mostly 320, you need some? i got the 320s, even have 4 NIB APs ill let you have cheap lol
On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 3:13 PM Josh Baird <joshba...@gmail.com> wrote: > What are you replacing? PMP320? > > On Feb 26, 2020, at 3:52 PM, Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > we are taking the power hit on the 450i for most of our APs for the > pricebreak. we have 20 some APs to replace in the next month or so, so that > kind of forces that. Im looking forward to there we have the Medusas along > with the Is to see what the performance differences are > > On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 1:58 PM Mark Radabaugh <m...@amplex.net> wrote: > >> Both 450i and 450m can run in CBRS. Only the Medusa can go to high >> power. >> >> Mark >> >> On Feb 26, 2020, at 2:51 PM, Jason McKemie < >> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote: >> >> What APs are you using 450M, or 450i as well? I'm wondering if the 450i >> can do the same power output. >> >> On Wednesday, February 26, 2020, Mark Radabaugh <m...@amplex.net> wrote: >> >>> Not too many. >>> >>> A few bugs in the beta code for the AP’s, nothing really a show stopper. >>> SM upload rate limit when in NAT mode appears to be broken, but works >>> properly in bridge mode. We are seeing AP’s rebooting somewhat randomly >>> on the beta code when NOT running in CBRS - i.e. they have the beta code >>> loaded but are not switched to CBRS operation yet. I don’t think we have >>> seen any crash reboots on the AP’s with beta code that ARE running in CBRS >>> mode though. >>> >>> Grants / SAS / CNMaestro don’t seem to have many issues. Things are >>> still a bit klunky and having to deal with CPAS more often that I would >>> expect is a nuisance but it’s functional. >>> >>> Mark >>> >>> On Feb 26, 2020, at 12:48 PM, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>> So you're running this CBRS with the open spectrum, right? Have you >>> seen any issues in the 2 weeks? >>> >>> Josh Luthman >>> Office: 937-552-2340 >>> Direct: 937-552-2343 >>> 1100 Wayne St >>> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/1100+Wayne+St+Suite+1337+Troy,+OH+45373?entry=gmail&source=g> >>> Suite 1337 >>> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/1100+Wayne+St+Suite+1337+Troy,+OH+45373?entry=gmail&source=g> >>> Troy, OH 45373 >>> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/1100+Wayne+St+Suite+1337+Troy,+OH+45373?entry=gmail&source=g> >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 11:45 AM Mark Radabaugh <m...@amplex.net> wrote: >>> >>>> 30Mhz at +49dBm versus 20Mhz at +40dBm. Some of the improvement in >>>> airtime obviously comes from the wider channel size but the bigger change >>>> was the higher power and quieter spectrum moving everyone into 6x/8x >>>> modulation. >>>> >>>> Mark >>>> >>>> On Feb 26, 2020, at 10:53 AM, Mathew Howard <mhoward...@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> What's the actual TX power in that case before and after? I thought the >>>> number I had heard for CBRS was 47db EIRP in a 20mhz channel... although I >>>> have no idea where that number came from, so it could very well be wrong . >>>> >>>> On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 9:26 AM Mark Radabaugh <m...@amplex.net> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Way more than 5db, 10dB is more realistic. This is a typical >>>>> customer off a 450m 3.65 CBRS AP running at full power: >>>>> >>>>> <PastedGraphic-1.png> >>>>> >>>>> Even more interesting: >>>>> >>>>> <PastedGraphic-2.png> >>>>> >>>>> This shows frame utilization of the 450m before and after the switch >>>>> to CBRS. The higher power and cleaner spectrum greatly increased the >>>>> modulation of the customers resulting in greatly reduced airtime >>>>> utilization. >>>>> >>>>> Mark >>>>> >>>>> On Feb 26, 2020, at 10:14 AM, Mathew Howard <mhoward...@gmail.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> It's a 5-6db increase, if I remember correctly, so that could >>>>> certainly be enough to make the difference in a lot of cases. >>>>> >>>>> Of course there's also the fact that half of the people running >>>>> Baicells radios with sectors are probably already running (illegally) at >>>>> that power level anyway... >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 7:50 AM Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Is the CBRS power that much higher where a 450 at CBRS power makes up >>>>>> for the lack of nLOS capability as compared to LTE on NN? >>>>>> >>>>>> Obviously LTE at CBRS power would be that much better, but maybe it's >>>>>> a good fit where people need just a little more nLOS capability than 450 >>>>>> provides and the extra power gets that for them. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ----- >>>>>> Mike Hammett >>>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>>>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> >>>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> >>>>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >>>>>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> >>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> >>>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> >>>>>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >>>>>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> >>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> >>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>> *From: *"Matt Mangriotis via AF" <af@af.afmug.com> >>>>>> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <af@af.afmug.com> >>>>>> *Cc: *"Matt Mangriotis" <matt.mangrio...@cambiumnetworks.com> >>>>>> *Sent: *Tuesday, February 25, 2020 3:59:25 PM >>>>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: Cambium LTE >>>>>> >>>>>> I completely understand your skepticism Ken. However, Cambium did >>>>>> design the 3 GHz 450m with every intention of being able to support a >>>>>> transition to LTE (specifically, as a RRH with cnRanger). The intent is >>>>>> for >>>>>> this device to be a fully capable 8x8 MU-MIMO. Yes, you’ve got that right >>>>>> though, you’ll need new CPE devices and a BBU for each sector. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> We don’t have a target date when this will be developed yet… right >>>>>> now, we’re focused on getting the cnRanger CBRS 2x2 RRH and High Gain >>>>>> Cat 6 >>>>>> CPE devices out in August! >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> With respect to NLOS coverage, I will agree that 450 is not quite on >>>>>> par with some of the things that LTE brings to the table (regarding range >>>>>> and the ability to maintain the downlink). However, with the increased >>>>>> power limits of CBRS, the 450m does an admirable job. In fact, in >>>>>> comparing >>>>>> equipment cost and performance, I would suggest that the 450 platform >>>>>> outperforms anything out there. That is, it’s less expensive to get >>>>>> bandwidth where it needs to be (at a higher rate, and to more customers). >>>>>> If the customer density can support the cost of cnMedusa, you’re going to >>>>>> be better off from total cost of ownership (both CapEx and OpEx) >>>>>> perspective. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> The new 3GHz 450b High Gain has 29 dBm Tx Pwr, and a 20 dBi dish >>>>>> integrated antenna… this is pretty impressive for CBRS CPE equipment >>>>>> (most >>>>>> of the high gain/high power LTE stuff I see is only going to be 23 dBm >>>>>> Tx, >>>>>> plus 15 dBi antenna). >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> There are several customers out there that have done these >>>>>> comparisons… hopefully, they can chime in. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Matt >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of * Ken Hohhof >>>>>> *Sent:* Monday, February 24, 2020 7:06 PM >>>>>> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' <af@af.afmug.com> >>>>>> *Subject:* [ External ] Re: [AFMUG] Cambium LTE >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> You should probably talk to someone at Cambium, unless someone here >>>>>> has already done that. There was talk 1-2 years ago about 450m is >>>>>> software >>>>>> defined so maybe they could use it as a remote radio head with their >>>>>> cnRanger LTE BaseBand Unit (BBU). It has been pretty quiet since then, >>>>>> but >>>>>> I haven’t been able to make it to the shows. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Without an update directly from the horse’s mouth like Matt at >>>>>> Cambium, or some kind of announcement, I wouldn’t hold my breath. Back >>>>>> in >>>>>> 2018 it was in the realm of “it would be nice”. That’s pretty tentative. >>>>>> Plus you’d still have to buy the BBU and new CPE, so it doesn’t sound >>>>>> like >>>>>> a huge savings anyway, still 2/3 of a forklift upgrade. I mean, if it >>>>>> turned out that the 3 GHz cnRanger RRH was literally a 450m, that would >>>>>> probably be the best case, but how likely do you think that is? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> This is just my personal speculation, if it’s an important part of a >>>>>> decision you’re making now, you probably need to get hold of your Cambium >>>>>> regional sales manager, or the 450 or cnRanger product manager. If >>>>>> you’re >>>>>> going to WISPAmerica, you can probably do it there. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Jason McKemie >>>>>> *Sent:* Monday, February 24, 2020 6:03 PM >>>>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com> >>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cambium LTE >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> So the 450M is supposed to be LTE upgradable? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, Feb 24, 2020 at 3:45 PM Steve Jones < >>>>>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Something aboit the medusa top can be used with cnranger potentially >>>>>> with a fiber run and a software update >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, Feb 24, 2020, 3:38 PM Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> In my opinion, 450 is better than Baicells or Telrad LTE at >>>>>> everything except NLOS performance. >>>>>> >>>>>> ....Except that NLOS performance is so useful that one can be tempted >>>>>> to ignore all of the other features of the 450. I do understand that >>>>>> tradeoff because I've had to make it myself. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 2/24/2020 4:30 PM, David Williamson wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> 450 3.65Ghz vs. Baicells 3.65Ghz LTE = no comparison. All but one of >>>>>> the 450 APs are already removed from our network. I am just trying to >>>>>> determine if the SMs will be usable on Cambium LTE once they roll it out, >>>>>> or if it will require a completely different SM. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> David >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com <af-boun...@af.afmug.com>] >>>>>> *On Behalf Of *Jason McKemie >>>>>> *Sent:* Monday, February 24, 2020 4:28 PM >>>>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cambium LTE >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Why are you getting rid of 3.65 Cambium in favor of LTE? >>>>>> >>>>>> On Monday, February 24, 2020, David Williamson < >>>>>> dwilliam...@customcomputersva.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Will the Cambium 3.65 LTE have a completely new SM or will it use the >>>>>> existing 450SM's? Trying to determine if I should keep our 450SM's or >>>>>> just >>>>>> go ahead and sell them to one of our secondary market distributors along >>>>>> with our 450 AP's. >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks! >>>>>> >>>>>> David Williamson >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett >>>>>> Sent: Monday, February 24, 2020 1:57 PM >>>>>> To: af@af.afmug.com >>>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium LTE >>>>>> >>>>>> I think I heard next quarter for the 3.5. >>>>>> >>>>>> On 2/24/2020 1:48 PM, Jeff Broadwick - Lists wrote: >>>>>> > 3.5 isn’t available yet. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > I believe that 2.5 can be purchased. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > Jeff Broadwick >>>>>> > CTIconnect >>>>>> > 312-205-2519 Office >>>>>> > 574-220-7826 Cell >>>>>> > jbroadw...@cticonnect.com >>>>>> > >>>>>> >> On Feb 24, 2020, at 12:44 PM, Avatar Davis < >>>>>> acd...@mail.harvard.edu> wrote: >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> Does anyone have experience with Cambium LTE? 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