I commit to the develop branch) M

RE: compc config adjustements (was RE: ASC 2.0 and Falcon)

PM To: flex-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: compc config adjustements (was RE: ASC 2.0 and Falcon) I did manage to do a prototype conversion this morning of the frameworks compile target. There are a couple things I am uncertain about, -| resource-bundle-list="${basedir}/bundles.prope

RE: compc config adjustements (was RE: ASC 2.0 and Falcon)

12:19 PM To: flex-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: compc config adjustements (was RE: ASC 2.0 and Falcon) I did manage to do a prototype conversion this morning of the frameworks compile target. There are a couple things I am uncertain about, -| resource-bundle-list="${ba

RE: ASC 2.0 and Falcon

>So an open source Apache Flex that requires a closed source Adobe AVMNext >compiler? No, we would likely need to create our own. Yet another reason I think this is a red herring and we shouldn't be distracted by the shiny new VM. Mike

Re: ASC 2.0 and Falcon

So an open source Apache Flex that requires a closed source Adobe AVMNext compiler? That seems incorrect. Kevin N. On 10/18/12 7:31 PM, Thibault Imbert wrote: I was just giving examples of how a very lightweight Flex could work on this new runtime.

RE: To AS4 or not (was: Re: ASC 2.0 and Falcon)

mail.com [mailto:carlos.rov...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Carlos Rovira Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2012 1:12 PM To: flex-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: To AS4 or not (was: Re: ASC 2.0 and Falcon) Alex, Gordon, when we could get more info about AS4? I think this new version of the language and the new ve

Re: To AS4 or not (was: Re: ASC 2.0 and Falcon)

] >> Sent: Friday, October 19, 2012 10:56 AM >> To: flex-dev@incubator.apache.org >> Subject: Re: To AS4 or not (was: Re: ASC 2.0 and Falcon) >> >> >> >> >> On 10/19/12 10:52 AM, "João Fernandes" >> wrote: >> >>> Alex, co

Re: To AS4 or not (was: Re: ASC 2.0 and Falcon)

e been hearing some other stuff that might make it harder. > > - Gordon > > -Original Message- > From: Alex Harui [mailto:aha...@adobe.com] > Sent: Friday, October 19, 2012 10:56 AM > To: flex-dev@incubator.apache.org > Subject: Re: To AS4 or not (was: Re: ASC 2.

RE: compc config adjustements (was RE: ASC 2.0 and Falcon)

this becomes {flexlib} but I'm not sure. - Gordon -Original Message- From: Michael Schmalle [mailto:apa...@teotigraphix.com] Sent: Friday, October 19, 2012 12:19 PM To: flex-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: compc config adjustements (was RE: ASC 2.0 and Falcon) I did mana

RE: compc config adjustements (was RE: ASC 2.0 and Falcon)

19, 2012 12:11 PM To: flex-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: compc config adjustements (was RE: ASC 2.0 and Falcon) Hi Mike, I've dealt with the differences between compc and config files several times in my day to day work... now I wish I'd written them down... :D I think I could

Re: compc config adjustements (was RE: ASC 2.0 and Falcon)

y project in the projects directory to use a config file for its compilation options. Then you or I can write JUnit tests that use Falcon to compile each SWC by invoking Falcon with this config file. - Gordon -Original Message- From: Michael Schmalle [mailto:apache@teotigraphix.**com

Re: compc config adjustements (was RE: ASC 2.0 and Falcon)

nt in various ways from the XML tags >> inside the tag (for one thing, XML config files don't use >> attributes) so the conversion isn't always obvious. >> >> I want the "compile" target for every project in the projects directory >> to use a con

RE: To AS4 or not (was: Re: ASC 2.0 and Falcon)

for us and it isn't trivial. ActionScript is more complex than MXML. - Gordon -Original Message- From: João Fernandes [mailto:joaopedromartinsfernan...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, October 19, 2012 10:53 AM To: flex-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: To AS4 or not (was: Re: ASC 2.0 and

RE: To AS4 or not (was: Re: ASC 2.0 and Falcon)

s: Re: ASC 2.0 and Falcon) On 10/19/12 10:52 AM, "João Fernandes" wrote: > Alex, couldn't we simply use AS4 and have multiple target platforms ? Sure, but I think it will be a lot of work, for little gain. I'm waiting for the final AS4 spec. It might be harder to transcod

Re: To AS4 or not (was: Re: ASC 2.0 and Falcon)

On 10/19/12 10:52 AM, "João Fernandes" wrote: > Alex, couldn't we simply use AS4 and have multiple target platforms ? Sure, but I think it will be a lot of work, for little gain. I'm waiting for the final AS4 spec. It might be harder to transcode it to other languages than AS3. -- Alex Har

Re: To AS4 or not (was: Re: ASC 2.0 and Falcon)

Alex, couldn't we simply use AS4 and have multiple target platforms ? Gordon, Adobe AS4 compiler won't be open sourced but would it be possible to adapt Falcon to target the new VM?

Re: ASC 2.0 and Falcon

- Gordon > > -Original Message- > From: sébastien Paturel [mailto:sebpatu.f...@gmail.com] > Sent: Friday, October 19, 2012 5:10 AM > To: flex-dev@incubator.apache.org > Subject: Re: ASC 2.0 and Falcon > > Hi Thibault, > Does this VM change will also be applied to

RE: ASC 2.0 and Falcon

The new VM Adobe is developing is for both Flash Player and AIR. - Gordon -Original Message- From: sébastien Paturel [mailto:sebpatu.f...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, October 19, 2012 5:10 AM To: flex-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: ASC 2.0 and Falcon Hi Thibault, Does this VM change

Re: What is the essence of Flex? its future and the Next runtime (was: Re: ASC 2.0 and Falcon)

On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 7:20 AM, Charles Monteiro wrote: > "but according to its new strategic shift it will be with the new gaming > runtime only! " > > Do we know this to be true ? > > Yes. -omar

Re: Flex on top of Dart (was: To AS4 or not (was: Re: ASC 2.0 and Falcon))

I'm now using JSF implementation Primefaces. It internally uses JQuery UI and JQuery Theme Roller. I think both frameworks are probably more low level than ExtJS & Sencha and may be better candidates for renderer layer in js. http://jqueryui.com/ http://jqueryui.com/themeroller/ Both of these fra

Re: Flex on top of Dart (was: To AS4 or not (was: Re: ASC 2.0 and Falcon))

On 10/19/12 8:30 AM, "Alain Ekambi" wrote: > > The question is not how to target Flash player without AS, but how to > target non flash player runtime from an AS written framework. > Agreed. And maybe an API layer over Dart will work, but I doubt full Sencha will be in the picture. ExtJS?

Re: To AS4 or not (was: Re: ASC 2.0 and Falcon)

On 10/19/12 5:10 AM, "sébastien Paturel" wrote: > The question is what amount of work does it require to port from AS3 to > AS4 ? Significant. AS4 has made no promise to be backward compatible with AS3. > It does not seems that the difference is as big as between AS2 and AS3 > right? I think

Re: To AS4 or not (was: Re: ASC 2.0 and Falcon)

I don't think Adobe has publicly disclosed details about AS4 yet, so I'll just say that there are significant changes from AS3. However, porting Flex would probably involve more work in adapting to the new runtime APIs than in adapting to the new language. Also, the AS4 compiler will not be ope

Re: Flex on top of Dart (was: To AS4 or not (was: Re: ASC 2.0 and Falcon))

I m not a fan of JS. But what would be the benefit ? Acceptance. You have more JS devs out there then ActionScript ones. You target JS devs you target millions and millions of Devs. Look at Node.js success Even the java folks understood that the more language target the JVM the better for the p

Re: Flex on top of Dart (was: To AS4 or not (was: Re: ASC 2.0 and Falcon))

But they never will :) This project must not expect anything new from Adobe except what it does already, except for very simple things for wich we can have a try. Le 19/10/2012 16:34, jun wu a écrit : It will be great if Adobe buy out Sencha and then donate it to Apache. On 19 October 2012 2

Re: Flex on top of Dart (was: To AS4 or not (was: Re: ASC 2.0 and Falcon))

It will be great if Adobe buy out Sencha and then donate it to Apache. On 19 October 2012 22:29, jun wu wrote: > But it might be the easiest way to make flex a real flexible tool and give > a great many programers hope to stick to flex/as. > > On 19 October 2012 22:15, Stefan Horochovec > wrote

Re: Flex on top of Dart (was: To AS4 or not (was: Re: ASC 2.0 and Falcon))

But it might be the easiest way to make flex a real flexible tool and give a great many programers hope to stick to flex/as. On 19 October 2012 22:15, Stefan Horochovec wrote: > Hello > > I dont think that is a good initiative to combine the Apache Flex SDK with > a proprietary tool like Sencha.

Re: What is the essence of Flex? its future and the Next runtime (was: Re: ASC 2.0 and Falcon)

deployed >> runtime that can support RIAs. The runtime of the future for RIAs seems to >> be native code for mobile devices and HTML/Javascript for browser apps. The >> best procedural language is anything that can be compiled to these >> runtimes. MXML is a perfectly good declarati

Re: Flex on top of Dart (was: To AS4 or not (was: Re: ASC 2.0 and Falcon))

Hello I dont think that is a good initiative to combine the Apache Flex SDK with a proprietary tool like Sencha. Stefan Horochovec 2012/10/19 jun wu > Is it possible to build an AS/Flex framework just like ExtJS and Sencha > Touch? > If we have this framework, we can write and test AS codes i

Re: Flex on top of Dart (was: To AS4 or not (was: Re: ASC 2.0 and Falcon))

Is it possible to build an AS/Flex framework just like ExtJS and Sencha Touch? If we have this framework, we can write and test AS codes in flash builder and public them as as/flex apps. And most importantly, we can easily translate this AS code to JS code line by line. On 19 October 2012 21:49

Re: What is the essence of Flex? its future and the Next runtime (was: Re: ASC 2.0 and Falcon)

ve code for mobile devices and HTML/Javascript for browser apps. The >> best procedural language is anything that can be compiled to these >> runtimes. MXML is a perfectly good declarative language for UIs. >> >> - Gordon >> >> -Original Message- >&

Re: Flex on top of Dart (was: To AS4 or not (was: Re: ASC 2.0 and Falcon))

"rewriting a Flex-like framework" easy to say but hard to do. And its irrelevant in the Flex mailing list. We discuss what Flex should become, not what should be done to replace it. You should ask, "has someone considered transcoding flex to Dart?" Le 19/10/2012 14:49, João Saleiro a écrit : I

Re: Flex on top of Dart (was: To AS4 or not (was: Re: ASC 2.0 and Falcon))

What is the purpose to target flash player with JS ? "But irrelevant in the Enterprise world." Flex with ActionScript has already a very good place there. "ActionScript and all the non free IDEs that come with it" There is free IDE for ActionScript and non free IDE for javascript, that's not a p

Re: Flex on top of Dart (was: To AS4 or not (was: Re: ASC 2.0 and Falcon))

Crazy how people on this list always think you have to do ActionScript to target Flash ! People there s a JS binding inside the Flash Player. Meaning anything that compiles to JS (like Dart, Java, Scala, etc ..) can be used to write applications for the Flash platform. The Flash player is not the

What is the essence of Flex? its future and the Next runtime (was: Re: ASC 2.0 and Falcon)

is a perfectly good declarative language for UIs. - Gordon -Original Message- From: Michael A. Labriola [mailto:labri...@digitalprimates.net] Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 4:07 PM To: flex-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: RE: ASC 2.0 and Falcon PS I don't think Apache Flex needs

Flex on top of Dart (was: To AS4 or not (was: Re: ASC 2.0 and Falcon))

I might be crucified for this, but has someone considered rewriting a Flex-like framework on top of Dart? John Evans alone started building Buckshot UI on top of Dart which features a declarative language similar to MXML, data-binding, UI controls among other interesting stuff. Take a look at

Re: To AS4 or not (was: Re: ASC 2.0 and Falcon)

The question is what amount of work does it require to port from AS3 to AS4 ? It does not seems that the difference is as big as between AS2 and AS3 right? I don't understand, what you mean in fact. Is the work required is about to target stage3D by using starling2D as a rendering layer? or is

Re: ASC 2.0 and Falcon

Hi Thibault, Does this VM change will also be applied to next AIR runtime? Le 19/10/2012 01:31, Thibault Imbert a écrit : Hi Mike, Just to clarify. I am not saying Flex developers should bet on Feathers/Starling to be the next Flex. I was just giving examples of how a very lightweight Flex cou

Re: To AS4 or not (was: Re: ASC 2.0 and Falcon)

I think we only could evaluate AS4 when Adobe share more info about flash player next. Things like accesibility, localization, and others are key for Flex. Hope that info could be shared soon and hope as well internacionalization will be focus since I think is important in gamming too. 2012/10/19

Re: To AS4 or not (was: Re: ASC 2.0 and Falcon)

On 10/18/12 4:14 PM, "Om" wrote: > > I dont quite get the pessimism here. I am in fact glad that Adobe stopped > working on Flex and is concentrating more on the Virtual Machine and AS > language enhancements. Isnt that what we all wanted? > > Flash in AVM1 and AVM2 had all of the pieces

RE: ASC 2.0 and Falcon

hing that can be compiled to these runtimes. MXML is a perfectly good declarative language for UIs. - Gordon -Original Message- From: Michael A. Labriola [mailto:labri...@digitalprimates.net] Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 4:07 PM To: flex-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: RE: ASC 2

Re: ASC 2.0 and Falcon

Hi Mike, Just to clarify. I am not saying Flex developers should bet on Feathers/Starling to be the next Flex. I was just giving examples of how a very lightweight Flex could work on this new runtime. Thibault Imbert | sr. product manager gaming (Graphics, Language, VM, Compiler) | Monocle | ado

RE: To AS4 or not (was: Re: ASC 2.0 and Falcon)

>Even around AVM1 time, Flash Player was mostly known for games, intro sites >and splash screens. That dint prevent me or several others companies from >pushing Flash Player and build >shipping enterprise applications. Right, they did. So, if the new AVM takes off and becomes popular, we are in

RE: ASC 2.0 and Falcon

labri...@digitalprimates.net] Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 4:07 PM To: flex-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: RE: ASC 2.0 and Falcon >PS I don't think Apache Flex needs to stand for what Flex is today though, and >this is where innovation in the future needs to happen in this project. +65535

compc config adjustements (was RE: ASC 2.0 and Falcon)

or its compilation options. Then you or I can write JUnit tests that use Falcon to compile each SWC by invoking Falcon with this config file. - Gordon -Original Message- From: Michael Schmalle [mailto:apa...@teotigraphix.com] Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 3:49 PM To: flex-dev@incu

Re: ASC 2.0 and Falcon

The question is...what kind of innovation is suggested? The kind of innovation that is coming to Flash Player is about gamming...The kind of innovation that should come to flex should be ..what? ease of development? things like improving annotations? metadata? dependecy injection? AOP? better MXML

To AS4 or not (was: Re: ASC 2.0 and Falcon)

On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 4:03 PM, Michael Schmalle wrote: > Quoting "Michael A. Labriola" **: > > How exactly would a company using Flex start using the new VM if it does >>> not support Flex? As long as they use Flex, they would still be using AVM2. >>> >> >> What I mean is that Flash Player's p

RE: ASC 2.0 and Falcon

a...@teotigraphix.com] Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 3:49 PM To: flex-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: RE: ASC 2.0 and Falcon Quoting Gordon Smith : >> Gordon I can help with MXML once I get my feet wet in understanding >> exactly "What" needs to be implemented.

RE: ASC 2.0 and Falcon

>PS I don't think Apache Flex needs to stand for what Flex is today though, and >this is where innovation in the future needs to happen in this project. +65535

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