I would guess the tank is underground, but I really don't know.  The
shelters I've been in didn't have a tank inside.

>From what I gather from the climbers and with the rate of changing
equipment out, the site owners are having the tower climbers take
pictures/check the site regularly so they aren't paying for two trips.

On Mon, Dec 9, 2024 at 3:41 PM Ken Hohhof <khoh...@kwom.com> wrote:

> Is that why I see the Verizon cellsites with a diesel generator but the
> fuel tank is inside the shelter?  Also, in addition to having contractors
> come periodically and service the HVAC system, I’ve seen guys there doing
> something with the fuel probably Chuck’s anti-critter additive?
>
>
>
> *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
> *Sent:* Monday, December 9, 2024 1:47 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Propane and Low temps
>
>
>
> That's my point :)
>
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 9, 2024 at 2:46 PM <ch...@go-mtc.com> wrote:
>
> You have to heat it too, it will gel.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Josh Luthman
>
> *Sent:* Monday, December 9, 2024 12:34 PM
>
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Propane and Low temps
>
>
>
> Because when it's -10F diesel doesn't have issues?
>
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 9, 2024 at 11:42 AM Mark Radabaugh <m...@amplex.net> wrote:
>
> Looked at Propane as a backup for our data center and its 125KVA
> generator.
>
>
>
> I believe I calculated needing three 1000 gallon tanks as -10F or
> something goofy like that to get enough vapor flow.   Other option was a
> propane vaporizer that burned propane to vaporize liquid.
>
>
>
> Yeah, just went with a diesel base tank.
>
>
>
> Mark
>
>
>
> On Dec 7, 2024, at 12:03 AM, Chuck <ch...@go-mtc.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> It is the lack of sufficient vapor, and it is a thermal runaway situation
> with small tanks.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
>
> On Dec 6, 2024, at 8:13 PM, Ken Hohhof <khoh...@kwom.com> wrote:
>
> So is the problem ice or liquified propane in the hose and regulator?
>
> Or insuffient vapor pressure in the cold tank? Noting that vaporization
> will make the tank contents even colder.
>
> ---- Original Message ----
> From: "Robert"
> Sent: 12/6/2024 8:46:32 PM
> To: af@af.afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Propane and Low temps
>
>
> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B06XG9DN74/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&th=1
>
> On 12/6/24 6:03 PM, TJ Trout wrote:
>
> What about those wires that you wrap around a pipe and it kicks in a bit
> of heat when it gets below 32 or whatever, wrap the regulator and feed line
>
>
>
> On Fri, Dec 6, 2024, 5:27?PM Robert <i...@avantwireless.com> wrote:
>
> One of my customers built a solar concentrator to break water down by high
> temps.   They could do it but separating the gasses was the bugger that
> kept them from making a successful process...
>
> On 12/6/24 2:39 PM, ch...@go-mtc.com wrote:
>
> So if you had a hydrolyzer and compressor, you could make and store your
> own hydrogen.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Carl Peterson
>
> *Sent:* Friday, December 6, 2024 3:28 PM
>
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Propane and Low temps
>
>
>
> *"**For reference, this past year I’ve been charged $4.90/gal and
> $1.15/lb at two different local places to refill 20 and 30 lb portable
> tanks."*
>
>
>
> That is like quoting the cost of electricity based on what it costs at a
> DC fast charger.  Has more to do with delivery costs to move it into your
> tank than it has to do with the cost of propane which is like sub $2 a gal
> in MN right now.
>
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