Re: [AFMUG] 3.65 NN License Expiry

2020-02-26 Thread Mark Radabaugh
> On Feb 25, 2020, at 5:20 PM, Mathew Howard wrote: > > > I would assume that if a CBRS operator puts up gear that you're interfering > with, it's going to be handled pretty much the same way it was under the old > rules (in other words, work it out with eachother, or shut up and live with

Re: [AFMUG] 3.65 NN License Expiry

2020-02-26 Thread Mike Hammett
"by the time most of us realized" That's why people need to pay attention to WISPA e-mails. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Steve Jones" To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Se

Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: Cambium LTE

2020-02-26 Thread Mike Hammett
Is the CBRS power that much higher where a 450 at CBRS power makes up for the lack of nLOS capability as compared to LTE on NN? Obviously LTE at CBRS power would be that much better, but maybe it's a good fit where people need just a little more nLOS capability than 450 provides and the extra

Re: [AFMUG] .6 KM shot with 1G Full Duplex

2020-02-26 Thread Mike Hammett
That is an insane value proposition over the AF24HD. Which specific radio, the 10G single band 4800? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Darin Steffl" To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users

Re: [AFMUG] .6 KM shot with 1G Full Duplex

2020-02-26 Thread Josh Baird
Yes - this is the WTM4800. On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 8:53 AM Mike Hammett wrote: > That is an insane value proposition over the AF24HD. > > Which specific radio, the 10G single band 4800? > > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions >

Re: [AFMUG] .6 KM shot with 1G Full Duplex

2020-02-26 Thread Darin Steffl
Yes the 4800 model. Contact Ken Ruppel over there for more details and he'll get everyone setup with that pricing. I bought a siklu 8010 with the wispa pricing at the end if 2019 for $6100 which was the best deal at that time. But the aviat pricing at $5k is the best I've seen for true carrier gra

Re: [AFMUG] 3.65 NN License Expiry

2020-02-26 Thread Mathew Howard
Yeah, I agree, they probably will make an example out of a few operators. But I don't see any reason why they'd bother with somebody who still has a valid license. They'll probably go after some guys that are blatantly running some old Ubiquiti or WiMax gear after their license expires. On Wed, Fe

Re: [AFMUG] .6 KM shot with 1G Full Duplex

2020-02-26 Thread Mathew Howard
Is there some kind of special pricing or something? I logged into my Aviat account, and it's looking more like $7k for a link to me. On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 8:05 AM Josh Baird wrote: > Yes - this is the WTM4800. > > On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 8:53 AM Mike Hammett wrote: > >> That is an insane valu

Re: [AFMUG] .6 KM shot with 1G Full Duplex

2020-02-26 Thread Josh Baird
It may be WISPA member pricing. On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 10:02 AM Mathew Howard wrote: > Is there some kind of special pricing or something? I logged into my Aviat > account, and it's looking more like $7k for a link to me. > > On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 8:05 AM Josh Baird wrote: > >> Yes - this is

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu (was UBNT stock)

2020-02-26 Thread castarritt .
My respirator is rated to stop 95% of one petahertz. On Tue, Feb 25, 2020 at 6:32 PM Matt Hoppes < mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote: > Make sure you change your RF Filters. > > On Feb 25, 2020, at 5:00 PM, Steve Jones > wrote: > > if corona virus hits the internet, it wont be able to su

Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: Cambium LTE

2020-02-26 Thread Mathew Howard
It's a 5-6db increase, if I remember correctly, so that could certainly be enough to make the difference in a lot of cases. Of course there's also the fact that half of the people running Baicells radios with sectors are probably already running (illegally) at that power level anyway... On Wed, F

Re: [AFMUG] 3.65 NN License Expiry

2020-02-26 Thread Steve Jones
I was told when I asked about examples being made that hopefully SAS will sort things out on its own. If it goes outside of SAS being able to manage an issue, such all illegal operators, particularly when more sensing capability comes into play with SAS 2.0, you do not want to be the guy who gets n

Re: [AFMUG] .6 KM shot with 1G Full Duplex

2020-02-26 Thread Darin Steffl
Yes I ran into the same thing with the web store showing a higher cost. Just reach out to Ken and he'll quote you the pricing I'm talking about. On Wed, Feb 26, 2020, 9:05 AM Josh Baird wrote: > It may be WISPA member pricing. > > On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 10:02 AM Mathew Howard > wrote: > >> Is

Re: [AFMUG] 3.65 NN License Expiry

2020-02-26 Thread Mathew Howard
Yeah, but tricky part is going to be stuff that's still operating legally under an unexpired license that the SAS can't manage. I think it would be wise to make sure everything is properly registered and you're not doing anything questionable if you plan to keep operating under the old rules much b

Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: Cambium LTE

2020-02-26 Thread Ken Hohhof
I’m shocked, shocked … From: AF On Behalf Of Mathew Howard Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2020 9:14 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: Cambium LTE It's a 5-6db increase, if I remember correctly, so that could certainly be enough to make the

Re: [AFMUG] 3.65 NN License Expiry

2020-02-26 Thread Mark Radabaugh
I would very much second that statement - make sure you are following all the rules for 90z going forward. Mark > On Feb 26, 2020, at 10:25 AM, Mathew Howard wrote: > > Yeah, but tricky part is going to be stuff that's still operating legally > under an unexpired license that the SAS can't ma

Re: [AFMUG] 3.65 NN License Expiry

2020-02-26 Thread Tim Hardy
For what it’s worth, I researched current FCC license records for Radio Service NN and here is the number of licenses that expire by year: 2020969 Most of these on 4/17/2020 2021363 2022298 2023260 2024220 202583 20261 > On Feb 26, 2020, at 10:31 AM, Mark Radabaug

Re: [AFMUG] .6 KM shot with 1G Full Duplex

2020-02-26 Thread Mathew Howard
Good to know. That's an incredibly good deal... definitely what I'd go with. You'll probably be paying at least that for a 1Gbps link from any of the other manufacturers. On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 9:20 AM Darin Steffl wrote: > Yes I ran into the same thing with the web store showing a higher cost.

Re: [AFMUG] 3.65 NN License Expiry

2020-02-26 Thread Chris Fabien
So sounds like consensus is we can continue to operate under the NN license until 10/24/2022? I do have these AP locations registered and will double check power is within limits. Thanks Chris On Wed, Feb 26, 2020, 10:32 AM Mark Radabaugh wrote: > I would very much second that statement - make

Re: [AFMUG] 3.65 NN License Expiry

2020-02-26 Thread Mark Radabaugh
It 10/24/2022 is what your license says then yes, that is correct. Mark > On Feb 26, 2020, at 10:37 AM, Chris Fabien wrote: > > So sounds like consensus is we can continue to operate under the NN license > until 10/24/2022? > I do have these AP locations registered and will double check power

Re: [AFMUG] 3.65 NN License Expiry

2020-02-26 Thread Steve Jones
I always wished the FCC, or better yet, WISPA would offer a network audit service. Just to come in and verify compliance. Tier one is just looking at your configs, doesnt cost a huge amount, tier 2 they actually do EIRP verification and all that in the field for a bigger price. Id rather pay some o

Re: [AFMUG] 3.65 NN License Expiry

2020-02-26 Thread Mathew Howard
If you're intending to keep operating that long, I would make sure all the CPE locations are registered too. On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 9:38 AM Chris Fabien wrote: > So sounds like consensus is we can continue to operate under the NN > license until 10/24/2022? > I do have these AP locations regist

Re: [AFMUG] 3.65 NN License Expiry

2020-02-26 Thread Ken Hohhof
SM locations were also supposed to be registered. Good luck registering locations at this late date though. The applications will be accepted but are likely to get stuck in “Pending”. From: AF On Behalf Of Chris Fabien Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2020 9:38 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave U

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu (was UBNT stock)

2020-02-26 Thread Ken Hohhof
Saw this book cited on a website: https://psandman.com/media/RespondingtoCommunityOutrage.pdf Interesting reading (and free). From: AF On Behalf Of castarritt . Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2020 9:09 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu (was UBNT st

Re: [AFMUG] 3.65 NN License Expiry

2020-02-26 Thread Adam Moffett
Interesting idea. On 2/26/2020 10:45 AM, Steve Jones wrote: I always wished the FCC, or better yet, WISPA would offer a network audit service. Just to come in and verify compliance. Tier one is just looking at your configs, doesnt cost a huge amount, tier 2 they actually do EIRP verification

Re: [AFMUG] 3.65 NN License Expiry

2020-02-26 Thread Mathew Howard
It seems to me, that just about anybody with the proper knowledge could start a service like that... you'd basically just have to be willing/able to take on the liability for any FCC fines that somebody got on a system that you certified. One downside to the FCC doing it, is that I think a lot of

Re: [AFMUG] 3.65 NN License Expiry

2020-02-26 Thread Adam Moffett
Quite the opposite.  You don't know what the customer did before you got there and after you left.  And even a "small" mistake could be a $50,000 problem.  A consultant would be crazy to accept liability for FCC fines, quite the opposite:  You'd want them to sign an agreement indemnifying you f

Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: Cambium LTE

2020-02-26 Thread Mark Radabaugh
30Mhz at +49dBm versus 20Mhz at +40dBm.Some of the improvement in airtime obviously comes from the wider channel size but the bigger change was the higher power and quieter spectrum moving everyone into 6x/8x modulation. Mark > On Feb 26, 2020, at 10:53 AM, Mathew Howard wrote: > > What's

Re: [AFMUG] 3.65 NN License Expiry

2020-02-26 Thread Ken Hohhof
You’d need to dedicate an employee to go with them and identify all the equipment, log into it, etc. And then you’d have to decide if you want to audit all the bullshit paperwork stuff like did someone affix new FCC labels to Ubiquiti equipment after a firmware update or just stick the labels i

Re: [AFMUG] 3.65 NN License Expiry

2020-02-26 Thread Mark Radabaugh
There have been discussion at the WISPA board level regarding having a for-profit entity that could do things like this. There were not a lot of good ideas presented as to what the ‘for profit’ version of the organization would do that wouldn’t end up stepping on the toes of the vendor and cons

Re: [AFMUG] .6 KM shot with 1G Full Duplex

2020-02-26 Thread Kurt Fankhauser
for $5,000 the Aviat 80ghz solution is actually cheaper than AF24HD and 10x the throughput! On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 10:36 AM Mathew Howard wrote: > Good to know. That's an incredibly good deal... definitely what I'd go > with. You'll probably be paying at least that for a 1Gbps link from any of

Re: [AFMUG] .6 KM shot with 1G Full Duplex

2020-02-26 Thread Mike Hammett
and has optical interfaces and.. and... and... - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Kurt Fankhauser" To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2020 10:59:05

Re: [AFMUG] .6 KM shot with 1G Full Duplex

2020-02-26 Thread chuck
Is the range equivalent? From: Kurt Fankhauser Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2020 9:59 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] .6 KM shot with 1G Full Duplex for $5,000 the Aviat 80ghz solution is actually cheaper than AF24HD and 10x the throughput! On Wed, Feb 26, 2020

Re: [AFMUG] .6 KM shot with 1G Full Duplex

2020-02-26 Thread Mike Hammett
Depends on rain. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1bmu3Tsbj1RqtBfEGay5UarPMLK4_NF3WdtxH0WtxDjQ/edit?usp=sharing - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: ch...@wbmfg.com To: "AnimalF

Re: [AFMUG] .6 KM shot with 1G Full Duplex

2020-02-26 Thread Bill Prince
I don't think so. In moderate rain zones the AF24HD can go 2 miles, and maybe some change. I'm not sure how far you can go on 80 GHz, but I'm pretty sure it isn't that far. bp On 2/26/2020 9:08 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

Re: [AFMUG] 3.65 NN License Expiry

2020-02-26 Thread Steve Jones
It would be like any certification, paperwork documents what, specifically was certified, the mechanism and testing methodologies used, equipment used for testing, environment it was tested in. Base it off the FCC hardware certification. Indemnification for the operator against faulty testing proce

Re: [AFMUG] .6 KM shot with 1G Full Duplex

2020-02-26 Thread Josh Baird
Depends on dish size and rain zone.. there are folks who definitely have 2mi 80ghz links. On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 12:12 PM Bill Prince wrote: > I don't think so. In moderate rain zones the AF24HD can go 2 miles, and > maybe some change. I'm not sure how far you can go on 80 GHz, but I'm > pretty

Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: Cambium LTE

2020-02-26 Thread Adam Moffett
Hah... At a vendor provided training course the instructor made a big deal out of the fact that you could turn the Tx power up to +30dbm.  I brought up the NN license 1Watt/Mhz limit with him and he said "Adam if you're worrying about the EIRP limit, then you're the only one." At the time, I

Re: [AFMUG] .6 KM shot with 1G Full Duplex

2020-02-26 Thread Mike Hammett
The longest near me is around 15 miles. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Josh Baird" To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2020 11:16:59 AM Subject:

Re: [AFMUG] .6 KM shot with 1G Full Duplex

2020-02-26 Thread Cassidy B. Larson
I have an AF24HD going 9.5 miles, linking at 700M+ both ways. Bounces between 9X and 10X I also have a Siklu 80GHz with 2ft dishes going 3+ miles with 10G capacity. > On Feb 26, 2020, at 10:11 AM, Bill Prince wrote: > > I don't think so. In moderate rain zones the AF24HD can go 2 miles, a

Re: [AFMUG] .6 KM shot with 1G Full Duplex

2020-02-26 Thread Ken Hohhof
My recollection is that WISPs who have tried 24 GHz even at 2 miles have been frustrated with the performance when it rains. Maybe it depends on your definition of moderate rain zone. I think part of the problem with rain fade is that it doesn’t get 6 dB worse at twice the distance, it doub

Re: [AFMUG] .6 KM shot with 1G Full Duplex

2020-02-26 Thread Darin Steffl
Comparing distance of 24 and 80ghz is somewhat pointless. Both will drop in heavy rains even at short distances. I have a AF24 and siklu 80ghz link under a half mile that have dropped in a heavy rain before. Both will link up 5+ miles and work great until there is rain. Backups are important when

Re: [AFMUG] 3.65 NN License Expiry

2020-02-26 Thread Ken Hohhof
So kind of like WinnForum did with CBRS? They are not a TPA or a SAS vendor, but they decide the qualifications and then certify them? From: AF On Behalf Of Steve Jones Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2020 11:14 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 3.65 NN License Expi

Re: [AFMUG] .6 KM shot with 1G Full Duplex

2020-02-26 Thread Mike Hammett
https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp/posts/1152763711515746 - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: ch...@wbmfg.com To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Sent: Wednesday, February 26,

Re: [AFMUG] .6 KM shot with 1G Full Duplex

2020-02-26 Thread Dennis Burgess via AF
Or for 300 bucks you can run a MikroTik 60GHz link. http://www.linktechs.net/productcart/pc/showsearchresults.asp?pageStyle=H&resultCnt=&exact=1&keyword=wireless+wire+dish will work quite well at .6km. We have a .2 km link, snow rain, it just stays up. [LTI-Full_175px] Dennis Burgess, Mik

[AFMUG] site monitor base 3 availability?

2020-02-26 Thread Steve Jones
Its getting at the end of February, what are we looking at in availability of these bad boys? -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com

[AFMUG] OT: we now have a corollary to Florida man...

2020-02-26 Thread Bill Prince
The Florida woman. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/florida-woman-accused-zipping-boyfriend-suitcase-leaving-him-die-n1143356 -- bp -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com

[AFMUG] OT bluetooth nav

2020-02-26 Thread chuck
Anyone know how location tracking of cell phones indoors works? I believe it is based on bluetooth. Works inside airports. I see Amazon using something similar for their cashless grocery store. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com

Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: Cambium LTE

2020-02-26 Thread Josh Luthman
So you're running this CBRS with the open spectrum, right? Have you seen any issues in the 2 weeks? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 11:45 AM Mark Radabaugh wrote: > 30Mhz at +49dBm versus 20Mhz at +40dBm.

Re: [AFMUG] .6 KM shot with 1G Full Duplex

2020-02-26 Thread Kurt Fankhauser
the original post was for a .6km range, thats pretty short, im sure 80ghz would do well on that range On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 12:12 PM Bill Prince wrote: > I don't think so. In moderate rain zones the AF24HD can go 2 miles, and > maybe some change. I'm not sure how far you can go on 80 GHz, but

Re: [AFMUG] OT bluetooth nav

2020-02-26 Thread chuck
LocusLabs seems to have products for airports but they don’t describe their technology. Perhaps it is nothing more than a bunch of receivers with Doppler antennas on them triangulating signals. From: ch...@wbmfg.com Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2020 10:46 AM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: OT

Re: [AFMUG] OT bluetooth nav

2020-02-26 Thread chuck
Seems like signal strength and beamforming antennas scanning for your cell phone gets it within 1 meter. From: ch...@wbmfg.com Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2020 10:50 AM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: OT bluetooth nav LocusLabs seems to have products for airports but they don’t describe t

Re: [AFMUG] 3.65 NN License Expiry

2020-02-26 Thread Mathew Howard
True, but then any certification you did wouldn't mean much. The only way I see that you can make a certification actually mean something is if it gives them so level of guarantee that they won't get fined. Although, I guess if it's a certification that comes from an organization with enough credi

Re: [AFMUG] site monitor base 3 availability?

2020-02-26 Thread Forrest Christian (List Account)
Very close. I can't give you an exact date right this second, as there are too many moving parts which all have to come together. I'm going through and doing all the validation work at this point and cleaning up anything I find. I'm guessing the week or two after WISPAMERICA at this point but

Re: [AFMUG] site monitor base 3 availability?

2020-02-26 Thread Steve Jones
youre killin me smalls good work though, im pretty excited about this, i dont get excited much when im sober On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 12:08 PM Forrest Christian (List Account) < li...@packetflux.com> wrote: > Very close. I can't give you an exact date right this second, as there > are too many m

Re: [AFMUG] .6 KM shot with 1G Full Duplex

2020-02-26 Thread Mathew Howard
Anything that's more than ~1 mile is going to drop (at least occasionally, unless it never rains) with either 80ghz or 24ghz, and realistically, if a storm takes down an 80ghz link it's going to take down a 24ghz link to... it might only be down 5 minutes instead of 6 minutes, but it's still going

[AFMUG] Coronavirus face ID mask

2020-02-26 Thread Ken Hohhof
https://twitter.com/djbaskin/status/1228798382598000640 Or maybe Face ID algorithms can still recognize you with a mask on? -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com

Re: [AFMUG] 3.65 NN License Expiry

2020-02-26 Thread Steve Jones
If you were certified, and you received a fine, then whoever did the certification absolutely should be the one accountable. Thats the entire purpose, ensuring you are compliant. Its no different the your CPI in CBRS On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 12:02 PM Mathew Howard wrote: > True, but then any cert

Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: Cambium LTE

2020-02-26 Thread Mathew Howard
To be fair, if you were running at 30mhz under part 90, you should be able to do something like +44dBm... of course that's generally not going to be realistic in 3650-3700mhz, and it is in CBRS (for now anyway). On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 10:45 AM Mark Radabaugh wrote: > 30Mhz at +49dBm versus 20Mh

Re: [AFMUG] .6 KM shot with 1G Full Duplex

2020-02-26 Thread Bill Prince
In this area, 24 GHz works reliably at 2 to 2-1/2 miles. We have several links at these distances for years now, and they just stay up. One of them faded out this year; not from rain, but when one end of the link had the radome covered with a couple inches of snow

Re: [AFMUG] 3.65 NN License Expiry

2020-02-26 Thread Mathew Howard
I agree, but the only way for that to work is going to be lots and lots of documentation, so that when the customer does change something after the fact and gets fined, you can go back and say "that wasn't that way when it was certified". On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 12:19 PM Steve Jones wrote: > If

Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: Cambium LTE

2020-02-26 Thread Mark Radabaugh
Not too many. A few bugs in the beta code for the AP’s, nothing really a show stopper. SM upload rate limit when in NAT mode appears to be broken, but works properly in bridge mode. We are seeing AP’s rebooting somewhat randomly on the beta code when NOT running in CBRS - i.e. they have t

Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: Cambium LTE

2020-02-26 Thread David Coudron
Things have been fairly klunky for us as well. We see issues with the sync between the AP and cnMaestro getting broken every once in awhile. Basically, you have to make changes to information and wait for a day before changing again, or it seems to mess things up. Even simple changes like

Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: Cambium LTE

2020-02-26 Thread Mark Radabaugh
Is the usual corporate insanity Cambium RIF’ed some of the Regional Technical Managers (RTM’s) after missing financial targets and getting trashed by Wall Street. Not exactly a fantastic plan during a major transition for a lot of customers where the would have bene very useful in taking the lo

Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: Cambium LTE

2020-02-26 Thread Mark Radabaugh
wow… was typing that too fast. “where they would have been very useful in taking the load off" > On Feb 26, 2020, at 2:00 PM, Mark Radabaugh wrote: > > Is the usual corporate insanity Cambium RIF’ed some of the Regional Technical > Managers (RTM’s) after missing financial targets and getting

Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: Cambium LTE

2020-02-26 Thread Steve Jones
In their defense, they were very clear about the impact of changes in cnmaestro to the grants during the cbrs training. I dont know if that is stressed in the online training or not On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 12:50 PM David Coudron wrote: > Things have been fairly klunky for us as well. We see is

Re: [AFMUG] Coronavirus face ID mask

2020-02-26 Thread Lewis Bergman
creepy On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 12:19 PM Ken Hohhof wrote: > https://twitter.com/djbaskin/status/1228798382598000640 > > > > Or maybe Face ID algorithms can still recognize you with a mask on? > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > --

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium LTE

2020-02-26 Thread Jason McKemie
What APs are you using 450M, or 450i as well? I'm wondering if the 450i can do the same power output. On Wednesday, February 26, 2020, Mark Radabaugh wrote: > Not too many. > > A few bugs in the beta code for the AP’s, nothing really a show stopper. > SM upload rate limit when in NAT mode appear

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium LTE

2020-02-26 Thread Mark Radabaugh
Both 450i and 450m can run in CBRS. Only the Medusa can go to high power. Mark > On Feb 26, 2020, at 2:51 PM, Jason McKemie > wrote: > > What APs are you using 450M, or 450i as well? I'm wondering if the 450i can > do the same power output. > > On Wednesday, February 26, 2020, Mark Radabau

Re: [AFMUG] site monitor base 3 availability?

2020-02-26 Thread chuck
“February has been all about getting the work done I expected to be doing in November and December. “ Put that on my tombstone. From: Forrest Christian (List Account) Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2020 11:07 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] site monitor base 3 av

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium LTE

2020-02-26 Thread Steve Jones
we are taking the power hit on the 450i for most of our APs for the pricebreak. we have 20 some APs to replace in the next month or so, so that kind of forces that. Im looking forward to there we have the Medusas along with the Is to see what the performance differences are On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium LTE

2020-02-26 Thread Josh Baird
What are you replacing? PMP320? > On Feb 26, 2020, at 3:52 PM, Steve Jones wrote: > >  > we are taking the power hit on the 450i for most of our APs for the > pricebreak. we have 20 some APs to replace in the next month or so, so that > kind of forces that. Im looking forward to there we hav

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium LTE

2020-02-26 Thread Steve Jones
mostly 320, you need some? i got the 320s, even have 4 NIB APs ill let you have cheap lol On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 3:13 PM Josh Baird wrote: > What are you replacing? PMP320? > > On Feb 26, 2020, at 3:52 PM, Steve Jones > wrote: > >  > we are taking the power hit on the 450i for most of our AP

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium LTE

2020-02-26 Thread Ken Hohhof
There is also the power consumption issue with the 3 GHz 450m. Spec sheet says 140W typical. That’s a lot, 560 watts for 4 sectors. Especially at sites where I only have a 360 watt power supply and 1000 watt-hours of batteries. The 5 GHz 450m I think is less than half the power consumption.

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium LTE

2020-02-26 Thread Josh Baird
Haha, I’m good thanks. Was going to say we have a shit ton of it that you’re welcome to. You are finding the 450i with CBRS acceptable for some of the nLOS stuff? Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 26, 2020, at 4:33 PM, Steve Jones wrote: > >  > mostly 320, you need some? i got the 320s, even hav

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium LTE

2020-02-26 Thread George Skorup
Better put on your rectifier pants [image: image.png] On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 3:33 PM Ken Hohhof wrote: > There is also the power consumption issue with the 3 GHz 450m. Spec sheet > says 140W typical. That’s a lot, 560 watts for 4 sectors. Especially at > sites where I only have a 360 watt po

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium LTE

2020-02-26 Thread Steve Jones
Not on cnmaestro beta so we arent running it yet, we only have a minimal 450 deployment, but its good enough for the girls we go with. We will be rolling it all out these next couple months. We migrated everything we could the last few months to EPMP to keep the initial 450 costs down. EPMP, as it

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium LTE

2020-02-26 Thread Steve Jones
is that the packetflux interface? On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 4:05 PM George Skorup wrote: > Better put on your rectifier pants > [image: image.png] > > On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 3:33 PM Ken Hohhof wrote: > >> There is also the power consumption issue with the 3 GHz 450m. Spec >> sheet says 140W typ

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium LTE

2020-02-26 Thread George Skorup
Yes, RackInjetor w/ PDU card. There are, umm, a *lot* of SMs on that sector which is why it's pulling 125-140 watts. And man is that MU-MIMO puttin in work. On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 4:09 PM Steve Jones wrote: > is that the packetflux interface? > > On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 4:05 PM George Skorup

Re: [AFMUG] .6 KM shot with 1G Full Duplex

2020-02-26 Thread Kurt Fankhauser
in ohio BTW On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 5:34 PM Kurt Fankhauser wrote: > i have a couple 3 mile AF24 links (non-hd) that have been up for 6 > months never dropped once and we have had some decent rainstorms > > On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 1:22 PM Bill Prince wrote: > >> In this area, 24 GHz works relia

Re: [AFMUG] .6 KM shot with 1G Full Duplex

2020-02-26 Thread Kurt Fankhauser
i have a couple 3 mile AF24 links (non-hd) that have been up for 6 months never dropped once and we have had some decent rainstorms On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 1:22 PM Bill Prince wrote: > In this area, 24 GHz works reliably at 2 to 2-1/2 miles. We have several > links at these distances for years n

[AFMUG] NTCA

2020-02-26 Thread Matt Hoppes
Is anyone here an NTCA member? If so, have you taken advantage of their retirement and health insurance programs and if so how good are they? -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium LTE

2020-02-26 Thread Josh Baird
Do tell. Number of SM's and throughput for the sector?! On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 5:22 PM George Skorup wrote: > Yes, RackInjetor w/ PDU card. > > There are, umm, a *lot* of SMs on that sector which is why it's pulling > 125-140 watts. And man is that MU-MIMO puttin in work. > > On Wed, Feb 26, 2

Re: [AFMUG] NTCA

2020-02-26 Thread chuck
I was. I did. It was good. But if you have a decent number of employees, self insurance is a much better way to go. -Original Message- From: Matt Hoppes Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2020 4:01 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: [AFMUG] NTCA Is anyone here an NTCA memb

Re: [AFMUG] site monitor base 3 availability?

2020-02-26 Thread Forrest Christian (List Account)
Sounds like you follow the 90/90 rule of project schedules. 90% of the work takes 90% of the time, the remaining 10% of the work takes the other 90%. In my specific case, I had about a week set aside to do what I thought was a couple days of SNMP work. Basically just map everything to the corr

Re: [AFMUG] site monitor base 3 availability?

2020-02-26 Thread Ken Hohhof
I seem to remember this actual conversation. Marketing: I need the schedule. Engineering: Do you want the 50/50 date or the 90/10 date? Marketing: Give me the 50/10 date. From: AF On Behalf Of Forrest Christian (List Account) Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2020 8:57 PM To: AnimalFarm M

Re: [AFMUG] UV Resistant Label Machine

2020-02-26 Thread Jeremy
I have used the Dymo Rhino for years. The only issue that I have had with it is it will die permanently if you leave it in the truck in the winter and then try to use it while it is frozen. We only label wires inside the boxes. I have seen them start to peel from heat after a few years, but they