Looked at Propane as a backup for our data center and its 125KVA generator.    

I believe I calculated needing three 1000 gallon tanks as -10F or something 
goofy like that to get enough vapor flow.   Other option was a propane 
vaporizer that burned propane to vaporize liquid.    

Yeah, just went with a diesel base tank.

Mark

> On Dec 7, 2024, at 12:03 AM, Chuck <ch...@go-mtc.com> wrote:
> 
> It is the lack of sufficient vapor, and it is a thermal runaway situation 
> with small tanks.
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Dec 6, 2024, at 8:13 PM, Ken Hohhof <khoh...@kwom.com> wrote:
>> 
>> So is the problem ice or liquified propane in the hose and regulator?
>> 
>> Or insuffient vapor pressure in the cold tank? Noting that vaporization will 
>> make the tank contents even colder.
>> 
>> ---- Original Message ----
>> From: "Robert" 
>> Sent: 12/6/2024 8:46:32 PM
>> To: af@af.afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Propane and Low temps
>> 
>> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B06XG9DN74/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&th=1
>> 
>> On 12/6/24 6:03 PM, TJ Trout wrote:
>>> What about those wires that you wrap around a pipe and it kicks in a bit of 
>>> heat when it gets below 32 or whatever, wrap the regulator and feed line
>>> 
>>> On Fri, Dec 6, 2024, 5:27?PM Robert <i...@avantwireless.com 
>>> <mailto:i...@avantwireless.com>> wrote:
>>>> One of my customers built a solar concentrator to break water down by high 
>>>> temps.   They could do it but separating the gasses was the bugger that 
>>>> kept them from making a successful process...  
>>>> 
>>>> On 12/6/24 2:39 PM, ch...@go-mtc.com <mailto:ch...@go-mtc.com> wrote:
>>>>> So if you had a hydrolyzer and compressor, you could make and store your 
>>>>> own hydrogen.
>>>>>  
>>>>>  
>>>>>  
>>>>> From: Carl Peterson <>
>>>>> Sent: Friday, December 6, 2024 3:28 PM
>>>>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Propane and Low temps
>>>>>  
>>>>> "For reference, this past year I’ve been charged $4.90/gal and $1.15/lb 
>>>>> at two different local places to refill 20 and 30 lb portable tanks."
>>>>>  
>>>>> That is like quoting the cost of electricity based on what it costs at a 
>>>>> DC fast charger.  Has more to do with delivery costs to move it into your 
>>>>> tank than it has to do with the cost of propane which is like sub $2 a 
>>>>> gal in MN right now. 
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