Do tell. Number of SM's and throughput for the sector?! On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 5:22 PM George Skorup <gsko...@surfbroadband.com> wrote:
> Yes, RackInjetor w/ PDU card. > > There are, umm, a *lot* of SMs on that sector which is why it's pulling > 125-140 watts. And man is that MU-MIMO puttin in work. > > On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 4:09 PM Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> is that the packetflux interface? >> >> On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 4:05 PM George Skorup <gsko...@surfbroadband.com> >> wrote: >> >>> Better put on your rectifier pants >>> [image: image.png] >>> >>> On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 3:33 PM Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote: >>> >>>> There is also the power consumption issue with the 3 GHz 450m. Spec >>>> sheet says 140W typical. That’s a lot, 560 watts for 4 sectors. >>>> Especially at sites where I only have a 360 watt power supply and 1000 >>>> watt-hours of batteries. The 5 GHz 450m I think is less than half the >>>> power consumption. Presumably the difference is the power amps. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Under Part 90 it would have been even more painful to deploy Medusas, >>>> since we couldn’t even use the higher xmt power. All my 3 GHz 450 APs were >>>> deployed over a year ago. With all the uncertainty over where CBRS was >>>> going, whether the mobile guys would totally take it away from us, and >>>> whether we would have to do a forklift upgrade of the Cambium equipment, we >>>> really dialed back deployment the past 1-2 years. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Josh Baird >>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 26, 2020 3:13 PM >>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com> >>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cambium LTE >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> What are you replacing? PMP320? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Feb 26, 2020, at 3:52 PM, Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> we are taking the power hit on the 450i for most of our APs for the >>>> pricebreak. we have 20 some APs to replace in the next month or so, so that >>>> kind of forces that. Im looking forward to there we have the Medusas along >>>> with the Is to see what the performance differences are >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 1:58 PM Mark Radabaugh <m...@amplex.net> wrote: >>>> >>>> Both 450i and 450m can run in CBRS. Only the Medusa can go to high >>>> power. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Mark >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Feb 26, 2020, at 2:51 PM, Jason McKemie < >>>> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> What APs are you using 450M, or 450i as well? I'm wondering if the 450i >>>> can do the same power output. >>>> >>>> On Wednesday, February 26, 2020, Mark Radabaugh <m...@amplex.net> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Not too many. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> A few bugs in the beta code for the AP’s, nothing really a show >>>> stopper. SM upload rate limit when in NAT mode appears to be broken, but >>>> works properly in bridge mode. We are seeing AP’s rebooting somewhat >>>> randomly on the beta code when NOT running in CBRS - i.e. they have the >>>> beta code loaded but are not switched to CBRS operation yet. I don’t >>>> think we have seen any crash reboots on the AP’s with beta code that ARE >>>> running in CBRS mode though. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Grants / SAS / CNMaestro don’t seem to have many issues. Things are >>>> still a bit klunky and having to deal with CPAS more often that I would >>>> expect is a nuisance but it’s functional. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Mark >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Feb 26, 2020, at 12:48 PM, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> So you're running this CBRS with the open spectrum, right? Have you >>>> seen any issues in the 2 weeks? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Josh Luthman >>>> Office: 937-552-2340 >>>> Direct: 937-552-2343 >>>> 1100 Wayne St >>>> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/1100+Wayne+St+Suite+1337+Troy,+OH+45373?entry=gmail&source=g> >>>> Suite 1337 >>>> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/1100+Wayne+St+Suite+1337+Troy,+OH+45373?entry=gmail&source=g> >>>> Troy, OH 45373 >>>> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/1100+Wayne+St+Suite+1337+Troy,+OH+45373?entry=gmail&source=g> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 11:45 AM Mark Radabaugh <m...@amplex.net> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> 30Mhz at +49dBm versus 20Mhz at +40dBm. Some of the improvement in >>>> airtime obviously comes from the wider channel size but the bigger change >>>> was the higher power and quieter spectrum moving everyone into 6x/8x >>>> modulation. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Mark >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Feb 26, 2020, at 10:53 AM, Mathew Howard <mhoward...@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> What's the actual TX power in that case before and after? I thought the >>>> number I had heard for CBRS was 47db EIRP in a 20mhz channel... although I >>>> have no idea where that number came from, so it could very well be wrong . >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 9:26 AM Mark Radabaugh <m...@amplex.net> wrote: >>>> >>>> Way more than 5db, 10dB is more realistic. This is a typical customer >>>> off a 450m 3.65 CBRS AP running at full power: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> <PastedGraphic-1.png> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Even more interesting: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> <PastedGraphic-2.png> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> This shows frame utilization of the 450m before and after the switch to >>>> CBRS. The higher power and cleaner spectrum greatly increased the >>>> modulation of the customers resulting in greatly reduced airtime >>>> utilization. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Mark >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Feb 26, 2020, at 10:14 AM, Mathew Howard <mhoward...@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> It's a 5-6db increase, if I remember correctly, so that could certainly >>>> be enough to make the difference in a lot of cases. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Of course there's also the fact that half of the people running >>>> Baicells radios with sectors are probably already running (illegally) at >>>> that power level anyway... >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 7:50 AM Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote: >>>> >>>> Is the CBRS power that much higher where a 450 at CBRS power makes up >>>> for the lack of nLOS capability as compared to LTE on NN? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Obviously LTE at CBRS power would be that much better, but maybe it's a >>>> good fit where people need just a little more nLOS capability than 450 >>>> provides and the extra power gets that for them. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- >>>> Mike Hammett >>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> >>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> >>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >>>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> >>>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> >>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> >>>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >>>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> >>>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> >>>> >>>> >>>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> >>>> *From: *"Matt Mangriotis via AF" <af@af.afmug.com> >>>> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <af@af.afmug.com> >>>> *Cc: *"Matt Mangriotis" <matt.mangrio...@cambiumnetworks.com> >>>> *Sent: *Tuesday, February 25, 2020 3:59:25 PM >>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: Cambium LTE >>>> >>>> I completely understand your skepticism Ken. However, Cambium did >>>> design the 3 GHz 450m with every intention of being able to support a >>>> transition to LTE (specifically, as a RRH with cnRanger). The intent is for >>>> this device to be a fully capable 8x8 MU-MIMO. Yes, you’ve got that right >>>> though, you’ll need new CPE devices and a BBU for each sector. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> We don’t have a target date when this will be developed yet… right now, >>>> we’re focused on getting the cnRanger CBRS 2x2 RRH and High Gain Cat 6 CPE >>>> devices out in August! >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> With respect to NLOS coverage, I will agree that 450 is not quite on >>>> par with some of the things that LTE brings to the table (regarding range >>>> and the ability to maintain the downlink). However, with the increased >>>> power limits of CBRS, the 450m does an admirable job. In fact, in comparing >>>> equipment cost and performance, I would suggest that the 450 platform >>>> outperforms anything out there. That is, it’s less expensive to get >>>> bandwidth where it needs to be (at a higher rate, and to more customers). >>>> If the customer density can support the cost of cnMedusa, you’re going to >>>> be better off from total cost of ownership (both CapEx and OpEx) >>>> perspective. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> The new 3GHz 450b High Gain has 29 dBm Tx Pwr, and a 20 dBi dish >>>> integrated antenna… this is pretty impressive for CBRS CPE equipment (most >>>> of the high gain/high power LTE stuff I see is only going to be 23 dBm Tx, >>>> plus 15 dBi antenna). >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> There are several customers out there that have done these comparisons… >>>> hopefully, they can chime in. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Matt >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof >>>> *Sent:* Monday, February 24, 2020 7:06 PM >>>> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' <af@af.afmug.com> >>>> *Subject:* [ External ] Re: [AFMUG] Cambium LTE >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> You should probably talk to someone at Cambium, unless someone here has >>>> already done that. There was talk 1-2 years ago about 450m is software >>>> defined so maybe they could use it as a remote radio head with their >>>> cnRanger LTE BaseBand Unit (BBU). It has been pretty quiet since then, but >>>> I haven’t been able to make it to the shows. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Without an update directly from the horse’s mouth like Matt at Cambium, >>>> or some kind of announcement, I wouldn’t hold my breath. Back in 2018 it >>>> was in the realm of “it would be nice”. That’s pretty tentative. Plus >>>> you’d still have to buy the BBU and new CPE, so it doesn’t sound like a >>>> huge savings anyway, still 2/3 of a forklift upgrade. I mean, if it turned >>>> out that the 3 GHz cnRanger RRH was literally a 450m, that would probably >>>> be the best case, but how likely do you think that is? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> This is just my personal speculation, if it’s an important part of a >>>> decision you’re making now, you probably need to get hold of your Cambium >>>> regional sales manager, or the 450 or cnRanger product manager. If you’re >>>> going to WISPAmerica, you can probably do it there. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Jason McKemie >>>> *Sent:* Monday, February 24, 2020 6:03 PM >>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com> >>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cambium LTE >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> So the 450M is supposed to be LTE upgradable? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Mon, Feb 24, 2020 at 3:45 PM Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Something aboit the medusa top can be used with cnranger potentially >>>> with a fiber run and a software update >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Mon, Feb 24, 2020, 3:38 PM Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> In my opinion, 450 is better than Baicells or Telrad LTE at everything >>>> except NLOS performance. >>>> >>>> ....Except that NLOS performance is so useful that one can be tempted >>>> to ignore all of the other features of the 450. I do understand that >>>> tradeoff because I've had to make it myself. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 2/24/2020 4:30 PM, David Williamson wrote: >>>> >>>> 450 3.65Ghz vs. Baicells 3.65Ghz LTE = no comparison. All but one of >>>> the 450 APs are already removed from our network. I am just trying to >>>> determine if the SMs will be usable on Cambium LTE once they roll it out, >>>> or if it will require a completely different SM. >>>> >>>> >>>> David >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com <af-boun...@af.afmug.com>] *On >>>> Behalf Of *Jason McKemie >>>> *Sent:* Monday, February 24, 2020 4:28 PM >>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cambium LTE >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Why are you getting rid of 3.65 Cambium in favor of LTE? >>>> >>>> On Monday, February 24, 2020, David Williamson < >>>> dwilliam...@customcomputersva.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> Will the Cambium 3.65 LTE have a completely new SM or will it use the >>>> existing 450SM's? Trying to determine if I should keep our 450SM's or just >>>> go ahead and sell them to one of our secondary market distributors along >>>> with our 450 AP's. >>>> >>>> Thanks! >>>> >>>> David Williamson >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett >>>> Sent: Monday, February 24, 2020 1:57 PM >>>> To: af@af.afmug.com >>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium LTE >>>> >>>> I think I heard next quarter for the 3.5. >>>> >>>> On 2/24/2020 1:48 PM, Jeff Broadwick - Lists wrote: >>>> > 3.5 isn’t available yet. >>>> > >>>> > I believe that 2.5 can be purchased. >>>> > >>>> > Jeff Broadwick >>>> > CTIconnect >>>> > 312-205-2519 Office >>>> > 574-220-7826 Cell >>>> > jbroadw...@cticonnect.com >>>> > >>>> >> On Feb 24, 2020, at 12:44 PM, Avatar Davis <acd...@mail.harvard.edu> >>>> wrote: >>>> >> >>>> >> Does anyone have experience with Cambium LTE? 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