I was curious what the fuel recovery fee and hazmat fee were, so I looked it up
online. Neither was what I thought.
Fuel recovery fee is to help cover the cost of fuel for their delivery trucks.
Hazmat fee is to cover costs related to government paperwork, safety training,
etc.
From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Friday, December 6, 2024 8:45 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Propane and Low temps
We have a local propane user's group who negotiated a deal for a fixed markup
above wholesale for our area. Locally, MSRP on propane is running about
$4.50/gallon, but our user's group rate is $2.75 That's quite a savings when
buying a few hundred gallons. Our latest fill:
Description Quantity Price Amount
Propane 258.6 $2.75/gal
$711.15
Senior Citizens Disc
$5.17
HazMat Fee - T
$14.99
Fuel Recovery Fee-T
$7.99
TOTAL NEW CHARGES $728.96
bp
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On 12/5/2024 2:40 PM, Zach Underwood wrote:
God I wish it was $1.6 per gal.
Here is from a Delivery I got in mid October here in SC
34.3 gal x $3.60 per gal = $123.45
Hazmat fee = $13.62
Fuel Recovery fee = $7.96
34.3 gal for a total of $145.03 or $4.20 per gallon.
Only thing I have on the 100gal tank is tankless water heater and 5kw backup
generator.
We lost power for 5 days after Hurricane Helene and we ran the generator for 18
hours a day (turned off at night) we avg about 8-10 gal of propane per day.
On Thu, Dec 5, 2024 at 5:28 PM Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com
<mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com> > wrote:
When I was directly involved in that it was around 2016, and it was
$2.something a gallon. I remember remarking to myself that it was close to the
gasoline price (at the time). I think the tank was 500 gallon and they fill it
to 400 or some such, I'm sure it would have lasted a week if we needed it to.
Regardless of the price, it's worth every penny to just know the tank is always
full and that we have so much of it. I'd pay double the market rate for
propane to get that (but I won't tell the fuel company that).
And yes, to Ken, this would only make sense for a permanently installed standby
generator, and one where the propane truck can get to it.
-Adam
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That's a really good idea, just outsource the whole problem to someone else,
assuming that someone else will be able to accommodate where it is.
How does delivered propane compare in price to DIY?
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Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Propane and Low temps
You could start it up on a warmer day to rule out a regulator, air filter, or
whatever. But yeah it certainly could be the cold.
I'm sure I've seen tank heaters somewhere, but you know the best thing I ever
did for myself on these things was get an account with a gas company. They
supplied a massive tank at no charge. We just pay for fuel, and they come top
it up twice a year (or on request). The first fillup was expensive because it
was just a crapload of propane, but after that it was a minimal charge twice a
year as long as the generator had only been exercising. Obviously, it's more
money if you actually had a power outage, but you'll be buying the gas either
way and it's just easier if someone else takes care of it. And freezing won't
be an issue. If they know what they're doing they'll ask you about the fuel
consumption of the generator and size the tank appropriately for the
vaporization in cold weather.
You can't do that if the gas truck can't drive up to the site, but as long as
that's not an issue then it would behoove you to call around and see what you
can get from a local gas company.
-Adam
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Subject: [AFMUG] Propane and Low temps
Many years ago, I think Chuck had posted an excellent chart showing
Propane tank sizes, and the offgas rate at different temperatures, but I
can't find it anymore, and my Google results don't show what I think it was.
We have several 2000-2500w Champion Dual-Fuel Generators that have been
working flawlessly for us with propane. Last night was the first time I
think that I deployed one in Cold temperatures though. We were about 13
degrees last night. I have it on a 30# tank, and it fired right up, and
ran for about 5 minutes, then turned off. Fired it up again, and it ran
for 2 hours and shut off. Propane tank was nearly full, but I'm
wondering if it was too cold for the propane. Back-of-the-napkin math
says that possibly it was. Working out some numbers based on run
times@60F, it looks like it might draw about 14kbtu/hr At 10 degrees,
it looks like a 30# tank will only do about 13kbtu/hr. Would a heater
blanket work And/or provide enough heat to offset the lower
temperatures? Or just stick with Gas for the winter. We're warming up
now, so won't be able to test until it gets cold again.
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