Not on cnmaestro beta so we arent running it yet, we only have a minimal 450 deployment, but its good enough for the girls we go with. We will be rolling it all out these next couple months. We migrated everything we could the last few months to EPMP to keep the initial 450 costs down. EPMP, as it turns out is crazy good
On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 4:04 PM Josh Baird <joshba...@gmail.com> wrote: > Haha, I’m good thanks. Was going to say we have a shit ton of it that > you’re welcome to. > > You are finding the 450i with CBRS acceptable for some of the nLOS stuff? > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Feb 26, 2020, at 4:33 PM, Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > mostly 320, you need some? i got the 320s, even have 4 NIB APs ill let you > have cheap lol > > On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 3:13 PM Josh Baird <joshba...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> What are you replacing? PMP320? >> >> On Feb 26, 2020, at 3:52 PM, Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> >> we are taking the power hit on the 450i for most of our APs for the >> pricebreak. we have 20 some APs to replace in the next month or so, so that >> kind of forces that. Im looking forward to there we have the Medusas along >> with the Is to see what the performance differences are >> >> On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 1:58 PM Mark Radabaugh <m...@amplex.net> wrote: >> >>> Both 450i and 450m can run in CBRS. Only the Medusa can go to high >>> power. >>> >>> Mark >>> >>> On Feb 26, 2020, at 2:51 PM, Jason McKemie < >>> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote: >>> >>> What APs are you using 450M, or 450i as well? I'm wondering if the 450i >>> can do the same power output. >>> >>> On Wednesday, February 26, 2020, Mark Radabaugh <m...@amplex.net> wrote: >>> >>>> Not too many. >>>> >>>> A few bugs in the beta code for the AP’s, nothing really a show >>>> stopper. SM upload rate limit when in NAT mode appears to be broken, but >>>> works properly in bridge mode. We are seeing AP’s rebooting somewhat >>>> randomly on the beta code when NOT running in CBRS - i.e. they have the >>>> beta code loaded but are not switched to CBRS operation yet. I don’t >>>> think we have seen any crash reboots on the AP’s with beta code that ARE >>>> running in CBRS mode though. >>>> >>>> Grants / SAS / CNMaestro don’t seem to have many issues. Things are >>>> still a bit klunky and having to deal with CPAS more often that I would >>>> expect is a nuisance but it’s functional. >>>> >>>> Mark >>>> >>>> On Feb 26, 2020, at 12:48 PM, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> So you're running this CBRS with the open spectrum, right? Have you >>>> seen any issues in the 2 weeks? >>>> >>>> Josh Luthman >>>> Office: 937-552-2340 >>>> Direct: 937-552-2343 >>>> 1100 Wayne St >>>> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/1100+Wayne+St+Suite+1337+Troy,+OH+45373?entry=gmail&source=g> >>>> Suite 1337 >>>> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/1100+Wayne+St+Suite+1337+Troy,+OH+45373?entry=gmail&source=g> >>>> Troy, OH 45373 >>>> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/1100+Wayne+St+Suite+1337+Troy,+OH+45373?entry=gmail&source=g> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 11:45 AM Mark Radabaugh <m...@amplex.net> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> 30Mhz at +49dBm versus 20Mhz at +40dBm. Some of the improvement in >>>>> airtime obviously comes from the wider channel size but the bigger change >>>>> was the higher power and quieter spectrum moving everyone into 6x/8x >>>>> modulation. >>>>> >>>>> Mark >>>>> >>>>> On Feb 26, 2020, at 10:53 AM, Mathew Howard <mhoward...@gmail.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> What's the actual TX power in that case before and after? I thought >>>>> the number I had heard for CBRS was 47db EIRP in a 20mhz channel... >>>>> although I have no idea where that number came from, so it could very well >>>>> be wrong . >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 9:26 AM Mark Radabaugh <m...@amplex.net> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Way more than 5db, 10dB is more realistic. This is a typical >>>>>> customer off a 450m 3.65 CBRS AP running at full power: >>>>>> >>>>>> <PastedGraphic-1.png> >>>>>> >>>>>> Even more interesting: >>>>>> >>>>>> <PastedGraphic-2.png> >>>>>> >>>>>> This shows frame utilization of the 450m before and after the switch >>>>>> to CBRS. The higher power and cleaner spectrum greatly increased the >>>>>> modulation of the customers resulting in greatly reduced airtime >>>>>> utilization. >>>>>> >>>>>> Mark >>>>>> >>>>>> On Feb 26, 2020, at 10:14 AM, Mathew Howard <mhoward...@gmail.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> It's a 5-6db increase, if I remember correctly, so that could >>>>>> certainly be enough to make the difference in a lot of cases. >>>>>> >>>>>> Of course there's also the fact that half of the people running >>>>>> Baicells radios with sectors are probably already running (illegally) at >>>>>> that power level anyway... >>>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 7:50 AM Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Is the CBRS power that much higher where a 450 at CBRS power makes >>>>>>> up for the lack of nLOS capability as compared to LTE on NN? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Obviously LTE at CBRS power would be that much better, but maybe >>>>>>> it's a good fit where people need just a little more nLOS capability >>>>>>> than >>>>>>> 450 provides and the extra power gets that for them. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ----- >>>>>>> Mike Hammett >>>>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >>>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>>>>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> >>>>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> >>>>>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >>>>>>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> >>>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> >>>>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> >>>>>>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >>>>>>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> >>>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> >>>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>>> *From: *"Matt Mangriotis via AF" <af@af.afmug.com> >>>>>>> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <af@af.afmug.com> >>>>>>> *Cc: *"Matt Mangriotis" <matt.mangrio...@cambiumnetworks.com> >>>>>>> *Sent: *Tuesday, February 25, 2020 3:59:25 PM >>>>>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: Cambium LTE >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I completely understand your skepticism Ken. However, Cambium did >>>>>>> design the 3 GHz 450m with every intention of being able to support a >>>>>>> transition to LTE (specifically, as a RRH with cnRanger). The intent is >>>>>>> for >>>>>>> this device to be a fully capable 8x8 MU-MIMO. Yes, you’ve got that >>>>>>> right >>>>>>> though, you’ll need new CPE devices and a BBU for each sector. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> We don’t have a target date when this will be developed yet… right >>>>>>> now, we’re focused on getting the cnRanger CBRS 2x2 RRH and High Gain >>>>>>> Cat 6 >>>>>>> CPE devices out in August! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> With respect to NLOS coverage, I will agree that 450 is not quite on >>>>>>> par with some of the things that LTE brings to the table (regarding >>>>>>> range >>>>>>> and the ability to maintain the downlink). However, with the increased >>>>>>> power limits of CBRS, the 450m does an admirable job. In fact, in >>>>>>> comparing >>>>>>> equipment cost and performance, I would suggest that the 450 platform >>>>>>> outperforms anything out there. That is, it’s less expensive to get >>>>>>> bandwidth where it needs to be (at a higher rate, and to more >>>>>>> customers). >>>>>>> If the customer density can support the cost of cnMedusa, you’re going >>>>>>> to >>>>>>> be better off from total cost of ownership (both CapEx and OpEx) >>>>>>> perspective. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The new 3GHz 450b High Gain has 29 dBm Tx Pwr, and a 20 dBi dish >>>>>>> integrated antenna… this is pretty impressive for CBRS CPE equipment >>>>>>> (most >>>>>>> of the high gain/high power LTE stuff I see is only going to be 23 dBm >>>>>>> Tx, >>>>>>> plus 15 dBi antenna). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> There are several customers out there that have done these >>>>>>> comparisons… hopefully, they can chime in. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Matt >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of * Ken Hohhof >>>>>>> *Sent:* Monday, February 24, 2020 7:06 PM >>>>>>> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' <af@af.afmug.com> >>>>>>> *Subject:* [ External ] Re: [AFMUG] Cambium LTE >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> You should probably talk to someone at Cambium, unless someone here >>>>>>> has already done that. There was talk 1-2 years ago about 450m is >>>>>>> software >>>>>>> defined so maybe they could use it as a remote radio head with their >>>>>>> cnRanger LTE BaseBand Unit (BBU). It has been pretty quiet since then, >>>>>>> but >>>>>>> I haven’t been able to make it to the shows. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Without an update directly from the horse’s mouth like Matt at >>>>>>> Cambium, or some kind of announcement, I wouldn’t hold my breath. Back >>>>>>> in >>>>>>> 2018 it was in the realm of “it would be nice”. That’s pretty >>>>>>> tentative. >>>>>>> Plus you’d still have to buy the BBU and new CPE, so it doesn’t sound >>>>>>> like >>>>>>> a huge savings anyway, still 2/3 of a forklift upgrade. I mean, if it >>>>>>> turned out that the 3 GHz cnRanger RRH was literally a 450m, that would >>>>>>> probably be the best case, but how likely do you think that is? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> This is just my personal speculation, if it’s an important part of a >>>>>>> decision you’re making now, you probably need to get hold of your >>>>>>> Cambium >>>>>>> regional sales manager, or the 450 or cnRanger product manager. If >>>>>>> you’re >>>>>>> going to WISPAmerica, you can probably do it there. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Jason McKemie >>>>>>> *Sent:* Monday, February 24, 2020 6:03 PM >>>>>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com> >>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cambium LTE >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> So the 450M is supposed to be LTE upgradable? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mon, Feb 24, 2020 at 3:45 PM Steve Jones < >>>>>>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Something aboit the medusa top can be used with cnranger potentially >>>>>>> with a fiber run and a software update >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mon, Feb 24, 2020, 3:38 PM Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> In my opinion, 450 is better than Baicells or Telrad LTE at >>>>>>> everything except NLOS performance. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ....Except that NLOS performance is so useful that one can be >>>>>>> tempted to ignore all of the other features of the 450. I do understand >>>>>>> that tradeoff because I've had to make it myself. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 2/24/2020 4:30 PM, David Williamson wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 450 3.65Ghz vs. Baicells 3.65Ghz LTE = no comparison. All but one >>>>>>> of the 450 APs are already removed from our network. I am just trying >>>>>>> to >>>>>>> determine if the SMs will be usable on Cambium LTE once they roll it >>>>>>> out, >>>>>>> or if it will require a completely different SM. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> David >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com <af-boun...@af.afmug.com>] >>>>>>> *On Behalf Of *Jason McKemie >>>>>>> *Sent:* Monday, February 24, 2020 4:28 PM >>>>>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cambium LTE >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Why are you getting rid of 3.65 Cambium in favor of LTE? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Monday, February 24, 2020, David Williamson < >>>>>>> dwilliam...@customcomputersva.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Will the Cambium 3.65 LTE have a completely new SM or will it use >>>>>>> the existing 450SM's? Trying to determine if I should keep our 450SM's >>>>>>> or >>>>>>> just go ahead and sell them to one of our secondary market distributors >>>>>>> along with our 450 AP's. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> David Williamson >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>> From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett >>>>>>> Sent: Monday, February 24, 2020 1:57 PM >>>>>>> To: af@af.afmug.com >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium LTE >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I think I heard next quarter for the 3.5. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 2/24/2020 1:48 PM, Jeff Broadwick - Lists wrote: >>>>>>> > 3.5 isn’t available yet. >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > I believe that 2.5 can be purchased. >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > Jeff Broadwick >>>>>>> > CTIconnect >>>>>>> > 312-205-2519 Office >>>>>>> > 574-220-7826 Cell >>>>>>> > jbroadw...@cticonnect.com >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> >> On Feb 24, 2020, at 12:44 PM, Avatar Davis < >>>>>>> acd...@mail.harvard.edu> wrote: >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> Does anyone have experience with Cambium LTE? 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