: Re: [AFMUG] Propane and Low temps
Chuck, what model is this better charger with telemetry?
On Wed, Dec 11, 2024 at 11:18 PM ch...@go-mtc.com wrote:
Dead generator start batteries used to be the bane of my existence. I
started routing them indoors where they were in a temperature controlled
:13 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>
> So is the problem ice or liquified propane in the hose and regulator?
>
> Or insuffient vapor pressure in the cold tank? Noting that vaporization
> will make the tank contents even colder.
>
> Original Message
> From: "Robert"
> Se
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> Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2024 6:00 PM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Propane and Low temps
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> As long as there isn’t water in the diesel tank it doesn’t grow algae, and
> the algicide itself isn’t expensive. The generator has a ja
https://www.documentation.emersonprocess.com/intradoc-cgi/groups/public/documents/bulletins/d4500147t012.pdf
From: AF On Behalf Of ch...@go-mtc.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2024 10:17 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Propane and Low temps
Dead generator
on behalf of Mark Radabaugh
Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2024 6:00 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Propane and Low temps
As long as there isn’t water in the diesel tank it doesn’t grow algae, and the
algicide itself isn’t expensive. The generator has a jacket
2024 12:34 PM
>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <>
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Propane and Low temps
>>
>> Because when it's -10F diesel doesn't have issues?
>>
>> On Mon, Dec 9, 2024 at 11:42 AM Mark Radabaugh > wrote:
>>> L
“There's also risk of theft with Diesel to worry about. “ That is a huge
reason for no diesel generators at unattended sites.
From: Chris Fabien
Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2024 4:57 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Propane and Low temps
If it's a larg
h algaecide? Or do you have to do something to clean out the
> tank?
>
> -Adam
>
>
> --
> *From:* AF on behalf of Ken Hohhof <
> khoh...@kwom.com>
> *Sent:* Monday, December 9, 2024 4:44 PM
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
arm Microwave Users Group'
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Propane and Low temps
I didn’t think about the possibility of a buried fuel tank. I know the
generator is inside the prefab concrete building, with an equipment side and a
generator side separated by a firewall. I haven’t been inside, I j
: AF On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Monday, December 9, 2024 1:47 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Propane and Low temps
That's my point :)
On Mon, Dec 9, 2024 at 2:46 PM mailto:ch...@go-mtc.com> >
wrote:
You have to heat it too, it will gel.
outdoor commercial Generacs sitting on top of what looks
like a black steel riser but it’s a diesel tank.
From: AF On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Monday, December 9, 2024 2:52 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Propane and Low temps
I would guess the tank is
The BLM and USFS does not like diesel generators at comm sites due to spills.
They want propane.
From: Ken Hohhof
Sent: Monday, December 9, 2024 1:40 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Propane and Low temps
Is that why I see the Verizon cellsites wit
VAC system, I’ve seen guys there doing
> something with the fuel probably Chuck’s anti-critter additive?
>
>
>
> *From:* AF *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
> *Sent:* Monday, December 9, 2024 1:47 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Propane and Lo
You have to heat it too, it will gel.
From: Josh Luthman
Sent: Monday, December 9, 2024 12:34 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Propane and Low temps
Because when it's -10F diesel doesn't have issues?
On Mon, Dec 9, 2024 at 11:42 AM Mark Radaba
That's my point :)
On Mon, Dec 9, 2024 at 2:46 PM wrote:
> You have to heat it too, it will gel.
>
>
>
> *From:* Josh Luthman
> *Sent:* Monday, December 9, 2024 12:34 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Propane and Low temps
>
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From: Mark Radabaugh
Sent: Monday, December 9, 2024 9:40 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Propane and Low temps
Looked at Propane as a backup for our data center and its 125KVA generator.
I believe I calculated
will make the tank contents even colder.
>
> Original Message
> From: "Robert"
> Sent: 12/6/2024 8:46:32 PM
> To: af@af.afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Propane and Low temps
>
>
> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B06XG9DN74/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_as
4 degrees F Wednesday night. Stay up and do your test at 3am.
From: AF On Behalf Of Nate Burke
Sent: Monday, December 9, 2024 10:52 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Propane and Low temps
I've got 2 identical propane setups ready to test, and we're slated to be a
h
ce or liquified propane in the hose and regulator?
Or insuffient vapor pressure in the cold tank? Noting that
vaporization will make the tank contents even colder.
Original Message
From: "Robert"
Sent: 12/6/2024 8:46:32 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Pro
<mailto:ch...@go-mtc.com> wrote:
>>>>> So if you had a hydrolyzer and compressor, you could make and store your
>>>>> own hydrogen.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> From: Carl Peterson <>
>>
will make the tank contents even colder. Original Message From: "Robert" Sent: 12/6/2024 8:46:32 PMTo: af@af.afmug.comSubject: Re: [AFMUG] Propane and Low temps
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Peterson
Sent: Friday, December 6, 2024 3:28
PM
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Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Propane and Low
had a hydrolyzer and compressor, you could make and
store your own hydrogen.
*From:* Carl Peterson
*Sent:* Friday, December 6, 2024 3:28 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Propane and Low temps
/"For reference, this past year I’ve been char
eterson
> *Sent:* Friday, December 6, 2024 3:28 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Propane and Low temps
>
> *"For reference, this past year I’ve been charged $4.90/gal and $1.15/lb
> at two different local places to refill 20 and 30 lb portabl
and store
your own hydrogen.
*From:* Carl Peterson
*Sent:* Friday, December 6, 2024 3:28 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Propane and Low temps
/"For reference, this past year I’ve been charged $4.90/gal and
$1.15/lb at two different local places to refill 2
So if you had a hydrolyzer and compressor, you could make and store your own
hydrogen.
From: Carl Peterson
Sent: Friday, December 6, 2024 3:28 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Propane and Low temps
"For reference, this past year I’ve been charged $4.90/ga
*"For reference, this past year I’ve been charged $4.90/gal and $1.15/lb at
two different local places to refill 20 and 30 lb portable tanks."*
That is like quoting the cost of electricity based on what it costs at a DC
fast charger. Has more to do with delivery costs to move it into your tank
th
When I was a kid, the bigger the cotton the better.
From: Ken Hohhof
Sent: Friday, December 6, 2024 12:04 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Propane and Low temps
“Play with”? Did you make big bavovna?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bavovna
ve so much of it. I'd pay double the
>>> market rate for propane to get that (but I won't tell the fuel company
>>> that).
>>>
>>> And yes, to Ken, this would only make sense for a permanently installed
>>> standby generator, and one where the prop
t
*Sent:* Thursday, December 5, 2024 2:49 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Propane and Low temps
That's a really good idea, just outsource the whole problem
to someone else, assuming that someone else will be able to
“Play with”? Did you make big bavovna?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bavovna
From: AF On Behalf Of ch...@go-mtc.com
Sent: Friday, December 6, 2024 12:43 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Propane and Low temps
It is feasible. If you have a bottom tap or
ubject: Re: [AFMUG] Propane and Low temps
Another advantage of having a big tank I suppose might be refilling your own
portable tanks. Or is that not feasible, or unsafe, or prohibited?
I hate exchange tanks, it’s like renting bowling shoes. But there are a
limited number of places that w
I think they are just checking. There has not been much of a bill.
From: Josh Luthman
Sent: Friday, December 6, 2024 11:26 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Propane and Low temps
Our main/only CO we have two 100 lb tanks and a 22kw Cummins. It tests twice a
in a
rural area. Compared to driving to the nearest gas station to fill up a gas
can or two.
From: AF On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Friday, December 6, 2024 12:27 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Propane and Low temps
Our main/only CO we have two 100 lb
lar panels. Not worried too much about
> a power outage.
>
>
>
> *From:* Adam Moffett
> *Sent:* Friday, December 6, 2024 10:19 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Propane and Low temps
>
> $3.60/gal is similar to the current price of gas
, 2024 10:19 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Propane and Low temps
$3.60/gal is similar to the current price of gasoline, so that jives with what
I remembered from the past at 2-something per gallon.
I'll stick to what I said, $3.60/gal + a couple of little fees is
utage, I could just call them to get it refilled and not have to tie up our
own labor swapping tanks.
-Adam
From: AF on behalf of Zach Underwood
Sent: Thursday, December 5, 2024 5:40 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Propane and Low
d only make sense for a permanently installed
>> standby generator, and one where the propane truck can get to it.
>>
>> -Adam
>>
>>
>> --
>> *From:* AF on behalf of Mike Hammett <
>> af...@ics-il.net>
>> *Sent:*
.
From: AF On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Friday, December 6, 2024 8:45 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Propane and Low temps
We have a local propane user's group who negotiated a deal for a fixed markup
above wholesale for our area. Locally, MSRP on propane is running about
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*From: *"Adam Moffett"
*To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"
*Sent: *Thursday, December 5, 2024
You probably don't have to heat the tank, but just the feed line from
the tank to the genny. Run it underground for added protection.
bp
On 12/6/2024 6:09 AM, Chris Fabien wrote:
You can get tank heater blankets which might help keep your portable
unit running although will increase overall
You can get tank heater blankets which might help keep your portable unit
running although will increase overall fuel usage.
We ran into the same issue when we were considering multiple 125gal tanks
to run a 50kw gas generator. The site didn't have room for a large tank but
125gal are allowed to be
generator, and one where the propane truck can get to it.
>
> -Adam
>
>
> --
> *From:* AF on behalf of Mike Hammett <
> af...@ics-il.net>
> *Sent:* Thursday, December 5, 2024 2:49 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subj
se for a permanently installed standby
generator, and one where the propane truck can get to it.
-Adam
From: AF on behalf of Mike Hammett
Sent: Thursday, December 5, 2024 2:49 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Propane and Low temps
That&
e tank appropriately for the vaporization in cold weather.
>
> You can't do that if the gas truck can't drive up to the site, but as long
> as that's not an issue then it would behoove you to call around and see
> what you can get from a local gas company.
>
> -Adam
&g
I don’t think that’s going to work for a tower or farm site where you have to
bring out a portable generator.
From: AF On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Thursday, December 5, 2024 1:50 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Propane and Low temps
That's a really
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Propane and Low temps
I don’t think that’s going to work for a tower or farm site where you have to
bring out a portable generator.
From: AF On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Thursday, December 5, 2024 1:50 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
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From: "Adam Moffett"
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"
Sent: Thursday, December 5, 2024 11:20:51 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Propane and Low temps
You could start it up on a warmer day to rule out a regulator, air filter,
: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Propane and Low temps
You could start it up on a warmer day to rule out a regulator, air filter, or
whatever. But yeah it certainly could be the cold.
I'm sure I've seen tank heaters somewhere, but you know the best thing I eve
From: AF on behalf of Nate Burke
Sent: Thursday, December 5, 2024 11:12 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: [AFMUG] Propane and Low temps
Many years ago, I think Chuck had posted an excellent chart showing
Propane tank sizes, and the offgas rate
-
From: Nate Burke
Sent: Thursday, December 5, 2024 9:12 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: [AFMUG] Propane and Low temps
Many years ago, I think Chuck had posted an excellent chart showing
Propane tank sizes, and the offgas rate at different temperatures, but I
can't find it an
Easily too small of a tank/too cold.
I would think if you simply warm it up it would solve that issue, but I
haven't done anything like that.
On Thu, Dec 5, 2024 at 11:14 AM Nate Burke wrote:
> Many years ago, I think Chuck had posted an excellent chart showing
> Propane tank sizes, and the off
Many years ago, I think Chuck had posted an excellent chart showing
Propane tank sizes, and the offgas rate at different temperatures, but I
can't find it anymore, and my Google results don't show what I think it was.
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