The telemetry was just some general purpose telemetry board.  Was probably a 
Netguardian from DPS telecom.  Forrest has stuff that will monitor the battery 
too.  

I think the charger was a regulated 13.6 volt 2 amp power supply.  Been many 
years since I was managing that network.  

Best Regards,
Chuck McCown

McCown Technology Corporation 
8401 N Commerce Dr
Lake Point, Utah 84074
801-250-9503 Office
435-830-4306 Cell
www.mccowntech.com
www.microtrench.pro
www.terabitnetworks.com

From: Chris Fabien 
Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2024 7:37 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Propane and Low temps

Chuck, what model is this better charger with telemetry?

On Wed, Dec 11, 2024 at 11:18 PM ch...@go-mtc.com <ch...@go-mtc.com> wrote:

  Dead generator start batteries used to be the bane of my existence.  I 
started routing them indoors where they were in a temperature controlled 
environment.  Never had a failure after doing that.  Also, the built in 
chargers were crap too.  I got some more expensive trickle chargers for them.  
And telemetry on them.  Through just the start battery telemetry alone I could 
see the weekly start and run cycle.  Check how long it ran.  Could see it 
running as the voltage would come up on the battery pretty quickly.  You could 
see the cranking etc.  


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  From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> on behalf of Mark Radabaugh 
<m...@amplex.net>
  Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2024 6:00 PM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com>
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Propane and Low temps 

  As long as there isn’t water in the diesel tank it doesn’t grow algae, and 
the algicide itself isn’t expensive.     The generator has a jacket heater to 
keep it at about 120F, and it sits on a dual wall tank.  The heat from the 
engine keeps the diesel liquid.  Once it’s running the fuel lift pump 
circulates warm fuel in the tanks.   In the 10 years it’s been here it’s never 
failed to complete its 30 minute weekly test runs due to fuel issues.   It’s 
had other issues - coolant leaks, dead heaters, dead batteries, dead chargers, 
but no fuel issues. 

  Mark




    On Dec 9, 2024, at 2:46 PM, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> 
wrote:

    That's my point :)

    On Mon, Dec 9, 2024 at 2:46 PM <ch...@go-mtc.com> wrote:

      You have to heat it too, it will gel.  



      From: Josh Luthman 
      Sent: Monday, December 9, 2024 12:34 PM
      To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
      Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Propane and Low temps

      Because when it's -10F diesel doesn't have issues?

      On Mon, Dec 9, 2024 at 11:42 AM Mark Radabaugh <m...@amplex.net> wrote:

        Looked at Propane as a backup for our data center and its 125KVA 
generator.     

        I believe I calculated needing three 1000 gallon tanks as -10F or 
something goofy like that to get enough vapor flow.   Other option was a 
propane vaporizer that burned propane to vaporize liquid.    

        Yeah, just went with a diesel base tank.

        Mark


          On Dec 7, 2024, at 12:03 AM, Chuck <ch...@go-mtc.com> wrote:

          It is the lack of sufficient vapor, and it is a thermal runaway 
situation with small tanks.

          Sent from my iPhone


            On Dec 6, 2024, at 8:13 PM, Ken Hohhof <khoh...@kwom.com> wrote:


            So is the problem ice or liquified propane in the hose and 
regulator?

            Or insuffient vapor pressure in the cold tank? Noting that 
vaporization will make the tank contents even colder.

            ---- Original Message ----
            From: "Robert" 
            Sent: 12/6/2024 8:46:32 PM
            To: af@af.afmug.com
            Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Propane and Low temps

            
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B06XG9DN74/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&th=1


            On 12/6/24 6:03 PM, TJ Trout wrote:

              What about those wires that you wrap around a pipe and it kicks 
in a bit of heat when it gets below 32 or whatever, wrap the regulator and feed 
line

              On Fri, Dec 6, 2024, 5:27?PM Robert <i...@avantwireless.com> 
wrote:

                One of my customers built a solar concentrator to break water 
down by high temps.   They could do it but separating the gasses was the bugger 
that kept them from making a successful process...  


                On 12/6/24 2:39 PM, ch...@go-mtc.com wrote:

                  So if you had a hydrolyzer and compressor, you could make and 
store your own hydrogen.



                  From: Carl Peterson 
                  Sent: Friday, December 6, 2024 3:28 PM
                  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
                  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Propane and Low temps

                  "For reference, this past year I’ve been charged $4.90/gal 
and $1.15/lb at two different local places to refill 20 and 30 lb portable 
tanks."

                  That is like quoting the cost of electricity based on what it 
costs at a DC fast charger.  Has more to do with delivery costs to move it into 
your tank than it has to do with the cost of propane which is like sub $2 a gal 
in MN right now.  


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