Reminds me of one of my Dad's stories. He worked on HVAC controls at Cornell University. During a planned power outage they rolled out a huge diesel generator from storage to power up one of the buildings and couldn't get it to stay running. Being a former Navy Fireman (which, for historical reasons is what they called the engine room technicians) he was well aware of algae in diesel fuel and advised the electricians to check the fuel filter. Sure enough the fuel filter was clogged with that crud.
I'm not sure what your final recourse is when that's happened. Do you just keep cleaning the fuel filter while you burn off the tank and then add clean fuel with algaecide? Or do you have to do something to clean out the tank? -Adam ________________________________ From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> on behalf of Ken Hohhof <khoh...@kwom.com> Sent: Monday, December 9, 2024 4:44 PM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' <af@af.afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Propane and Low temps I didn’t think about the possibility of a buried fuel tank. I know the generator is inside the prefab concrete building, with an equipment side and a generator side separated by a firewall. I haven’t been inside, I just assumed the fuel tank was by the generator. I have been seeing outdoor commercial Generacs sitting on top of what looks like a black steel riser but it’s a diesel tank. From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Monday, December 9, 2024 2:52 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Propane and Low temps I would guess the tank is underground, but I really don't know. The shelters I've been in didn't have a tank inside. From what I gather from the climbers and with the rate of changing equipment out, the site owners are having the tower climbers take pictures/check the site regularly so they aren't paying for two trips. On Mon, Dec 9, 2024 at 3:41 PM Ken Hohhof <khoh...@kwom.com<mailto:khoh...@kwom.com>> wrote: Is that why I see the Verizon cellsites with a diesel generator but the fuel tank is inside the shelter? Also, in addition to having contractors come periodically and service the HVAC system, I’ve seen guys there doing something with the fuel probably Chuck’s anti-critter additive? From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Monday, December 9, 2024 1:47 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com<mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Propane and Low temps That's my point :) On Mon, Dec 9, 2024 at 2:46 PM <ch...@go-mtc.com<mailto:ch...@go-mtc.com>> wrote: You have to heat it too, it will gel. From: Josh Luthman Sent: Monday, December 9, 2024 12:34 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Propane and Low temps Because when it's -10F diesel doesn't have issues? On Mon, Dec 9, 2024 at 11:42 AM Mark Radabaugh <m...@amplex.net<mailto:m...@amplex.net>> wrote: Looked at Propane as a backup for our data center and its 125KVA generator. I believe I calculated needing three 1000 gallon tanks as -10F or something goofy like that to get enough vapor flow. Other option was a propane vaporizer that burned propane to vaporize liquid. Yeah, just went with a diesel base tank. Mark On Dec 7, 2024, at 12:03 AM, Chuck <ch...@go-mtc.com<mailto:ch...@go-mtc.com>> wrote: It is the lack of sufficient vapor, and it is a thermal runaway situation with small tanks. Sent from my iPhone On Dec 6, 2024, at 8:13 PM, Ken Hohhof <khoh...@kwom.com<mailto:khoh...@kwom.com>> wrote: So is the problem ice or liquified propane in the hose and regulator? Or insuffient vapor pressure in the cold tank? Noting that vaporization will make the tank contents even colder. ---- Original Message ---- From: "Robert" Sent: 12/6/2024 8:46:32 PM To: af@af.afmug.com<mailto:af@af.afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Propane and Low temps https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B06XG9DN74/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&th=1 On 12/6/24 6:03 PM, TJ Trout wrote: What about those wires that you wrap around a pipe and it kicks in a bit of heat when it gets below 32 or whatever, wrap the regulator and feed line On Fri, Dec 6, 2024, 5:27?PM Robert <i...@avantwireless.com<mailto:i...@avantwireless.com>> wrote: One of my customers built a solar concentrator to break water down by high temps. They could do it but separating the gasses was the bugger that kept them from making a successful process... On 12/6/24 2:39 PM, ch...@go-mtc.com<mailto:ch...@go-mtc.com> wrote: So if you had a hydrolyzer and compressor, you could make and store your own hydrogen. From: Carl Peterson Sent: Friday, December 6, 2024 3:28 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Propane and Low temps "For reference, this past year I’ve been charged $4.90/gal and $1.15/lb at two different local places to refill 20 and 30 lb portable tanks." That is like quoting the cost of electricity based on what it costs at a DC fast charger. 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