You really don't have to expend any effort to keep me away from California.
On Fri, Dec 6, 2024 at 2:29 PM Bill Prince <part15...@gmail.com> wrote:
> We print those prices to scare y'all away.
>
>
> bp
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> On 12/6/2024 9:16 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>
> That's very much a California price.
>
> On Fri, Dec 6, 2024 at 9:46 AM Bill Prince <part15...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> We have a local propane user's group who negotiated a deal for a fixed
>> markup above wholesale for our area. Locally, MSRP on propane is running
>> about $4.50/gallon, but our user's group rate is $2.75 That's quite a
>> savings when buying a few hundred gallons. Our latest fill:
>>
>>
>> *Description* *Quantity* *Price*
>> *Amount*
>>
>> Propane 258.6 $2.75/gal
>> $711.15
>> Senior Citizens Disc
>> $5.17
>> HazMat Fee - T
>> $14.99
>> Fuel Recovery Fee-T
>> $7.99
>>
>> TOTAL NEW CHARGES
>> $728.96
>>
>>
>> bp
>>
>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
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>> On 12/5/2024 2:40 PM, Zach Underwood wrote:
>>
>> God I wish it was $1.6 per gal.
>> Here is from a Delivery I got in mid October here in SC
>> 34.3 gal x $3.60 per gal = $123.45
>> Hazmat fee = $13.62
>> Fuel Recovery fee = $7.96
>> 34.3 gal for a total of $145.03 or $4.20 per gallon.
>> Only thing I have on the 100gal tank is tankless water heater and 5kw
>> backup generator.
>>
>> We lost power for 5 days after Hurricane Helene and we ran the generator
>> for 18 hours a day (turned off at night) we avg about 8-10 gal of propane
>> per day.
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 5, 2024 at 5:28 PM Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> When I was directly involved in that it was around 2016, and it was
>>> $2.something a gallon. I remember remarking to myself that it was close to
>>> the gasoline price (at the time). I think the tank was 500 gallon and they
>>> fill it to 400 or some such, I'm sure it would have lasted a week if we
>>> needed it to. Regardless of the price, it's worth every penny to just know
>>> the tank is always full and that we have so much of it. I'd pay double the
>>> market rate for propane to get that (but I won't tell the fuel company
>>> that).
>>>
>>> And yes, to Ken, this would only make sense for a permanently installed
>>> standby generator, and one where the propane truck can get to it.
>>>
>>> -Adam
>>>
>>>
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>>> *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> on behalf of Mike Hammett <
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>>> *Sent:* Thursday, December 5, 2024 2:49 PM
>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Propane and Low temps
>>>
>>> That's a really good idea, just outsource the whole problem to someone
>>> else, assuming that someone else will be able to accommodate where it is.
>>>
>>> How does delivered propane compare in price to DIY?
>>>
>>>
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>>> ------------------------------
>>> *From: *"Adam Moffett" <dmmoff...@gmail.com>
>>> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <af@af.afmug.com>
>>> *Sent: *Thursday, December 5, 2024 11:20:51 AM
>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Propane and Low temps
>>>
>>> You could start it up on a warmer day to rule out a regulator, air
>>> filter, or whatever. But yeah it certainly could be the cold.
>>>
>>> I'm sure I've seen tank heaters somewhere, but you know the best thing I
>>> ever did for myself on these things was get an account with a gas company.
>>> They supplied a massive tank at no charge. We just pay for fuel, and they
>>> come top it up twice a year (or on request). The first fillup was
>>> expensive because it was just a crapload of propane, but after that it was
>>> a minimal charge twice a year as long as the generator had only been
>>> exercising. Obviously, it's more money if you actually had a power outage,
>>> but you'll be buying the gas either way and it's just easier if someone
>>> else takes care of it. And freezing won't be an issue. If they know what
>>> they're doing they'll ask you about the fuel consumption of the generator
>>> and size the tank appropriately for the vaporization in cold weather.
>>>
>>> You can't do that if the gas truck can't drive up to the site, but as
>>> long as that's not an issue then it would behoove you to call around and
>>> see what you can get from a local gas company.
>>>
>>> -Adam
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>> *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> on behalf of Nate Burke <
>>> n...@blastcomm.com>
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, December 5, 2024 11:12 AM
>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com>
>>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Propane and Low temps
>>>
>>> Many years ago, I think Chuck had posted an excellent chart showing
>>> Propane tank sizes, and the offgas rate at different temperatures, but I
>>> can't find it anymore, and my Google results don't show what I think it
>>> was.
>>>
>>> We have several 2000-2500w Champion Dual-Fuel Generators that have been
>>> working flawlessly for us with propane. Last night was the first time I
>>> think that I deployed one in Cold temperatures though. We were about 13
>>> degrees last night. I have it on a 30# tank, and it fired right up, and
>>> ran for about 5 minutes, then turned off. Fired it up again, and it ran
>>> for 2 hours and shut off. Propane tank was nearly full, but I'm
>>> wondering if it was too cold for the propane. Back-of-the-napkin math
>>> says that possibly it was. Working out some numbers based on run
>>> times@60F, it looks like it might draw about 14kbtu/hr At 10 degrees,
>>> it looks like a 30# tank will only do about 13kbtu/hr. Would a heater
>>> blanket work And/or provide enough heat to offset the lower
>>> temperatures? Or just stick with Gas for the winter. We're warming up
>>> now, so won't be able to test until it gets cold again.
>>>
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