Is the range equivalent?

From: Kurt Fankhauser 
Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2020 9:59 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] .6 KM shot with 1G Full Duplex

for $5,000 the Aviat 80ghz solution is actually cheaper than AF24HD and 10x the 
throughput! 

On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 10:36 AM Mathew Howard <mhoward...@gmail.com> wrote:

  Good to know. That's an incredibly good deal... definitely what I'd go with. 
You'll probably be paying at least that for a 1Gbps link from any of the other 
manufacturers.


  On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 9:20 AM Darin Steffl <darin.ste...@mnwifi.com> wrote:

    Yes I ran into the same thing with the web store showing a higher cost. 

    Just reach out to Ken and he'll quote you the pricing I'm talking about. 

    On Wed, Feb 26, 2020, 9:05 AM Josh Baird <joshba...@gmail.com> wrote:

      It may be WISPA member pricing.

      On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 10:02 AM Mathew Howard <mhoward...@gmail.com> 
wrote:

        Is there some kind of special pricing or something? I logged into my 
Aviat account, and it's looking more like $7k for a link to me.


        On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 8:05 AM Josh Baird <joshba...@gmail.com> wrote:

          Yes - this is the WTM4800.

          On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 8:53 AM Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote:

            That is an insane value proposition over the AF24HD. 

            Which specific radio, the 10G single band 4800?




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            From: "Darin Steffl" <darin.ste...@mnwifi.com>
            To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <af@af.afmug.com>
            Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2020 9:29:10 PM
            Subject: Re: [AFMUG] .6 KM shot with 1G Full Duplex


            The best deal right now is Aviat 10Gbps full duplex for about $5k 
with dishes and everything. 

            On Tue, Feb 25, 2020, 8:24 PM Sean Heskett <af...@zirkel.us> wrote:

              Good choice Lewis!

              We have a dozen of them and they are rock solid and fast!  Been 
really amazed during rain events (heavy mountain downpours) that they keep on 
keepin on!!

              -Sean


              On Tue, Feb 25, 2020 at 6:27 PM Lewis Bergman 
<lewis.berg...@gmail.com> wrote:

                Thanks everyone. I think we'll give the 80G Siklu a shot.

                On Mon, Feb 24, 2020 at 12:00 PM Mathew Howard 
<mhoward...@gmail.com> wrote:

                  At that distance, rain fade shouldn't be a problem with 
60ghz, so it really comes down to hardware reliability, and budget, and 
specific requirements. 


                  If the project isn't cost sensitive, and you want the best 
you can get, then just go with 80ghz... there basically is no cheap junk for 
that band, so just pick your favorite vendor and buy what they have. 

                  If you do want to go cheap, then there are a few things to 
consider. Ignitenet an Ubiquiti (although I don't think their radios are 
actually shipping yet), have an extra channel at the top end of the band that 
can get a bit better range, which the Mikrotiks can't (legally) use... but 
that's not really going to make a lot of difference at that distance anyway. 
Ignitenet is the only one with an SFP port, if that matters, and they also have 
a radio that's capable of 2.5gbps, instead of only 1gpbs... they're also the 
most expensive of the cheap options. Mikrotik uses a beam forming antenna, so 
they're about 100000x easier to aim then the Ignitenets (I believe Ubiquiti 
does as well, but I haven't used their radios yet). 


                  None of the cheap 60ghz radios are true full duplex radios, 
but I think they're all capable of delivering a full gig in each direction at 
the same time.

                  If you don't want cheap, but don't want to deal with 80ghz 
licensing (which is pretty cheap and simple, but it is another thing that has 
to be done), then Siklu 60ghz would probably be a good option. Or you could 
just stick with AF24HD, which will certainly do the job, but considering what 
they cost, it makes more sense to me to just go with 80ghz at that distance. 
You could also go with Mimosa B24 for 24ghz, but they're half duplex radios, 
and I don't think that they can handle a full 2gbps aggregate.



                  On Mon, Feb 24, 2020 at 11:09 AM dave <dmilho...@wletc.com> 
wrote:

                    I guess it depends on the 9s you want. 
                    Cheaper is not always better for consistency. 





                    On 2/24/20 8:36 AM, Josh Baird wrote:

                      No way I would consider AF24HD for this.  You can get 
80ghz links for less that do MUCH more throughput (10Gbps). 

                      Vendors in this space include Bridgewave, Siklu and 
Aviat.  Aviat probably gives you the best bang for your buck.  Cambium has a 
new mmWave product, but I don't know anything about it.


                      Josh

                      On Mon, Feb 24, 2020 at 9:31 AM dave 
<dmilho...@wletc.com> wrote:

                        Not sure which product mentioned but the PTP550 
unlicensed will take all of your 5g spectrum and
                        there is the ptp850E




                        On 2/24/20 8:27 AM, Lewis Bergman wrote:

                          What are the current recommendations for something 
like this. I see Cambium has something that looks like it will work but their 
product selector returns no matches . 

                          Ubiquiti has the 24HD.

                          Anything else I should be aware of?
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