We have a local propane user's group who negotiated a deal for a fixed
markup above wholesale for our area. Locally, MSRP on propane is running
about $4.50/gallon, but our user's group rate is $2.75 That's quite a
savings when buying a few hundred gallons. Our latest fill:
*_Description_* *_Quantity_* *_Price_* *_Amount_*
Propane 258.6 $2.75/gal $711.15
Senior Citizens Disc $5.17
HazMat Fee - T $14.99
Fuel Recovery Fee-T $7.99
TOTAL NEW CHARGES $728.96
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On 12/5/2024 2:40 PM, Zach Underwood wrote:
God I wish it was $1.6 per gal.
Here is from a Delivery I got in mid October here in SC
34.3 gal x $3.60 per gal = $123.45
Hazmat fee = $13.62
Fuel Recovery fee = $7.96
34.3 gal for a total of $145.03 or $4.20 per gallon.
Only thing I have on the 100gal tank is tankless water heater and 5kw
backup generator.
We lost power for 5 days after Hurricane Helene and we ran the
generator for 18 hours a day (turned off at night) we avg about 8-10
gal of propane per day.
On Thu, Dec 5, 2024 at 5:28 PM Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote:
When I was directly involved in that it was around 2016, and it
was $2.something a gallon. I remember remarking to myself that it
was close to the gasoline price (at the time). I think the tank
was 500 gallon and they fill it to 400 or some such, I'm sure it
would have lasted a week if we needed it to. Regardless of the
price, it's worth every penny to just know the tank is always full
and that we have so much of it. I'd pay double the market rate
for propane to get that (but I won't tell the fuel company that).
And yes, to Ken, this would only make sense for a permanently
installed standby generator, and one where the propane truck can
get to it.
-Adam
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That's a really good idea, just outsource the whole problem to
someone else, assuming that someone else will be able to
accommodate where it is.
How does delivered propane compare in price to DIY?
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*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Propane and Low temps
You could start it up on a warmer day to rule out a regulator, air
filter, or whatever. But yeah it certainly could be the cold.
I'm sure I've seen tank heaters somewhere, but you know the best
thing I ever did for myself on these things was get an account
with a gas company. They supplied a massive tank at no charge.
We just pay for fuel, and they come top it up twice a year (or on
request). The first fillup was expensive because it was just a
crapload of propane, but after that it was a minimal charge twice
a year as long as the generator had only been exercising.
Obviously, it's more money if you actually had a power outage, but
you'll be buying the gas either way and it's just easier if
someone else takes care of it. And freezing won't be an issue.
If they know what they're doing they'll ask you about the fuel
consumption of the generator and size the tank appropriately for
the vaporization in cold weather.
You can't do that if the gas truck can't drive up to the site, but
as long as that's not an issue then it would behoove you to call
around and see what you can get from a local gas company.
-Adam
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*Subject:* [AFMUG] Propane and Low temps
Many years ago, I think Chuck had posted an excellent chart showing
Propane tank sizes, and the offgas rate at different temperatures,
but I
can't find it anymore, and my Google results don't show what I
think it was.
We have several 2000-2500w Champion Dual-Fuel Generators that have
been
working flawlessly for us with propane. Last night was the first
time I
think that I deployed one in Cold temperatures though. We were
about 13
degrees last night. I have it on a 30# tank, and it fired right
up, and
ran for about 5 minutes, then turned off. Fired it up again, and
it ran
for 2 hours and shut off. Propane tank was nearly full, but I'm
wondering if it was too cold for the propane. Back-of-the-napkin math
says that possibly it was. Working out some numbers based on run
times@60F, it looks like it might draw about 14kbtu/hr At 10 degrees,
it looks like a 30# tank will only do about 13kbtu/hr. Would a heater
blanket work And/or provide enough heat to offset the lower
temperatures? Or just stick with Gas for the winter. We're warming up
now, so won't be able to test until it gets cold again.
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