It's a 5-6db increase, if I remember correctly, so that could certainly be enough to make the difference in a lot of cases.
Of course there's also the fact that half of the people running Baicells radios with sectors are probably already running (illegally) at that power level anyway... On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 7:50 AM Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote: > Is the CBRS power that much higher where a 450 at CBRS power makes up for > the lack of nLOS capability as compared to LTE on NN? > > Obviously LTE at CBRS power would be that much better, but maybe it's a > good fit where people need just a little more nLOS capability than 450 > provides and the extra power gets that for them. > > > > ----- > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> > <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> > <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> > <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> > The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> > > > <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> > ------------------------------ > *From: *"Matt Mangriotis via AF" <af@af.afmug.com> > *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <af@af.afmug.com> > *Cc: *"Matt Mangriotis" <matt.mangrio...@cambiumnetworks.com> > *Sent: *Tuesday, February 25, 2020 3:59:25 PM > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: Cambium LTE > > I completely understand your skepticism Ken. However, Cambium did design > the 3 GHz 450m with every intention of being able to support a transition > to LTE (specifically, as a RRH with cnRanger). The intent is for this > device to be a fully capable 8x8 MU-MIMO. Yes, you’ve got that right > though, you’ll need new CPE devices and a BBU for each sector. > > > > We don’t have a target date when this will be developed yet… right now, > we’re focused on getting the cnRanger CBRS 2x2 RRH and High Gain Cat 6 CPE > devices out in August! > > > > With respect to NLOS coverage, I will agree that 450 is not quite on par > with some of the things that LTE brings to the table (regarding range and > the ability to maintain the downlink). However, with the increased power > limits of CBRS, the 450m does an admirable job. In fact, in comparing > equipment cost and performance, I would suggest that the 450 platform > outperforms anything out there. That is, it’s less expensive to get > bandwidth where it needs to be (at a higher rate, and to more customers). > If the customer density can support the cost of cnMedusa, you’re going to > be better off from total cost of ownership (both CapEx and OpEx) > perspective. > > > > The new 3GHz 450b High Gain has 29 dBm Tx Pwr, and a 20 dBi dish > integrated antenna… this is pretty impressive for CBRS CPE equipment (most > of the high gain/high power LTE stuff I see is only going to be 23 dBm Tx, > plus 15 dBi antenna). > > > > There are several customers out there that have done these comparisons… > hopefully, they can chime in. > > > > Matt > > > > *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of * Ken Hohhof > *Sent:* Monday, February 24, 2020 7:06 PM > *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' <af@af.afmug.com> > *Subject:* [ External ] Re: [AFMUG] Cambium LTE > > > > You should probably talk to someone at Cambium, unless someone here has > already done that. There was talk 1-2 years ago about 450m is software > defined so maybe they could use it as a remote radio head with their > cnRanger LTE BaseBand Unit (BBU). It has been pretty quiet since then, but > I haven’t been able to make it to the shows. > > > > Without an update directly from the horse’s mouth like Matt at Cambium, or > some kind of announcement, I wouldn’t hold my breath. Back in 2018 it was > in the realm of “it would be nice”. That’s pretty tentative. Plus you’d > still have to buy the BBU and new CPE, so it doesn’t sound like a huge > savings anyway, still 2/3 of a forklift upgrade. I mean, if it turned out > that the 3 GHz cnRanger RRH was literally a 450m, that would probably be > the best case, but how likely do you think that is? > > > > This is just my personal speculation, if it’s an important part of a > decision you’re making now, you probably need to get hold of your Cambium > regional sales manager, or the 450 or cnRanger product manager. If you’re > going to WISPAmerica, you can probably do it there. > > > > > > *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Jason McKemie > *Sent:* Monday, February 24, 2020 6:03 PM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cambium LTE > > > > So the 450M is supposed to be LTE upgradable? > > > > On Mon, Feb 24, 2020 at 3:45 PM Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > Something aboit the medusa top can be used with cnranger potentially with > a fiber run and a software update > > > > On Mon, Feb 24, 2020, 3:38 PM Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote: > > In my opinion, 450 is better than Baicells or Telrad LTE at everything > except NLOS performance. > > ....Except that NLOS performance is so useful that one can be tempted to > ignore all of the other features of the 450. I do understand that tradeoff > because I've had to make it myself. > > > > On 2/24/2020 4:30 PM, David Williamson wrote: > > 450 3.65Ghz vs. Baicells 3.65Ghz LTE = no comparison. All but one of the > 450 APs are already removed from our network. I am just trying to > determine if the SMs will be usable on Cambium LTE once they roll it out, > or if it will require a completely different SM. > > > David > > > > *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com <af-boun...@af.afmug.com>] *On > Behalf Of *Jason McKemie > *Sent:* Monday, February 24, 2020 4:28 PM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cambium LTE > > > > Why are you getting rid of 3.65 Cambium in favor of LTE? > > On Monday, February 24, 2020, David Williamson < > dwilliam...@customcomputersva.com> wrote: > > Will the Cambium 3.65 LTE have a completely new SM or will it use the > existing 450SM's? Trying to determine if I should keep our 450SM's or just > go ahead and sell them to one of our secondary market distributors along > with our 450 AP's. > > Thanks! > > David Williamson > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett > Sent: Monday, February 24, 2020 1:57 PM > To: af@af.afmug.com > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium LTE > > I think I heard next quarter for the 3.5. > > On 2/24/2020 1:48 PM, Jeff Broadwick - Lists wrote: > > 3.5 isn’t available yet. > > > > I believe that 2.5 can be purchased. > > > > Jeff Broadwick > > CTIconnect > > 312-205-2519 Office > > 574-220-7826 Cell > > jbroadw...@cticonnect.com > > > >> On Feb 24, 2020, at 12:44 PM, Avatar Davis <acd...@mail.harvard.edu> > wrote: > >> > >> Does anyone have experience with Cambium LTE? I am highly dissatisfied > with my current manufacturer and was wondering if anyone had experience > using/demoing their product line. 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